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http://thetruthaboutthelie.blogspot.com/2009/09/verdade-da-mentira-by-goncalo-amaral.html

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:34 pm

Who did the key witness see? Police focus on Irish family's claims they saw a family carrying a child away

•Could Irish family have witnessed toddler being snatched?
•Retired businessman saw man carrying blonde child
•Thought at the time it was Gerry McCann, but proved to be elsewhere


By REBECCA CAMBER

PUBLISHED: 21:55 EST, 15 October 2013 | UPDATED: 05:13 EST, 16 October 2013


The new Crimewatch appeal focused on a claim by an Irish family that they saw a man carrying a child through Praia da Luz at around the time Madeleine McCann was found to be missing.

Two differing e-fits of the suspect were issued, and police say it is possible the family did see the three-year-old being spirited away by her abductor.

The sighting came when Martin Smith, a retired businessman in his 70s, was walking back to his apartment in the Algarve resort following a meal and drinks at a bar with his wife and children.



Key witness: Irishman Martin Smith, pictured, was in the resort with his family when Maddie disappeared

~Snipped~

Although Mr Smith admitted he was not wearing his glasses at the time he later said he thought the man could have been Gerry McCann.

This is an impossibility as dozens of witnesses confirmed he was at the holiday complex at

10pm. British police have also said they are certain that Mr McCann has nothing to do with his daughter’s appearance.

Speaking to Portuguese police a few weeks after Maddie disappeared, Mr Smith said it was ‘not possible to recognise the individual’.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462431/Madeleine-McCann-Police-say-Irish-family-seen-Maddie-taken.html#ixzz2i28ztx2n

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Gonçalo Amaral: 'It cannot be that way, because nobody knows for sure at what time the things happened. The reconstruction was not made, therefore it is impossible to know for certain. The employees do not state that Gerry McCann was in the restaurant. They only say that people were sitting down and getting up from the table. Their testimony [Smith] is very credible. The way that the person walked, the clumsy manner in which the child was held. It is nothing that sounds invented. Is it evidence? Certainly not. It is information that has to be worked further.'

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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:38 pm

"...In the course of the investigation, new details came to enrich what we knew about Madeleine. We knew that she was wanted by her parents, who had recourse to artificial insemination. ... "

" ...In the course of one of her many interviews, Kate, the mother, referred to situations where the little girl seemed to represent an inconvenience: it was difficult for her to carry out everyday household tasks and even to cook, because she often had to carry her around. It was a relief when her husband returned in the evening. If Kate was experiencing difficulties when she only had Madeleine, it can be imagined that they increased tenfold after the birth of the twins. ..."

DRUGS:
" ... The paternal grandfather stated that Kate gave the little girl - and also the twins - Calpol, a medication designed to facilitate falling asleep. That seems to be a common practice in Great Britain; they even talk about a "Calpol generation." In recent years, the possible presence of an antihistamine with sedative effects in Calpol has aroused great controversy. Recently, the same laboratory put Calpol Night on the market, whose ingredients clearly list that it contains an antihistamine.

The mother admits having taken some to Portugal.
She insists though that there is no calming effect, its being composed solely of paracetamol, and that she did not give any of it to her daughter during the holiday...."

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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:43 pm

I need to go back to read as to when the checks on Maddie were that night, and who else left the table to check their children at that time.
I am confident Maddie was NOT alive/present when the other man checked her.

Of interest, the father, Gerry, stated he entered the apt from a locked front door. Kate, however, entered from the back unlocked sliding door. Why would Gerry walk ALL the way to the front of the building when the back was open and across from the table the were drinking at? How could someone steal a child by climbing thru the window when the window faced the table Kate, Gerry and company were drinking at? And if anyone had entered the apt thru the unlocked door, they would have been seen by those at the outside tables... Anyone would have seen someone slipping in coming out the same way and carrying a child. The window is ridiculous.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:56 pm

Madeleine McCann Appeal: Parents 'Delighted' (Video)

Police sift through 1,000 responses and say two independent callers put forward the same name for the man in e-fit pictures.

9:00pm UK, Tuesday 15 October 2013

Madeleine McCann's parents have said they are "absolutely delighted" with the "overwhelming" response to a new appeal for information about her disappearance.

Police have received more than 730 calls and 212 emails following Monday night's televised reconstruction and release of previously unseen evidence. Detectives are now working through them.

Kate and Gerry McCann said they are "genuinely hopeful" that one or more of the responses would lead to a major breakthrough in the investigation.

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Viewers were shown two images of a dark-haired man, based on descriptions from two witnesses who were staying in Praia da Luz, Portugal, when the three-year-old went missing.

The sighting - which came at around the same time Mrs McCann checked on her three children - had previously been considered of less significance than an earlier, now-discounted sighting around 9.15pm.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:03 pm

GALLERY:

How Madeleine Might Have Aged




A poster released May 1, 2009 by the McCann family shows an image of what their daughter Madeleine might look like in recent years/



A likeness of Madeleine in an age progressed computer image by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP)



This image, released on 25 April 2012, shows how Madeleine might look now



This computer-generated image, released in November 2009, shows how Madeleine might look in a hotter climate

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:40 pm

MADDIE: Are police closer to breakthrough after 'overwhelming' response to Crimewatch?

POLICE investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been handed the name of a man who different people believe matches the e-fit of the child's abductor.

By: John Twomey
Published: Tue, October 15, 2013

Officers have received more than 1,000 calls and emails in response to a fresh appeal for information on BBC Crimewatch last night.

Detectives say they are "extremely pleased", while the editor of the programme said some callers had given the same name for a man spotted carrying a child towards the beach in Praia da Luz, Portugal

Crimewatch editor Joe Mather said the response to the programme had been "truly unprecedented".

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Re: Madeleine McCann -- Missing 5/3/07

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:08 am



Kate & Gerry McCann - BBC Andrew Marr Show - Feb 17th 2013

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Re: Madeleine McCann -- Missing 5/3/07

Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:03 pm

Freckles wrote:http://thetruthaboutthelie.blogspot.com/2009/09/verdade-da-mentira-by-goncalo-amaral.html

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Freckles - thank you so much for posting this!  I read it last night, and it reinforces what I believed from the beginning.  Nice to finally get inside information on what really happened in this investigation.
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Re: Madeleine McCann -- Missing 5/3/07

Post by Freckles on Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:33 am

http://www.realitychatter.com/t2181p100-madeleine-mccann-missing-5-3-07

" ... The crimes, including those of a sexual nature, are committed by the parents in 84% of cases; 96% are perpetrated by friends and relatives. In only 4% of them is the murderer or abductor a total stranger to the victim. In this roundabout way, Mark Harrison points out that the guilty party may be a person close to Madeleine, and even her own parents. ..."

THE DOGS BROUGHT IN:

"... The investigation starts in apartment 5A. The grey jeep transporting the dogs pulls into the car park in front of the building. There is hope and anxiety on people's faces. Martin Grime gets out of the car, holding Eddie on a tight leash. He takes it off and orders Eddie to sit down. Instead of obeying as would be expected of such a well-trained dog, Eddie immediately rushes into the building. He then goes to and fro between the lounge and the bedroom in an agitated manner. Martin wonders what could be making his animal so nervous and calls him back to give precise orders. An investigator is filming the entire scene. A little later, Eddie is examining the floor in the parents' bedroom, near the wardrobe, when he lets out a strident howl, indicating that he has detected a cadaver odour. The investigators have hardly recovered from their amazement, when another, equally impressive, howl startles them. This time, Eddie has picked out that same odour under the window, just behind the sofa, on one of the walls in the lounge. That evening, in apartment 5A, the investigators begin to glimpse what might have happened.... "

" ...Then it's Keela's turn to intervene. She points her muzzle at the same place where Eddie gave the alert: traces of blood are found on the tiling between the window and the sofa. Outside, Eddie barks twice: on the veranda at the back of the building and in the garden, just below it. At this place, the dog's bark is weaker and might mean "maybe, who knows....". Thus from the indications provided by Eddie, we can pinpoint the places where the body was moved around. ..."

" ... From then on, we are sure that, at a given moment, there was a body in apartment 5A..."
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Post by Freckles on Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:47 am

http://thetruthaboutthelie.blogspot.com/2009/09/chapters-15-16-17.html

THE DOGS AND THE MC CANN RENAULT CAR:

"...When he gets close to the fourth, the McCanns' Renault, he becomes agitated, raises his nose while running around, as if he is trying to locate the source of the odour he has detected. Martin tells him to stop running around and concentrate on the search. Finally, he starts to growl, bark and wanting to bite the bottom of the driver's door and the boot. The odour is coming from inside. The PJ's experts examine the vehicle for hours with the help of Keela. At dawn, traces of human blood are found in places indicated by the female dog: the key and the boot. The harvested samples are packed, then sent to a forensic laboratory in Birmingham, Great Britain.

Eddie did not hesitate for a moment. He was only interested in the McCanns' automobile. No other attracted his attention or provoked any reaction whatsoever on his part. So, why would certain people want to minimise the evidence produced by this method?

Later, I am brought the witness statement of a neighbour, according to whom, the McCanns left their car boot open all the time. For Gerry's brother-in-law, the bad smell was explained by the fact that the McCanns transported their bins in it. As for the blood, it had been left by a piece of meat fallen out of a shopping bag. Kate's cousin explained that the unpleasant smells were due to the little ones' dirty nappies.

None of that stands up to scrutiny faced with the reactions of these dogs, who are thoroughly trained to detect only blood and cadaver odours. ..."


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Post by Freckles on Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:13 pm

DNA proved 4-year-old girl not related to family she was living with


"...Further investigation turned up information that the mother in the home where Maria was living had documents stating she had given birth to six children in less than 10 months and ten of the 14 children they said were their own, are no where to be found. ..."

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/10/dna-proved-4-year-old-girl-not-related.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MissingPersonsOfAmerica+%28Missing+Persons+of+America%29
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Post by Freckles on Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:22 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4Di041fzfi4#t=49

Family wants to know what LE has... yet they complain when info is released in an attempt to find the child.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:49 pm

The reconstruction that never was *updated

15 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Marais



(Very interesting comments)

15/10/2013 08:12  
Anonymous said... [8]
Thank you so much for giving the portuguese the opportunity to watch what the BBC, SY and Mccanns do not want us to watch. I've been reading about it in Jill Havern's forum, but it's always best to watch the real thing with our own eyes.
What a badly concocted show! Unbelievable! Do they think we're stupid or don't they give a dam anymore about looking credible and giving the public a convincing story?!



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http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-reconstruction-that-never-was.html


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:09 pm

Featured Video



«Portuguese Journalist: A reconstruction. If you volunteer to do a reconstruction wouldn't that open the case?

Gerry McCann: We want to create information that will lead us to us helping find Madeleine.

Portuguese Journalist: That will help Madeleine. Don't you think so?

Gerry McCann: Well if it does then, you know, we will participate.

Portuguese Journalist: You are in Lisbon. You could take that step today. Ask for the case to be reopened and do a reconstruction with your friends.

Gerry McCann: We are going round in circles. We would be more than happy for the case to be reopened.»

Excerpt from: Exclusive Video: McCanns Press Conference, February 12, 2010

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:30 pm

A few questions on the Crimewatch reconstruction

4 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais



Sketch done by Jane Tanner, as part of her witness statement (2007.05.04), pointing to where she saw Gerry McCann chatting with Jeremy Wilkins (3), and a man that she believes to be the abductor (5)

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E – About the interest of the reconstruction

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:53 pm

Maddie: An English look

17 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais



«His trousers were beige in colour, made of cotton, possibly with buttons, and without any other decoration.» Aoife Smith statement, May 26, 2007

The English Investigation has not yet looked at the "loose ends" left by the Portuguese investigation

by Cláudia Lima da Costa

Maddie's disappearance was always looked at from two angles. The English programme 'Crimewatch' strengthened the English perspective into Madeleine's disappearance. Scotland Yard once again places at the heart of the investigation the abduction thesis. Yet, from Maddie's disappearance there are several other informations that continue to point in other directions. All of them were left out of the recent BBC programme and allegedly of the investigation.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:45 pm

Madeleine McCann Crimewatch appeal: Parents upset at Portuguese Maddie TV snub

The Sunday Mirror can reveal that two of the country’s largest TV channels, TVI and SIC – with potential audiences of millions – made failed attempts to buy the rights

By Simon Wright, Ben Glaze | | 19 Oct 2013 21:43

Kate and Gerry McCann have been left “saddened” and “frustrated” over the decision not to air the latest appeal to find their daughter Madeleine on Portuguese TV.

BBC1’s Crimewatch had its highest ratings last Monday as British detectives issued a fresh public request for information in the search for the little girl who went missing from Portugal’s Praia Da Luz in 2007, aged just three.

But the appeal, which was also shown in Germany and the Netherlands, failed to be screened in the country where Maddie disappeared.

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Re: Madeleine McCann -- Missing 5/3/07

Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:06 am

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html?sid=da15a9daee1766f224e6c21e6417c1d8

At @ 10.16 :
" .... they were carrying the twins and dragging Madeleine so I think then after that they decided they’d have breakfast in their room after their first day because it was a bit of a, not an ordeal, but it was a bit of a trek to get back....."

The Baby Monitor:

Above 36.26:

"... 4078 "And, I’ve got two questions; firstly, did you take that with you every night for the
duration of the holiday?”
Reply "Yes, yeah...."

I have got to say, this group of people appear to view their children as burdens. This is disgusting how they find their time more important than the time with their own children.  Almost like the time the children are having is NOT relevant to THEIR needs.

Having had my children close in age to each other, I never viewed
taking them some place as "dragging" them along.

This person Jane filled most of her sentences with vagaries or she would state her husband, Russell, had info but she did not. She recalled nothing of the plane trip, etc... She either has a screw loose, is "odd" or is covering for something/someone. I get bad vibes from her statements.

JMO

The link is exciting and I thank the poster!  
Many pieces of info in this link.


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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:30 am

Wait.  IF they had baby monitors, why were they checking the children every 15-30 minutes?

The baby monitor would have picked up the sound of intrusion , ie, abduction.

The baby monitor would have alerted to Maddy crying the night prior to her "abduction."

The reports via the McCann parents were Maddy had cried long and repeatedly the night prior to the abduction.

(BTW Why didn't the parents put all the children in one room?
It would make it easier to check on the children and the children were all similar in age groupings. They played together.)

Jane Tanner Interview:


" ...  because Dave and Fi had a monitor which was
quite a good one, a very high spec monitor, whereas ours wasn’t such high spec
so Iwas worried that it wouldn’t work in the Tapas bar.”
4078 "Wasn’t the cups and string was it.”

Reply "Not quite that bad err so I actually did before we went down to eat err we actually, I actually went down, just stood in the restaurant with the monitor just to check that it did and it was on the edge of its, you know, it worked but not, I wasn’t completely
confident in, totally confident in it.
So as I say looking back on it now you think oh, I did that, could that have actually shown somebody what we were doing, you know, me standing there like an idiot with my blo*dy monitor, you know, that sort of, that has crossed my mind since but I think we decided before we went, one of the attractions of a Mark Warner holiday was the baby listening service that they normally offer.”
4078 "Yeah.”

12.55 Reply "And we did know that they didn’t offer it, offer it there and we sort of thought, at that point we thought we can either do it between ourselves and one night one couple you know stay back and then do the baby listening or, but then when we found where we were and the proximity to the restaurant we just sort of thought if we are checking and doing the baby listening as is done in other Mark Warner resorts we should be okay, which it obviously wasn’t, but that was, that was the thought process behind it...."

"...yes probably we were
stupid but I think we were lulled into a false sense of security because this baby
listening service is offered in other places and yeah you look at it now knowing what
happened and you’d think ah yes you know we were probably reckless but it didn’t
feel like that because this is a service that is offered, you know, marketed as a service
in other resorts and we felt we were doing more than is maybe offered there.”

14.06 4078 "And your judgement at the time you considered that you’d be able to cover the, you

checking on the children from the proximity of the restaurant?”
Reply "Yeah, yeah.”
4078 "And you felt okay with what…”
Reply "I think with that plus the monitor that we had I think we just thought yes it’s fine
and I think you know your own children, again, we were proved wrong because Exx
did wake up but they tend to, they sleep well, if they wake up it tends to be in the
middle of the night, not early on, you know. And things like that you just, we were
just weighing it up and it seemed a reasonable risk, well I did think of it as a
reasonable risk then it just, we thought it would be fine.” ... "


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html?sid=da15a9daee1766f224e6c21e6417c1d8

She rambles a lot and changes the direction of her conversation, adding things she was not asked.
Always, she seems "trite" in her answers. Rather flippant.
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:43 am

@18.19


" ... 4078 "So it wasn’t sort of going in the pool weather or, only if you’re very brave.”

Reply "No it was really, really cold, ..."


" ...23.33 Reply "And I think from that I then went to windsurfing because I’d already booked in to
that so it was like straight from that so we went down to the beach and then came
back from that and then picked the children up about, I think it’s half twelve you
have to pick them up and had lunch.  ..."

Above 39.29:
"... Reply "Err yeah, no I went for a run so I actually went down to the beach then and sort of
did a, did a loop round and I think that was the Monday night but again it, it’s either
Sunday or the Monday.”

" ...but what would I have worn, err tracksuit but it would’ve been, I wouldn’t have got my legs
out so it would have been tracksuit bottoms and just a t-shirt I think.” ..."

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html?sid=da15a9daee1766f224e6c21e6417c1d8

====Maddy, her father, and a second female child (part of this party group) WERE photographed sitting on the edge of the pool with feet and legs in the water. Would a child have done that IF it was "really, really cold" ???

Temps drop at night time and it is always colder near the beach when the sun goes down.
Why, then, would she decide on the second day of the vacation, to go for a run? On the beach? At night?
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:14 am

Jane Tanner re husband, Dr. Russel Tanner:

44.23 Reply "Err you know he’d stayed with her, and err so I actually went out sailing with, I can’t remember his name, but somebody else that we’d, who was also doing the windsurfing classes with. I can’t, I think Russell had hurt his wrist, he’d done something, kayaking or sailing the day before, so he wasn’t bothered about going
because I know, I think the Portuguese found it really hard to understand that a bloke would stay with a sick kid rather than me but err I think there was a reason he didn’t want to go sailing plus he’s a Doctor and he’s a lot better with sick than I am, which is totally honest, you know it’s totally honest so, err you know and I think in a way the holiday was a bit of my break as much as his break because I was looking after the kids all the while so.”


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html?sid=da15a9daee1766f224e6c21e6417c1d8

Wow. The attitude...
She thinks others may find fault with a man wanting to stay with a sick child rather than playing with his wife?
So who WAS to look after a sick child if not the parent?
And if one of the parents is a doctor???
Something is wrong with her story...
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Re: Madeleine McCann -- Missing 5/3/07

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:56 pm

@Freckles:

I'm glad I stumbled upon the "Maddie McCann case files" website, there is a wealth of information about this case.

I've already read the rogatory interviews of David Payne, Fiona Payne, and Russell O'Brien, I'm reading now the rogatory interview of Rachael Oldfield.

They were trying to say the same story but their accounts of the events surrounding Madeleine's alleged "abduction" are plagued with contradictions. The interviewing officer is actually very good.



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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:25 pm

Freckles wrote:Wait.  IF they had baby monitors, why were they checking the children every 15-30 minutes?

The baby monitor would have picked up the sound of intrusion , ie, abduction.

The baby monitor would have alerted to Maddy crying the night prior to her "abduction."

The reports via the McCann parents were Maddy had cried long and repeatedly the night prior to the abduction.

(BTW Why didn't the parents put all the children in one room?
It would make it easier to check on the children and the children were all similar in age groupings. They played together.)

Jane Tanner Interview:


" ...  because Dave and Fi had a monitor which was
quite a good one, a very high spec monitor, whereas ours wasn’t such high spec
so Iwas worried that it wouldn’t work in the Tapas bar.”
4078 "Wasn’t the cups and string was it.”

Reply "Not quite that bad err so I actually did before we went down to eat err we actually, I actually went down, just stood in the restaurant with the monitor just to check that it did and it was on the edge of its, you know, it worked but not, I wasn’t completely
confident in, totally confident in it.
So as I say looking back on it now you think oh, I did that, could that have actually shown somebody what we were doing, you know, me standing there like an idiot with my blo*dy monitor, you know, that sort of, that has crossed my mind since but I think we decided before we went, one of the attractions of a Mark Warner holiday was the baby listening service that they normally offer.”
4078 "Yeah.”

12.55 Reply "And we did know that they didn’t offer it, offer it there and we sort of thought, at that point we thought we can either do it between ourselves and one night one couple you know stay back and then do the baby listening or, but then when we found where we were and the proximity to the restaurant we just sort of thought if we are checking and doing the baby listening as is done in other Mark Warner resorts we should be okay, which it obviously wasn’t, but that was, that was the thought process behind it...."

"...yes probably we were
stupid but I think we were lulled into a false sense of security because this baby
listening service is offered in other places and yeah you look at it now knowing what
happened and you’d think ah yes you know we were probably reckless but it didn’t
feel like that because this is a service that is offered, you know, marketed as a service
in other resorts and we felt we were doing more than is maybe offered there.”

14.06 4078 "And your judgement at the time you considered that you’d be able to cover the, you

checking on the children from the proximity of the restaurant?”
Reply "Yeah, yeah.”
4078 "And you felt okay with what…”
Reply "I think with that plus the monitor that we had I think we just thought yes it’s fine
and I think you know your own children, again, we were proved wrong because Exx
did wake up but they tend to, they sleep well, if they wake up it tends to be in the
middle of the night, not early on, you know. And things like that you just, we were
just weighing it up and it seemed a reasonable risk, well I did think of it as a
reasonable risk then it just, we thought it would be fine.” ... "


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html?sid=da15a9daee1766f224e6c21e6417c1d8

She rambles a lot and changes the direction of her conversation, adding things she was not asked.
Always, she seems "trite" in her answers. Rather flippant.
Fiona Payne and Jane Tanner had monitors, the other two couples didn't have one. On the rogatory interview, Fiona Payne said that Jane went to check on her children after Gerry McCann came back to the table, when she realized what she had said and was being questioned about it by the interviewing officer, she did some backpedaling. She also said that checking on other couples' children while they were having dinner was not the normal routine. "everyone checked their own..". It seems to have changed on the night of Maddie's "disappearance".
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Madeleine McCann Update: Former detective believes new sketches of suspect could be breakthrough in case

October 21, 2013 5:53 PM

(CBS) - Last week, a British television program broadcast two police-artist renderings of a possible suspect in the Madeleine McCann case. The four-year-old disappeared from a resort in southern Portugal on May 3, 2007. Although Madeleine has never been found, Portuguese authorities closed the case in 2008.

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The renewed investigation is now publicly-focused on the two artist-renderings of a suspect. They were made in 2008 after McCann private investigators interviewed Martin and Mary Smith of Ireland, according to Ian Horrocks, a former Metropolitan Police detective. The Smiths were vacationing in Praia da Luz, Portugal the same week the McCanns and their three children were on holiday in the seaside town.

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:28 pm


Looking back on the Maddie case: Witness statement - Sílvia Batista

31 January 2011 | Posted by astro

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The deponent remained in the living room for a while, with the GNR officers, Gerry and the other group members that were there in a frenzy, going in and out and speaking on their mobile phones. She noticed that none of the group members, including the child’s mother and father, were busy looking for her.

...

The deponent also wishes to mention that at around 3 a.m. Madeleine’s parents asked for the presence of a priest on location. They didn’t explain the reason why they wanted a priest, but the deponent found the fact strange as there were no indications that the little girl was dead, and that’s the circumstance under which usually the presence of a priest is requested.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:48 pm

This is another information-filled website (I found the name at the end of one of the videos posted above):

http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:54 pm

Rachael Oldfield rogatory interview

Excerpt:

"...erm and so at about five to nine, Matt said just he’d go up and get them and hurry them along, so he went back, yeah up the road and in through the car park, but actually as he was going up the road I think, he passed them erm and as he was leaving the table and said that he’d go and get Dave and Fi and Diane, erm he said he’d just have a listen outside the windows of the apartments, just to make sure there was no crying or anything, erm so he, he passed them in the street, they came and sat at the table and you know a few minutes later, Matt came back and he’d listened outside our window and you know, G***e was quiet and he listened outside Madeleine and the twins bedroom and that was all quiet, you know and all the, you know all the shutters were down”.
01.08.18 1578 “Did he tell you that”?
Reply “Not at the time but afterwards, but I mean he said yeah everything was quiet, he listened at all the windows and also E**a and E**e’s I think, I mean I know he definitely listened at G***e’s and at Madeleine and Sean and Amelie’s windows and everything was quiet so he came back, I mean you know, that, and that was different to the other nights cos you know, we hadn’t done that before you know, that hadn’t been part of the routine, sort of listening, even listening at other people’s windows, but you know, we’d all pretty much just arrived at the tables and erm, so you know, it was just kind of a quick check really”.
1578 “Okay”.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic43.html?sid=3fdcf2df3c3e1f9f88d99380ed117c68
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:55 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:This is another information-filled website (I found the name at the end of one of the videos posted above):

http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy
Thank you, CP!

Title: Who saw Madeleine summary

http://forum4.aimoo.com/madeleinemccanncontroversy/Discrepancies-by-Topic/Who-saw-Madeleine-summary-1-2195061.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:20 am

@Freckles:

Jane and Russell are not married, they have two children together but they are "just partners"...

I suppose the only addition was that, was an explanation of why I, why I would look Jane’s statement. And that was because there was a reference in my original statement for a period of time that was not covered in my interview. That would be the only thing that I would have”.
1578 “So that is an addition?”
Reply “It says, erm, ‘I have been given the opportunity to refresh my memory from the statement made from Jane TANNER’, she is not actually legally my wife we are just, we are just partners ...


Russell O'Brien rogatory interview

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic44.html
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:50 am

McCann Mantra - Absolutely No Evidence that Madeleine is Dead

There is no evidence the child is alive.

No evidence of a ransom demand of a wealthy Brit family.

There IS evidence something is afoul.

There is blood behind a couch.
There are fingerprints on a window belonging NOT to a kidnapper but to the MOTHER of the child.

Cadaver dog has hit upon just that one vehicle the father drove.
There are hits on the bedroom of the parents but NOT on the child's room.

They are hoping to further stall an investigation.
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:06 am

Stumbled on this and found it exciting.
Shows the vacation "villa" and other details.

Go to @.49 in vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8QdJaQvJ0A

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Post by justanopinion on Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:07 am

Freckles wrote:Stumbled on this and found it exciting.
Shows the vacation "villa" and other details.

Go to @.49  in vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8QdJaQvJ0A


Great find Freckles!! guitar guitar 
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Post by angiefly2 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:07 am

Here is a link I found with a wealth of info. It may have the same info that the other site has, I'm not sure because I just started going through it. Apologies if this has already been linked.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
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Post by justanopinion on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:30 am

angiefly2 wrote:Here is a link I found with a wealth of info. It may have the same info that the other site has, I'm not sure because I just started going through it. Apologies if this has already been linked.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
I am really confused?? I understood that there was "hits" on the rental vehicle and bedroom and behind the couch by the Cadaver Dogs. I thought that 15 allele's matched with Madeleine ... I hope that she is still alive... but are the LE humoring the McCann's to see if they can get more info that way? Or have I just made up my mind that the McCann's or someone that they know has done what we all fear?
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:20 pm


Madeleine McCann: Portugal Cops May Open Case

12:04am UK, Thursday 24 October 2013

The Portuguese police are to request that the Madeleine McCann investigation be reopened, according to local media.

Police in Oporto have been reviewing the case and have identified a number of issues they wish to clarify, an unnamed police source was quoted as saying.

The move to re-examine the case in Portugal comes after a fresh appeal for information was aired across Europe.


Read more: http://news.sky.com/story/1158880/madeleine-mccann-portugal-cops-may-open-case


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:54 pm

Rogério Alves, McCanns' lawyer: 'new evidence rules out the parents responsibility'

24 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais

At a time when the investigation is under the secrecy of justice, Rogério Alves, the McCanns' lawyer has given multiple interviews throughout the day to Lusa news agency, Antena 1 radio, SIC TV news channel, and to RTP (among other mainstream media outlets), stating that "new evidence rules out the parents responsibility".



Maddie Case: 'new evidence rules out the responsibility of the parents'

Lisbon, Oct. 24 (Lusa) 17:16 - The lawyer of the parents of the English child, who disappeared from the Algarve in 2007, has revealed today that the couple was informed that the new evidence, on which the reopening is based, "does not, in any way, point to the responsibility" of Madeleine McCann's parents.

Rogério Alves was speaking to Lusa regarding the reopening of the investigation by the Portuguese Public Ministry and it was then that he was questioned about the possibility of Gerry and Kate MaCann [sic] being constituted as arguidos again.

"The family was informed that the new evidence does not, in any way, point to the responsibility of the parents", assured the lawyer.


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:01 pm

Public Ministry reopens investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance

24 October 2013 | Posted by Joana Morais

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/public-ministry-reopens-investigation.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:46 pm

Madeleine McCann case: Portuguese police reopen inquiry



BBC Crimewatch highlighted the new evidence around Madeleine McCann's disappearance

Portuguese police have reopened their inquiry into the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann, the public prosecutor's office has said.

Madeleine, from Leicestershire, was three when she disappeared from Praia da Luz in the Algarve in May 2007.

Portugal's attorney general said "new elements of evidence" justified the "continuation of the investigation", which was shelved by police in 2008.

Madeleine's parents said they hoped for "the answers we so desperately need".

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:55 pm



This is the picture that was used in the first poster that was distributed around Praia da Luz on the night of Madeleine McCann disappearance.

Source: www.mccannfiles.com
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:03 pm

justanopinion wrote:
angiefly2 wrote:Here is a link I found with a wealth of info. It may have the same info that the other site has, I'm not sure because I just started going through it. Apologies if this has already been linked.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/index.html
I am really confused?? I understood that there was "hits" on the rental vehicle and bedroom and behind the couch by the Cadaver Dogs. I thought that 15 allele's matched with Madeleine ... I hope that she is still alive... but are the LE humoring the McCann's to see if they can get more info that way? Or have I just made up my mind that the McCann's or someone that they know has done what we all fear?
JAO:  you are absolutely correct about the hits, and the DNA, from what I've read.  I don't think LE is humoring the McCanns but rather flat-out ignoring evidence.  I believe they have refuted the hits as unreliable evidence, and are white-washing the entire case.  The Portuguese officer who believed that Maddie died in that apartment, and that the McCanns staged the abduction, was removed from the case and is now being sued by the McCanns for the "lies" he wrote in his book. Someone higher up appears to be protecting the McCanns, for whatever reason.

I am just appalled at the turns this case has taken, as it gets more bizarre by the day.  This investigation is supposed to find the truth; IMO, it's getting further and further away from the truth instead of closer to it.  Makes me sick every time I read a new story. JMO

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Post by Freckles on Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:40 am

As much as I would like to believe other, I am going with the dogs.
They are well trained and without agendas.
The first dog used independent of the other dog was a human blood scent dog.
The second dog used independent of the other dog was a human cadaver dog. I am impressed by this dog. He was able to find and accurately locate human bones buried and left in a grave for years.

Both dogs scented and located SAME areas in the rental unit.
Nothing in the child's sleep area.
Behind the couch.
And, on the floor in the parent's sleep area.

Both dogs were used in the rental car.
Scent was found on the driver's side seat, trunk of car, etc.
This can ONLY be human scent.
These dogs were NOT trained to hit on any scent other than human.
They will ignore all other scents.
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Post by Freckles on Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:46 am

Portugal had the case as it was in their domain.
They requested assist from England but it was denied.
England then produced evidence which Portugal wanted.
England told Portugal to transfer the entire case to them in exchange for sharing of evidence.
Portugal transferred the case.
England has refused to share the evidence now.
England is sitting on it.
Portugal has now gone back and REOPENED their own work.
IMO, Portugal realized England will NOT cooperate with them!


Unlike what the media was reporting, the case file link posted above that I oohed and aahed over shows the extent Portugal went to was exhausting... and thorough.


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic41.html?sid=da15a9daee1766f224e6c21e6417c1d8
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Post by Freckles on Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:53 am

BTW, in many of the vids, Kate, the mother, is seen cradling a little stuffed item that was Maddie's toy. This item was found by Portugal investigators. It was on the bed in Maddie's room and had been "placed" next to the pillow. (A child would have clutched it in her hands when she went to sleep... she would not have left it placed neatly next to a pillow.) The cadaver dog did NOT hit upon anything in the sleeping area for Maddie. However, the dog DID hit upon the toy... this means the toy was in her hands or touching her body at the time of her death. At some point after her death, the item was placed nest to her pillow in the sleeping area.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:59 am

Just when I thought this case couldn't get any more outrageous, this comes out:


Madeleine McCann's parents told they are no longer suspects by Portuguese police

26 Oct 2013 09:30

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Kate and Gerry McCann have been told for the first time by the Portuguese authorities that they are no longer suspects in their daughter Madeleine’s disappearance.

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on the new leads that have been unearthed.

Their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said yesterday: “The McCanns were already informed about the reopening of the inquiry and the reasons why it was being reopened.

“They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

...

It also emerged last night Madeleine’s parents are set to apply to become private prosecutors - “assistentes” under Portuguese law - in the reopened criminal inquiry.

It will mean their legal team can work alongside state prosecutors so they are kept informed of all new developments and conduct their own private prosecution - running parallel to the state prosecution - against any future suspects charged over Madeleine’s disappearance.

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Read more:  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-told-no-2592011
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:07 pm

Even more bizarreness:

Madeleine McCann: Porn star used in BBC Crimewatch reconstruction on disappearance

27 Oct 2013

Yeah, this adds credibility to the reconstruction...NOT!

I won't even dignify this by copying any of the article; you can read it here if you wish:  

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-porn-star-used-2643423
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:16 am

Madeline McCann: Breakthrough as police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking nearby

The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched

By Patrick Hill | | 27 Oct 2013 00:00

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