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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:45 am

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"The bone was found on a beach near the Caribbean resort island's Phoenix Hotel, close to the Bubali swamp, the paper said.

Among his explanations, Van der Sloot has claimed that Holloway accidentally fell from a balcony and that he disposed of her body in a swamp. "
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Post by Piper on Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:40 pm

Dutch Officials 'Almost Certainly Know' Whether Jaw Bone Belongs to Natalee Holloway
Forensics Teams in the Netherlands Have Had Holloways' Dental Records for Days


Nov. 19, 2010

The Dutch forensics team charged with examining a jaw bone that washed up on an Aruban beach has had Natalee Holloway's dental records in hand since Tuesday, more than enough time to make a comparison, a source close to the family said today.



"There are mixed signals," the source said. "If it wasn't her I'd think they'd come out and say it wasn't her with all the fanfare."

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Post by KariBear on Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:50 pm

I'm so hoping for closure for the family. I realize that they may never find all of her remains but this at least is something. I just hope the authorities will admit it's Natalee's. I kinda have my doubts. jmo

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:58 pm

I think they knew immediatley ... (with dental records)... I suspect it is Natalee and they need to get their investigative pros on it... before releasing the info...

They also prolly have to arrange for the beath to be searched ..

I thinbk it they released that it was her, before putting things into place, it cud cause integrity problems with the scene and with the MONSTER...

I pray that Natalee's cries for Justice, were finally heard from the beach..


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Post by Estee on Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:49 pm

And to think that Joran laughed when he heard that a jawbone had been found really sickens me...Was it a nervous laugh or a funny ha ha laugh...either one is definately unacceptable...
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Post by Julie on Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:59 pm

Tish, I was just thinking the same thing.

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Post by khintx on Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:20 pm

Aruba is notorious for dropping the ball......... I hope they don't do that on this. kh
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Post by LottieM on Sat Nov 20, 2010 11:22 pm

Can somebody tell me why they need Nat's dental records if they can extract DNA from the pulp of the tooth that is still in tact with the jawbone?
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Post by Julie on Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:03 am

Lottie, I think it's because a DNA test takes much longer. By looking at her dental records for just that one tooth, they can pretty much tell right away if it's not her, the size, any fillings, the position, etc. Since we haven't heard that it's not her, the one tooth must have been a match to her dental records, or a dental x-ray. Now they have to do the DNA test on it to confirm it.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:46 am

On account that we kjnow there was a tooth and that Nats dentaql rental records were readily available.. it suggests to me that the tooth comparison was a match .. I suspect the Holloways known already and the dna is just foolproof (as i believe the tooth is also) ..

On account that they have availability to do the dna, it wud be irresponsible to not comlete the test..

I believe whole heartedly that the tooth was an exact match.. anxd the Holloways .. are just waiting thru motions..
I personally Natalees been found, as the tooth comparison wud have been able to rule Nat out in one glance.. jmo...

God Bless the family .. I believe ths search is over..

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Post by Piper on Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:22 am

I feel the tooth was a match or else they would have already dismissed it. I understand they are doing mitochondrial DNA testing, it's extensive and takes time. I hope the family can finally know what happened to Natalee.
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Post by Maat on Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:53 am

The movie is on right now.
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Post by LCoastMom on Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:19 pm

khintx wrote:Aruba is notorious for dropping the ball......... I hope they don't do that on this. kh

ITA - Just a guess but I doubt our FBI will (respectfully) let them - we heard Aruba was cooperating with the FBI on the sting this spring - so that's a good sign.

Such a horrific incident and Aruba came out looking soooo bad, I hope they can now find the rest of the remains and "boyo" can rot in that heinous Peru prison until someone takes him out. Personally I hope he rots for a long, long time - with the knowledge he is on borrowed time, til he dies.
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Post by Justice4all on Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:39 pm

Test results on found Aruba bone to be released Tuesday

By the CNN Wire Staff
November 22, 2010 12:37 p.m. EST

Nancy Grace has an exclusive interview with the tourist who found the human jawbone at an Aruba beach hotel. Watch "Nancy Grace" for the latest in the investigation at 8 and 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Oranjestad, Aruba (CNN) -- Aruban prosecutors plan to release Tuesday the results of tests conducted on a jawbone found on an island beach and disclose whether it belongs to missing teenager Natalee Holloway, officials said.

The tests, conducted at the Netherlands Forensic Institute in The Hague, Netherlands, were to first determine whether the bone is that of a human or that of an animal. If the bone is human, authorities said, they would attempt to determine through DNA testing whether it belonged to Holloway. The Alabama 18-year-old was last seen on the island in 2005.

Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said prosecutors will issue a statement Tuesday with test results.

Holloway's dental records were sent to the forensic institute last week, according to the FBI.


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Post by Piper on Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:38 am

What happened to NG last night?? My visiting sister and I sat down to watch the exclusive interview with the couple and she had a stand in, it was all about the possible 2nd bone that was found.
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Post by KariBear on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:10 am

Piper wrote:What happened to NG last night?? My visiting sister and I sat down to watch the exclusive interview with the couple and she had a stand in, it was all about the possible 2nd bone that was found.

2nd bone? I hadn't heard that. Piper, was there a story on that? I've been checking out various news sites and so far I haven't seen anything on the announcement.

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Post by LCoastMom on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:39 am

She's waiting for a bigger audience. With the announcement of Natalee's remains due any minute - as usual (of late) NG is all about the ratings.... Sleep

The second bone was found first and left on a hotel balcony - by a family from the US. (they thought it was an animal bone) when they heard about the jaw bone they called the hotel and the bone was delivered to LE.

I don't remember where I read this last night but I'll find a link for you, it's here (in history) somewhere.
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Post by KariBear on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:44 am

Thanks LCMom! I appreciaste it.

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Post by Gracie on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:44 am

The jaw bone is not Natalee's. Breaking news on Fox.
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Post by Gracie on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:46 am

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/23/aruba-prosecutors-jawbone-does-belong-missing-teen-natalee-holloway/

Aruba Prosecutors: Jawbone Found Does Not Belong to Missing Teen Natalee Holloway
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Post by KariBear on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:52 am

Not alot to the article. It doesn't mention additional bone either. Hmmm...


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Post by LCoastMom on Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:59 am

The New York Post just released this finding:

The bone found on the beach is not Natalee Holloway

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/officials_say_jawbone_38UxMvR7gotgVTZEoYLPbP

Which begs the answer - WHOSE DAUGHTER IS IT???


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Post by Gracie on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:14 pm

Very good question LCoast Mom: Whose daughter is it? How many has Van der Sloot murdered?
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Post by LCoastMom on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:22 pm

This release of the information - not finding Natalee makes me sadder than if it had been. I wish the Holloway's and Twitty's had gotten the closure they so badly deserve...
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Post by KariBear on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:27 pm

Grace, I've been wondering the very same thing. I think there may be quite a few.

LCMom, me too! I was so hoping they'd finally get some sort of closure.

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Post by LCoastMom on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:59 pm

Last summer I read a report that documented several girls who have disappeared in the area over several years - IIRC beginning before VDSnot hit his prime -

I have no idea where I read it - it wasn't reverent at the time - to the Holloway case except as added info to the lack of LE doing anything productive to stop it.

The more I think about it, it may have been the Dutch journalist who had done the expose.

I do NOT believe Natalee was his first victim - he was too smooth about it at the time - little psychopath had done it before - I also do not believe Stephanie was his second.

I did some writing/investigating last year; this is what I know he did after leaving college in the Netherlands - In 2008, he moved on, this time to Muang Ake, a suburb of Bangkok, Thailand, to study business at Rangsit University. Then, no longer choosing to be a student, he dropped out and bought a small cafe near the campus. In August of 2009, calling himself a "professional poker player" he joined the Asia Pacific Poker tour. He returned to Aruba after his father's death, in February 2010.

Girls no one misses are all over that area. Also, Aruba never looked into any evidence of his criminal activity - the tape "talking with Paulus" believed to be a fake, but never verified. The remote possibility that Natalee was sold into slavery - never verified. Aruba FAILED Natalee and her family on every level.

I hope the new findings are verified by an outside source.
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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:05 pm

How disappointing... wishful thinking, high hopes were just not enough..

More prayers for Beth and Dave.....

RIP Natalee!

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Post by Piper on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:26 pm

This is sad, I was so hoping it was Natalee. The first thing I thought was that "If not her, then who does this belong too? Is no one else looking for a young girl?"

I think Van Der Sloot's own mother was afraid of him, she knew what he was capable of.
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Post by LCoastMom on Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:57 pm

I've been looking for the report re: Girls Missing from Aruba and came across this - supposed to be a statement vdStoop gave to police during the investigation - you know the one where everything he said was ruled inadmissible?

” I know what you think, you think that Natalee is dead and me and my father disposed of the body! I dont know where she is buried!”

I/B - emphasis by me - wouldn't this just tickle our statement analysis friends? Wait; who said she was buried? Oh yeah vdS did!

I agree Piper - she said she was trying to get him institutionalized when he bailed to Peru. IMO - too little, too late. I would feel for them, if they were not involved in the cover up. Paulus died, taking his secrets to the grave - but the answers are out there - Aruba has it all in the circular file marked "A countries shame".
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Post by khintx on Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:06 pm

Piper wrote:This is sad, I was so hoping it was Natalee. The first thing I thought was that "If not her, then who does this belong too? Is no one else looking for a young girl?"

I think Van Der Sloot's own mother was afraid of him, she knew what he was capable of.
A sad day for the Holloways. Makes me wonder just how many unidentified jaw bones there are floating around down there Aruba? Paulis was key to Joran's successful avoidance of criminal charges and the obstruction too (just my opinion) Joran could not have pulled this off with daddy. And daddy is dead. I don't know what to think of Anita, but I can see her being scared of Joran. Scared and alone. I don't thin she covered stuff up, though. I think that was all the dynamic duo: Paulis and Joran. Jury is still out on the cowpoo brothers. I tend to think they were badly used. Not that they were pillars of society or anything, just ill used by Vandersloot Jr and Sr.

I hope one day the Holloways will know. I really do.

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Post by LCoastMom on Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:07 pm

kh,

While I don't know of her involvement on the night Natalee disappeared - I believe she was part of the coverup, after the fact - she was along for the ride in media interviews, slinging barbs at the Holloway's for picking on her little boy!

How would she have reacted to her child disappearing, after being seen in a car and night club, then never seen again? How would she feel if the last person known to be with her child sold multiple stories, about the time he spent with her child? How about, said person confessing - reneging and confessing again, to slightly different accounts each time?

Anita blamed the Holloway's!

It is believed that Paulus was seen on the beach - with a wet, muddy Joran, (by the swamp) early in the morning after Natalee was last seen. It is believed that Paulus told the boys; "No body, no conviction." It is also believed that Paulus paid for officials not to investigate or reveal findings of their investigation. I have a hard time believing she knows nothing about these activities...

Through it all the VdS's supported their boy, together. Once Paulus passed away, suddenly JvdS is a sick boy, in need of being institutionalized against his will. When the information hit the news about Stephany's murder - Mama vdS says she cannot "embrace her son, she would not go to him, in Peru" - he must face the music on his own!

Nice Mama...

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Post by KariBear on Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:23 am

Would it be possible for Natalee's parents to have that bone tested on their own. With the way Aruba failed to handle this I think were it me I'd insist on having my own DNA testing done. jmo

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Post by Julie on Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:33 am

I read in one of the new links that the second bone found, they do not believe it is a human bone:

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"Police have collected a second bone that was found on the same Aruba beach by tourists from New Jersey. The tourists reportedly found the bone earlier this month, but did not think the find was significant until they heard media reports about the jawbone. After receiving information about the discovery, authorities in Aruba recovered the bone earlier today. Forensic experts are examining it, but they do not believe it is human, CNN reported."

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Post by khintx on Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:37 am

LCoastmom~ You could very be right about the 'after the fact' stuff, but I don't think Anita had a clue when it happened. Of course, she thought it was perfectly normal/fine for her 17 y/o son to drive around, drink, party, and gamble -- she thought Joran was "just a normal kid" and I don't think he has been normal for a very long time.

KariB~ I'll try to find the article I read today, but the Holloways are very upset, and understandably so, that the only notification they received was the media announcement just like everybody else.

Also, the Arubans are saying the tooth in the jaw bone was a wisdom tooth and Natalee had had her wisdom teeth removed........ so why did it take them all that time to make an announcement? And why do DNA at all if they knew it wasn't Natalee's? This case is just heartbreaking. And I still don't trust the Arubans. kh
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Post by KariBear on Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:59 am

khintx wrote:
Also, the Arubans are saying the tooth in the jaw bone was a wisdom tooth and Natalee had had her wisdom teeth removed........ so why did it take them all that time to make an announcement? And why do DNA at all if they knew it wasn't Natalee's? This case is just heartbreaking. And I still don't trust the Arubans. kh

Right on kh! I don't trust them either. Thanks for the article. And yes quite heartbreaking!

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:34 pm

KH said..

" Also, the Arubans are saying the tooth in the jaw bone was a wisdom tooth and Natalee had had her wisdom teeth removed........ so why did it take them all that time to make an announcement? And why do DNA at all if they knew it wasn't Natalee's? This case is just heartbreaking. And I still don't trust the Arubans. kh"

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I didnt read that, thanks for the info...I found some comfort in it..I will believe that Beth and Dave knew the first day, that the chances of it belonging to Natalee were slim to none.. I am pretty sure that they knew pretty close to immediatley that it was not their beloved daughter..

It makes me sick to know that Joran was prolly laughing while watching this on the news ....

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Post by LCoastMom on Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:53 am

Aruba's attorney general, Taco Stein, told The Associated Press that officials do not know how old the bone is or where it might have come from.

"It's anybody's guess," he said. "We're a small island."

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/new...&lang=eng_news

Huh?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/23/...ex.html?hpt=T2

"Beth accepts the forensic conclusions, is emotionally exhausted from the inexplicably long wait, and deeply disappointed in the time and manner in which she learned of the results," said attorney John Q. Kelly.

I kinda think the Holloway's thought the same as a lot of people, if it wasn't Natalee, the dental records would have been a very quick and conclusive answer that didn't drag on for days - even if the public had to wait for the dna tests, the family could have been told immediately that this bone that came from a "young, Caucasian female of European decent" - had a wisdom tooth - Natalee did not.

How many bodies were left on this beach?

After five long years, you would think/hope that someone with a shred of human decency would have infiltrated the rank and file, all the way on up - and someone, anyone, could have done the right thing by Natalee's family.

Just makes me sad.
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by LottieM on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:03 am

This jawbone find was doomed to NOT be Natalee the minute the Aruba LE was handed the dental records!

They should have been made to give a full report of their findings completely blind of anything to do with Natalee!....and handed over to the FBI to compare against Natalee's records and DNA. Then the comparison could have been made and I'd have believed them.

They have been covering up anything to do with Natalee since day one...and they will keep on doing that, IMO, because I'm sure there is something really BAD they need to still hide.
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by LCoastMom on Thu Nov 25, 2010 1:58 pm

LottieM wrote:This jawbone find was doomed to NOT be Natalee the minute the Aruba LE was handed the dental records!

They should have been made to give a full report of their findings completely blind of anything to do with Natalee!....and handed over to the FBI to compare against Natalee's records and DNA. Then the comparison could have been made and I'd have believed them.

They have been covering up anything to do with Natalee since day one...and they will keep on doing that, IMO, because I'm sure there is something really BAD they need to still hide.

Thank you and well said!
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by Justice4all on Mon May 30, 2011 2:39 pm

Natalee Holloway...six years, no answers

May 30, 2011

Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) It's been six years since Natalee Holloway left an Oranjestad bar with a local boy...and vanished.

Over the course of those six years there has been aching yearning for information. Numerous false clues. Several fake confessions.

For several days, Aruban and Dutch officials thought they had a significant break in the case, but a jawbone washed up on the beach turned out to be another false trail.

While family and friends grieve and wonder what happened to the Mountain Brook teen after she walked into the night with Joran van der Sloot, there have been significant but unsatisfactory developments in the past 12 months.


Read more: http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway-six-years-no-answers/WBL5O3EdsUy7zHKmjA-0Rw.cspx
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by LCoastMom on Mon May 30, 2011 5:47 pm

Still hoping for Justice For Natalee -

I understand Joran had a light moment when hearing of the jaw bone being found on the beach and think if any remains are actually discovered he will respond much the way KC did when Caylee's remains were discovered on Suburban Dr.

Joran claiming (years ago) that Natalee wanted to see the sharks was a horrifying statement and I wondered then if that was the closest to the truth we will ever hear.
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by Justice4all on Mon May 30, 2011 10:31 pm

LCoastMom wrote:Still hoping for Justice For Natalee -

I understand Joran had a light moment when hearing of the jaw bone being found on the beach and think if any remains are actually discovered he will respond much the way KC did when Caylee's remains were discovered on Suburban Dr.

Joran claiming (years ago) that Natalee wanted to see the sharks was a horrifying statement and I wondered then if that was the closest to the truth we will ever hear.
It might be the closest to the truth that we will ever hear LCoastMom. Just like with Ms. Anthony, the truth and Joran are strangers.
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by Julie on Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:09 pm

Natalee Holloway's dad asks court to declare daughter legally "dead"

By Crimesider Staff

(CBS/AP) BIRMINGHAM, Ala. - The father of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is asking a court to declare his daughter dead, six years after she went missing during a graduation trip to Aruba.

Dave Holloway, Natalee's father, filed the request in probate court earlier this summer, but court officials said Wednesday it could be months before any decision is reached.

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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by Justice4all on Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:23 pm

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Daughter Not Dead

By COLLEEN CURRY
Sept. 22, 2011

The mother of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teen who disappeared in Aruba six years ago, will fight a petition by the girl's father to declare Natalee legally dead.

Beth Holloway will go to court Friday to challenge her ex-husband Dave Holloway's petition for presumption of death, filed in probate court in Birmingham, Ala., in June. Natalee Holloway vanished on May 30, 2005, more than six years ago, at age 17.


Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/natalee-holloways-mom-declare-daughter-dead/story?id=14583292
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Re: Natalee Holloway -- Missing 5/30/05

Post by sitemama on Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:45 pm

Maybe the bio father has an insurance policy on Natalee and he is wanting to cash in on it. Beth is not ready to accept the fact that Natalee is dead, and since there is no body, I can understand her feeling this way.

I noticed in one of the comments on that link above, one person said she was another Cindy Anthony. That is absurd! These two women are polar opposites.

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