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Re: Ryan Widmer - Bathtub Murder Trial of Bride of 4 Months, Sarah Widmer

Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:57 am

This link of Ann's has a lot of information!

http://www.wcpo.com/subindex/news/crime/widmer_2009

There has been talk of jury members emailing/talking to friends during the trial. I don't know what will come of this. I think Judge Bronson was made aware of it, but apparently he felt it wasn't a concern, if there was one to begin with.
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Post by Sherry on Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:07 am

Piper wrote:I'm sure his attorneys will appeal immediately. But in my opinion, this is the end of it. The Lt. Braley findings that weren't allowed in court and the lack of funding for more research into what happened to Sarah, I don't think that's going to make a difference on appeal, just my opinion.

Its as if the odds were stacked against Ryan from getting a fair trial! Sure, the State has the burden of proof but should they be able to make that burden so heavy that the defendant can't lift it off of himself? I couldn't believe that the defense could not tear apart what one of Ryan's accusers, Braley, dug up against him. This was the most lop-sided trial I have ever seen or heard.
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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:14 am

Sherry, I truly disagreed with Judge Bronson's ruling on Braley in this third trial. Braley sat at the prosecution table in trial 1 and 2. And he's still employed..........

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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:41 am

Juror: Widmer should have testified

Updated 11:18 AM Wednesday, February 16, 2011

LEBANON — The jury in the Ryan Widmer trial based its decision to convict the Warren County man based on the dry bathroom scene found and his fateful 911 call, a juror said.

The juror, who asked not to be identified, said she also based her decision on the fact that Widmer didn’t testify. The jury was cautioned numerous times by the judge that Widmer had a Constitutional right not to testify.

It was a tough choice for the jury, according to the woman.

“It was the hardest decision any of us ever had to make...,” she said. “We tried every way to find excuses for Ryan and there was none.”

The juror said they went witness by witness, all 44 who testified, and dissected everything before they took one vote — guilty of murder.

“I couldn’t say there was any particular credible witness,” she said. “The fact that we couldn’t hear Ryan’s side of the story was bad.”

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Post by Ann - Tx on Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:48 am

Piper, thanks for posting all of the videos!

Is the 911 call posted on this thread?
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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:56 am

Piper wrote:Here's the 911 call...

http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/crime/audio-ryan-widmers-911-call-667748.html

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Here ya go

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Post by Ann - Tx on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:06 pm

Snipped from article posted by Piper at 10:41 a.m. (2-16-11):

The juror, who asked not to be identified, said she also based her decision on the fact that Widmer didn’t testify.

Not good! The defendant, Ryan Widmer, is not required to testify. The burden of proof lies with the State of Ohio.

Jurors can not use this against the defendant if he does not testify. The fact that Widmer did not testify, on behalf of his own defense, should have not even been discussed during jury deliberations.

The testimony of witnesses for the Prosecution and the Defense and evidence introduced during trial is what the jurors should base their finding of guilty or not guilty.
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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:09 pm

http://livewire.wlwt.com/Event/Ryan_Widmer_Trial_3_Wrapup

Travis live blog - Ann they are discussing that now!
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Post by Ann - Tx on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:20 pm

Thanks for the video of the 911 call, Piper.

One thing that really stood out to me was that Ryan made the comment, "She falls asleep in the bathtub all of the time." (not verbatim)

I wonder what Peter Hyatt, Statement Analysis, would have to say about this 911 call, especially the above statement. It was not necessary for Ryan to throw that comment in.

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Post by Ann - Tx on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:33 pm

Piper, someone posted a Link to this on Travis' Live blog:
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Widmer should have testified in murder trial, juror says

By Denise G. Callahan, Staff Writer
Springfield News-Sun - Springfield, OH

Updated 12:17 PM Wednesday, February 16, 2011

LEBANON — The jury in the Ryan Widmer trial based its decision to convict the Warren County man because of the dry bathroom scene found and his fateful 911 call, a juror said.

The juror, who asked not to be identified, said she also based her decision on the fact that Widmer didn’t testify. The jury was cautioned numerous times by Judge Neal Bronson that Widmer had a Constitutional right not to testify.


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http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/crime/widmer-should-have-testified-in-murder-trial-juror-says-1083032.html

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Post by Sherry on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:34 pm

Ann - Tx wrote:Snipped from article posted by Piper at 10:41 a.m. (2-16-11):

The juror, who asked not to be identified, said she also based her decision on the fact that Widmer didn’t testify.

Not good! The defendant, Ryan Widmer, is not required to testify. The burden of proof lies with the State of Ohio.

Jurors can not use this against the defendant if he does not testify. The fact that Widmer did not testify, on behalf of his own defense, should have not even been discussed during jury deliberations.

The testimony of witnesses for the Prosecution and the Defense and evidence introduced during trial is what the jurors should base their finding of guilty or not guilty.

I agree. The same was said in his first trial.
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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:47 pm

Also, it's being said that at least one of the jurors posted on Facebook Sunday night. The judge asked them to refrain from using Facebook, and definitely prohibited researching the case on line.

Hmmm....it will be interesting to see where the "Ryan not testifying" statement will go!
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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:25 pm

Ryan Widmer juror: Guilty verdict not reached in haste

12:07 PM, Feb. 16, 2011

LEBANON – To outsiders, jurors in Ryan Widmer’s third murder trial seemed to reach a guilty verdict quickly Tuesday. But the process felt agonizing and “gut-wrenching,’’ a juror told the Enquirer today.

In a wide-ranging interview, the Hamilton Township juror said his colleagues explicitly followed Judge Neal Bronson’s instructions.

“I believe that we were very thorough,’’ he said. “I’m not aware of any jury misconduct.’’

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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:26 pm

~Snipped~
This jury wanted to try to find Widmer, 30, not guilty of murder, he said. Authorities said Sarah Widmer was drowned in the bathtub of the couple’s Hamilton Township home in 2008. But some jurors thought she could have been drowned in the toilet, he said.

That theory was touched upon in Widmer’s first trial in 2009 but did not resurface in his 2010 trial or in this trial.

The juror declined to reveal what specific scenario they believed led to Sarah Widmer’s death. Regardless, he said, the evidence didn’t allow the jury to envision any scenario that explained the dry conditions of the alleged drowning scene. He also said the sequence of events in Ryan Widmer’s 911 call didn’t match the evidence.

“I know in my heart that we made the right decision, based on the evidence,’’ he said.
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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:31 pm

Widmer defense team alleges juror misconduct


Updated: Feb 16, 2011 1:08 PM EST

LEBANON, OH (FOX19) - Ryan Widmer's defense team is alleging that jurors in his third trial talked about the case with family and friends.

Widmer, 30, was found guilty Tuesday in the murder of his wife, Sarah.

Judge Neal Bronson lifted a gag order on Wednesday, meaning attorneys are now allowed to talk about the case.

One of Widmer's attorneys, Charlie Rittgers, issued the following statement:

"In the middle of the prosecution's case, the defense team was alerted by a number of people that at least two of the jurors had told friends or family members that they were certain Ryan was going to be found guilty. We are currently trying to substantiate the allegations. Ryan is innocent and I firmly believe that had the jury followed Judge Bronson's instructions on the law that the verdict would have been not guilty."

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Post by Piper on Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:25 pm

Widmer transferred to prison

4:18 PM, Feb. 16, 2011

State prison officials have confirmed that Ryan Widmer was transferred to a state prison, the Correctional Reception Center at Orient, Ohio, southwest of Columbus, Wednesday afternoon.

He will undergo several weeks of screenings, including mental health and medical assessments, before being assigned to his permanent institution, said JoEllen Smith, state prisons spokeswoman.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110216/NEWS01/302160029/1196/ENT/Widmer-transferred-prison?odyssey=nav%7Chead
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Post by Ann - Tx on Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:22 am

Widmer Attorneys Investigate Possible Juror Misconduct
Rittgers: 2 Jurors Spoke To Family, Friends About Trial

WLWT - Cincinnati, OH

POSTED: 1:48 pm EST February 16, 2011
UPDATED: 5:40 pm EST February 16, 2011

LEBANON -- An attorney for Ryan Widmer claims that some jurors in the case may have acted improperly before reaching a verdict.

Attorney Charles M. Rittgers issued a statement Wednesday saying that defense attorneys had been alerted by a number of people that at least two jurors told friends or family members that they were certain Widmer would be convicted in the drowning death of his wife, Sarah Widmer.

Jurors returned a guilty verdict Tuesday afternoon on one count of murder following about 12 hours of deliberation.


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Post by Ann - Tx on Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:37 am

This will give you an idea of Ryan Widmer's state prison processing in Orient, Ohio. This is an informative site. Many things to click on!

Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction Offender Reception Processing

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/reception_processing.htm
DRC - State of Ohio

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Post by Ann - Tx on Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:49 am

Widmer LIVE blog followers form mock jury

Posted: 02/16/2011
Last Updated: 11 hours and 40 minutes ago

KyPost.com - Cincinnati, OH
By: Jessica Noll

LEBANON, Ohio - Just hours before the guilty verdict was read in the Ryan Widmer case Tuesday, four blog readers sat down and gave their take on the case, the evidence, and what verdict they would hand down.


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Post by Piper on Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:52 am

On the Free Ryan Widmer site they have listed all the jurors names and say "Recognize any of those people? Let us know."

http://www.freeryanwidmer.com/
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Post by Piper on Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:24 pm

Here we go! There's more information on Lt. Braley earlier in this thread:

Probe begins into files of lead detective in Widmer case

2:55 PM Thursday, February 17, 2011

HAMILTON TWP. — Officials here agreed to hire an independent attorney to further probe the alleged fraudulent records in the personnel file of the lead detective in the Ryan Widmer case.

A day after Widmer was found guilty of murder, township trustees voted Tuesday night to hire attorney Doug Miller of Donnellon, Donnellon and Miller to start an independent investigation into the alleged fraudulent records in Lt. Jeff Braley’s file.

“He will review all the disputed documents and interview any witnesses or employees that he thinks appropriate, to determine whether or not there should be a pre-disciplinary hearing for Lt. Braley,” Law Director Warren Ritchie said.

Since Braley is a union member, the township has to follow the proper channels, such as the pre-disciplinary hearing.

In January, a brief report was issued by forensic scientist Rebecca Barrett of the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation. She noted she inspected Braley’s files and compared them to his confirmed signature.

Barrett confirmed it was Braley’s signature, but said “a lack of evidence does not prove that only one ink pen was used or that no alterations could have occurred.

Ritchie said the BCI finding prompted trustees to take the next step.

“They would be remiss if they didn’t follow up to determine whether in fact those documents were misstated by Lt. Braley and if so, whether that’s a matter for disciplinary action,” Ritchie said.

Braley said despite what the BCI report says, he believes someone is out to get him and did tamper with the documents. He has said in the past he believes the documents were pieced together.

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http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/probe-begins-into-files-of-lead-detective-in-widmer-case-1084183.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
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Post by Sherry on Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:47 pm

Here is Ryan's prison picture...

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/OffenderSearch/Search.aspx

Just type in his name and Warren County


Its hard to see it! Sad
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Post by Piper on Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:01 pm

Thanks Sherry.......I notice they also are using his original date of 04/06/2009 for admission from the first trial in that first section. Then further down they post the 2/16/11. He served about 5 1/2 months I think the first time.

Latest Parole Board Hearing/Review : July 2025
FIRST HEARING


2025..........
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Post by Piper on Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:02 pm

I wonder which prison they will assign him to. He was previously at Lebanon Correctional, which is right here and close to his family.
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Post by Sherry on Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:10 pm

I hope it will be Lebanon if its close to his family.

2025-that's 14 years away but I am praying for another mistrial and that the new prosecutor will drop the case. We had a young man who was recently freed after he was wrongly pronounced "guilty" for his girlfriend's murder 13 years ago, IIRC. I hope it doesn't take that much time for Ryan to be set free.

I saw a poll on one of the news sites posted here at RC yesterday that showed that the majority of the people think Ryan is innocent.
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Post by Estee on Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:35 pm

I'm on my knees too...This young man has been in my prayers for a while now...I feel that somehow there will be a mistrial proclaimed...at least I hope there will be...The jury should be scrutinized, as to their texting, e-mail and blogging if they did so...Surely the contents of which can be found...
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Post by Estee on Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:41 pm

12 Angry Men is on TCM channel...I've never seen it so I'm watching it now...Very interesting how juries conflict...I wonder if Ryan's jury behaved thusly...
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Post by Piper on Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:52 pm

Estee, I've never seen that either. I'll have to rent it.
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Post by Piper on Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:53 pm

Experts: Ryan Widmer jurors' comments raise legal questions

12:43 PM, Feb. 18, 2011

Important legal concepts seem to have been lost on some Warren County jurors who convicted Ryan Widmer of murder, experts say, based on interviews reported in local news media since Tuesday’s verdict.

But Widmer’s lawyers have no recourse unless they can legally substantiate that jurors disobeyed orders, experts say.

Even so, the topic is worthy of public debate, “because we’re seeing an increasing trend of jurors disregarding judges’ simple instructions,” says attorney Mike Allen, a former Hamilton County prosecutor and municipal court judge.

Judge Neal Bronson clearly explained to the jury during Widmer’s 17-day trial:

• The defendant doesn’t have to prove he’s innocent; he’s presumed innocent and the prosecution must prove his guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

• The defendant’s decision not to testify cannot be considered for any purpose.

• “Murder” is an intentional killing while “involuntary manslaughter” would be an assault that unintentionally caused a death.

Yet one juror, quoted by WKRC-TV, Channel 12, said, “It’s just the evidence, to us, did not prove innocence.”

Another juror, quoted in the Western Star, a Warren County newspaper, said: “The fact that we couldn’t hear Ryan’s side of the story was bad,” indicating he should have testified.

The Enquirer quoted a juror who said, “We think something happened and he just snapped,” a scenario that defense lawyer Mark Krumbein says appears to fit the legal definition of involuntary manslaughter, not murder.

Widmer’s jurors were given involuntary manslaughter as a choice, at the prosecutors’ request. That charge is less serious than murder and would have carried a maximum five-year prison term rather than 15-to-life.

After two mistrials, Widmer, 30, was convicted of murder Tuesday in the 2008 drowning of his wife, Sarah, 24.

Interesting article, read more:
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110218/NEWS010702/302180096/1196/SPT/Experts-Widmer-jurors-comments-raise-questions-?odyssey=nav%7Chead
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Post by mel on Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:48 pm

I can't believe there won't be a mistrial, there are 2 jurors that said that one of the reasons they found him guilty was because he didn't testify.. If there isn't, I will have lost all confidence in the justice system. I will say again, I don't know if he did it, but I do know there is reasonable doubt all over this case. And I watch one of the jurors on T.V., now mind you, I am not trying to be judgmental of this lady, but she didn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed. She did speak well and I think she got caught up in the hype and just went along with what ever the other jurors said, but that is just my opinion..

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Post by Piper on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:23 pm

Hi mel! I agree, no one knows what happened in that bathroom, but I think reasonable doubt is all over the place, just my opinion! Too many unanswered questions on how young Sarah died......tragic situation all the way around for everyone involved.


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Post by Piper on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:25 pm

Sarah's family speaks out for the first time in two years...

Family of Sarah Widmer says ‘justice has been served’

Updated 7:03 PM Friday, February 18, 2011

LEBANON — The family of Sarah Widmer, the slain Warren County woman whose husband’s three murder trials captivated the region, spoke out Friday for the first time in more than two years.

“On behalf of my mother and our family we are relieved that the trial is behind us and that justice has been served for Sarah,” said Mike Steward, in a statement issued through the Warren County Prosecutor’s office. “Nothing we do will bring her back to us, but we feel we can now move on with our lives like Sarah would have wanted.”

Sarah Widmer, 24, a graduate of Edgewood High School, was drowned in her Hamilton Twp. home by husband, Ryan Widmer, in August 2008. Widmer was convicted of murder on Tuesday in his third trial. His first two ended in mistrials.

Mike Steward thanked the prosecutor’s office and the victim’s advocate division for their diligence and hard work in the three trials. He said the family would not make any more statements and requested privacy from the media.

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Post by mel on Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:43 pm

Piper, I have never supported someone who has been accused of a violent crime. I have always thought that the justice system works. However, in the last few years I have seen some great injustices happen in this county. I am going to buy a tee shirt just to support this kid's cause. Like I said, I have never supported someone who has been accused of a crime like this but the old saying goes "it is better to let 9 guilty men go free than to convict one innocent man" If I would have been on that jury, we would still be sitting there because I would have refused to be swayed into voting guilty. I am shocked how many supporters he has and yet they were able to convict him... And I am so happy that we have this forum to discuss it!!!!

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Post by mel on Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:48 pm

Sherry, I hope he will be in Lebanon too, so his family can visit him. Now I have heard that he has a child on the way.. I don't know if that is true but if it is, it would be nice for him to be close enough to see the child. Of course people are judging him about that as well, but how long is acceptable before it is "ok" to go on with your life. I think it probably wasn't smart to have a child when you have a murder charge hanging over your head but I think he truly thought he would be found not guilty.

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Post by Piper on Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Mel, your words "violent crime" speaks volumes in this case. I just don't see where the state proved Sarah died from a violent crime.....there were no defense wounds, whether it was in the bathtub or the toilet. There would have had to have been signs of a struggle, and it's just not there, as far as what's been presented. It's just never made any sense to me......
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Post by Sherry on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:02 pm

mel, I'm with you and Piper concerning Ryan being falsely accused, and of a violent crime at that. As for his child, if the rumor is true, it may have happened due to this woman bringing Ryan a great deal of well needed comfort rather than him believing he would be found not guilty. I was taken aback by those who thought it didn't make Ryan look good having a relationship with the two women who testified at his last trial. So what? He was hurting and had the whole State of Ohio against him and accusing him of a horrible crime. Why couldn't he talk to those who upheld his innocence? Its as if there was some rule book on how one should react in a 911 call, and look in a courtroom, and behave after the death of one's spouse and Ryan did not abide by one rule so he's guilty. I can see, to an extent, where one's behavior could scream guilt, but I did not see that in anything Ryan did or didn't do according to some people's rule book. I saw innocence and the reactions of an innocent man.

On a somewhat side note: I've been so cynical of the justice system lately that I fear that Drew Peterson, one who, imo, is guilty of the bathtub murder of his wife, Kathleen Savio, will go free as not guilty. Ryan, an innocent man is incarcerated while Drewpy goes free....~humph~
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Post by Piper on Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:04 am

Good points, Sherry! Mel, the juror you were talking about, was it the red headed woman? I caught that on TV and I don't remember which channel. Do you know what station that was? Hopefully that video is on their website.......
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Post by Piper on Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:57 pm

From Ryan's first murder trial in March 2009, click link to view video.

Video: Is this how Sarah Widmer died?

8:57 PM, Apr. 4, 2009

Prosecutors in the Ryan Widmer murder trial have released the video they created to demonstrate how Sarah Widmer could have died in the couple's bathtub.

Judge Neal Bronson didn't allow this video to be shown during the trial in Warren County Common Pleas Court.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090404/NEWS01/90404001/Video-how-Sarah-Widmer-died-
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Post by Sherry on Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:13 pm

That was interesting~

I'm surprised it wasn't admitted but then again, it didn't need to be.
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Post by mel on Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:41 pm

Yes it was a redhead Piper and she just didn't seem like she was the smartest person they could have chosen...

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Post by Piper on Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:55 pm

Mel, I got that impression as well. I still can't find that video!
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Post by Piper on Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:56 pm

Deadline for new trial request for Widmer is today

1:25 PM Tuesday, March 1, 2011

LEBANON — Attorneys for Ryan Widmer are expected today to file a request for a new trial.

The deadline for the request is today and a motion for acquittal by the defense is due by Friday, according to a judge’s order.

Judge Neal Bronson issued an order today saying both sides have agreed to the deadlines and the prosecution has until March 18 to respond to the defense motions.

http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/middletown-news/deadline-for-new-trial-request-for-widmer-is-today-1094475.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
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Post by FystyAngel on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:16 pm

Ryan Widmer's attorneys request new trial
2:17 PM, Mar. 1, 2011


Ryan Widmer’s lawyers filed documents in court Tuesday afternoon citing possible juror misconduct as the reason why Widmer should be entitled to a new trial.

The lawyers allege one juror stated Widmer would “burn in hell” and that the jury had already discussed convicting him during the trial.

However, the juror denied making the statement when questioned, the document stated.
The lawyers also cited two other reasons for a new trial.

They state jurors unfairly shifted burden of truth to Widmer’s lawyers, requiring them to prove him innocent rather than requiring the prosecution to prove him guilty.

Defendants are supposed to be presumed innocent.

The lawyers also allege “misdirection” of jury, stating the verdict was not supported by evidence.


http://communitypress.cincinnati.com/article/AB/20110301/NEWS010702/303010132/1196/ENT01/Ryan-Widmer-s-attorneys-request-new-trial?odyssey=nav%7Chead

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Post by FystyAngel on Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:22 pm

Widmer defense files motion for new trial, alleging juror bias

Posted: Mar 01, 2011 2:04 PM EST
Updated: Mar 01, 2011 4:43 PM EST

LEBANON, OH (FOX19) - Ryan Widmer's defense team has filed a motion for a retrial, alleging one of the jurors made a bias statement and should have been removed from the jury.

Widmer, 30, was found guilty of murder on Feb. 16 in the drowning death of his wife, Sarah.

A motion filed by defense attorneys Jay Clark and Lindsey Gutierrez alleges they received phone calls from family members of one of the jurors, "D.E." during the second day of the trial. The family members said D.E. had visited her best friend, "S.L." a few days before the trial began, telling her, "Don't worry about the Widmer case, we have all talked about it and we know he is guilty. He (Ryan Widmer) is going to rot in hell."

The defense team brought this statement to the court's attention, and D.E. was brought into the judge's chambers. She said her only recent conversation with S.L. had been about S.L.'s health, and that S.L. had asked about the trial, but D.E. said she wasn't allowed to say anything.

D.E. was dismissed from chambers and an instruction was given to the rest of the jurors regarding anyone approaching them about the case or speaking to anyone about the case.

The court determined D.E. would remain on the jury because she was honest about her conversations and had not made the statement.

The same week, defense attorneys sent a private investigator to talk to S.L., who told them she and D.E. were like sisters, and that D.E. was the executor of her estate. S.L. denied that D.E. had made the statement, but she had told her the jurors were able to go out for lunch and they would probably be sequestered during deliberations, which had not been discussed with jurors in open court.

The motion alleges that D.E. lied about the nature of the relationship with her best friend, so, "it is difficult to believe she was honest and sincere about the statement."


Read More...............http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=14164336

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Post by Piper on Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:42 pm

Thanks for the updates, Fysty. I have a feeling he won't get a new trial, just my opinion. While I don't know if Ryan drowned Sarah, I feel he didn't receive a fair trial. I know the state of Ohio doesn't have to prove a motive, but they tried to do that and it made no sense. I don't see a motive and it appeared to me, after following three trials, that Sarah didn't fight being drowned. There were no defense wounds, again...it just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by Piper on Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:43 am

Defense asks judge to set Widmer free

11:19 AM Friday, March 4, 2011

LEBANON — Ryan Widmer’s defense team wants a judge to free their client despite a guilty verdict that was handed down almost three weeks ago.

Widmer’s defense filed a motion for an acquittal today in Warren County Common Pleas Court.

Read more:
http://www.middletownjournal.com/news/crime/defense-asks-judge-to-set-widmer-free-1097620.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
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Post by Sherry on Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:59 am

In my fantasy world, Widmer is acquitted and freed...{sigh}...
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Post by Estee on Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:37 pm

In mine he moves to the EF and lives happily ever after... Wouldn't that be nice???
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Post by Piper on Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:06 pm

Legal experts: Widmer's claims worth exploring

3:57 PM, Mar. 5, 2011

LEBANON -- Ryan Widmer's first attorney proved jury misconduct and got one murder conviction nullified in the 2008 bathtub drowning of Widmer's 24-year-old wife, Sarah.

But after two more trials - a hung jury last year and a guilty verdict Feb. 15 - Widmer's current defense team probably is sailing against the wind to get Judge Neal Bronson to either find Widmer not guilty or to set the conviction set aside and set the stage for a possible fourth trial, legal experts say.

Read more and view video:
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110305/NEWS010702/103060340/Legal-experts-Widmer-s-claims-worth-exploring
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Post by Piper on Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:10 pm

~Snipped~
Widmer's lawyers say they have reason to believe a juror may have been dishonest when Bronson questioned her about her alleged mid-trial statement to a friend: "Don't worry about the Widmer case. We have all talked about it and we know he is guilty. He is going to burn in hell."

The juror denied making the remarks, so Judge Bronson took her at her word. He rejected defense lawyers' request to have her kicked off the jury and replaced with one of three alternate jurors.

When told about a posting by the "burn-in-hell" juror on her personal Facebook page, Krumbein said, "That sort of adds fuel to the fire."

The juror's Facebook entries had been visible to anyone who typed in her name.

On Jan. 10, after being notified she was a potential juror but before the trial started Jan. 18, she posted a comment that her legs were tired from walking, so she "took a bath in a tub so big you could easily drown."

For a potential juror in an alleged bathtub-drowning case to make such a remark may not have directly violated any rules, but it doesn't look good, Krumbein said.


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