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Post by Piper on Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:55 pm

My feelings..........Joran challenged her to a poker game upon leaving the casino to lure her to his room to take her winnings. He's a gambler, she's a gambler, she had winnings...plus being a known lesbian, on her period. She did not go there for sex, I think that was obvious from her posture in the video. He was going to win it from her or rob it from her. His computer story is bullshit. Again, he blames her and now he claims to be the victim. He realized if he confessed, he would get a lighter sentence. If she wasn't wearing her pants, maybe she had taken them off to sit comfortably or he removed them after the fact. I'd say she made her sexual preference clear to him from the get go. Now he's saying he was under the influence of marijuana, that's just one more excuse for a lighter sentence........he wasn't going to let her leave without getting her cash and she pissed him off....she wasn't giving it up. His excuse to leave to get coffee was to give him time to think about what to do about the situation....she wasn't leaving there with that money, I'd say she was winning at that point. That's just my opinion on a possible theory....on the other hand it's also very odd that it was the 5th anniversary of Natalee's disappearance.
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Post by Snaz on Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:00 pm

I agree, Piper, he used that time to think what to do. I'm betting they don't find Stephany's fingerprints on either one of those coffee cups, possibly indicating she was already dead when he brought the coffee into the room.

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:47 pm

Snaz... I so agree about the coffee cups.. I bet he went to the store as part of his plan after she was dead!... He is a schemer..

I suspect she gave him credit at the casino and she finally had enough and told him she needed the money right now.. He prolly lured her bak to his room knowing full well he wud not be giving her any moeny as he prolly didnt even have any ... He felt he had no choice as was afraid she wud tell someone at the casino that he ripper her off.. He is a fortune hunter and latches on where he can benifit..I think the only reason she went with him was to collect..She had no other reason to go there with him at all.. She did not look like she was there to have coffee and bread with him... Her demeaneor in the video looks like she is ashamed...

I think the computer excuse was all a ruse.. He wanted to see what was on the net about his U S charges as he had to find out if he cud get into Chile...

He is a liar, and murderer and will kill again. He has no morals, and wud kill his own offspring to benefit. He shud be shot..

If her prints are on the cup, I cud actually see him having cleaned her hand, and actually imprinting the cup with her dead hand...

I believe he has many more victims ..some, we may find out about.. he has proven his behavior is habitual..
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Post by Piper on Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:51 pm

That's a perfect scenario, AJ....so very possible. He borrowed on her and he lied to her to get her to his room. She appeared ashamed to me as well. She did not appear to be following him to have a good time.........

Also, does anyone feel someone in Aruba tipped him off on the pending extortion charges?


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Post by Julie on Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:57 pm

I could see him doing that with the coffee cup & her hand.

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Post by Piper on Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:02 pm

I have to wonder about him making the extra effort to appear to get coffee for the both of them....that seems like it would be a minor detail to him for appearance sake. Did he have to walk past the front desk, parading the coffee and bread?
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Post by Piper on Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 pm

Van de Sloot Peru murder confession may be strategic, says lawyer

Law and Order | 8 June, 2010 [ 18:15 ]

Joran van de Sloot's confession may be a strategy to lighten his sentence for murdering Stephany Flores, says criminal defense attorney Mario Amoretti.

In opinion of Amoretti, van der Sloot may be trying to convince the authorities that he had not planned to murder Flores, but did it because of an emotional overreaction, because he got mad at her when he found her searching for his background.

In this scenario, he could be sentenced to six years of imprisonment, and could apply for benefits and be released in three years for good conduct.

However, if prosecution can prove that the crime was premeditated, his sentence could range between 15 and 35 years.

That's why it is very important to verify and check facts with the casino, to find out exactly how much money did each one won and lost that night.

Today the murder reconstruction was postponed, due to the large number of reporters gathering outside the hotel where Flores was murdered.

Reportedly, Joran's mother, Anita Van der Sloot, may have arrived in Lima to support her son, but no one has actually seen her yet.

In addition, the correspondent in Colombia of the Netherlands ANP agency, Wies Ubags, confirmed to Peruvian press that Colombia is also investigating if van der Sloot is related to the disappearance of two young women last May.

These women were frequent visitors of casinos, and van der Sloot did attend several casinos while his staying in Bogota.

http://www.livinginperu.com/news-12407-law-and-order-van-de-sloot-peru-murder-confession-may-be-strategic-says-lawyer
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Post by Snaz on Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:13 pm

You know, I was thinking earlier....

No matter how many years he is actually given for killing Stephany, I don't think he will survive a Peruvian prison. The conditions there are deplorable... and so are the prisoners. Someone will 'off' him IMO.

And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.....

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Post by Piper on Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:19 pm

I've thought that from the beginning...I posted some videos from the prisons. Peruvian prisons are notorious for being deadly and ancient...Also, he will have a bounty on his head from the outside, IMO. Those inmates have nothing, it won't take much $$ for someone to take him out....even if they aren't offered anything at all, only for the notoriety. He's a goner, no doubt about it.........he won't last long.


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Post by Snaz on Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:23 pm

Yes, Piper... I saw them... and others. (Thanks for posting them.) That's why I can't see him ever making it out of one of those type prisons alive.

I'm sorry, but IMO, he deserves whatever he gets.

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Post by Piper on Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:25 pm

I agree........he deserves whatever is dished out. And he couldn't have chosen a better place for himself than this.
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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:24 pm

Piper,

I believe the reason I think he staged the store and the coffee is that he had to think of a way (after she was killed) to have given Stephany the oppurtunity for her to have looked him up...by saying it was while he went to the store, gives his story the oppurtunity, plus 2 coffees to help facilitate his story of returning and then becoming angry...

I also think he decided to look his name up to see about the U S charges which I so believe he was checking on, as well I wud not be surprised if he had a heads up ....

I believe he methodically created the story he was going to tell (if he got caught)..

Im not sold on the May 31 date ... I will agree that it is very suspicious as looking "planned" that way, however I am still thinking that he is addicted to gambling and borrowed $ from her hoping he cud get away with paying her bak... when it became clear that she wasnt going to go away, I believe he formed the idea then that he wud kill her ...In other words, I think if there was no debt to her, he wud have never killed that night...

Now if it turns out that the 2 missing columbian girls went missing on May 31, and he was with them or connected to them at all. then I wud absolutley believe this date and murder was no coincident....

I also believe his days are numbered.. If prisons are as bad as what I have been reading, I doubt he will ever walk out of there...

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Post by randilynn on Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:33 pm

copied from KH post:
It also criticized the "openness" of the Peruvian police in placing van der Sloot in front of television cameras wearing a bulletproof vest, warning that it could compromise the case against the suspect.

i am perfectly FINE with them loosing the bullet proof vest from now on when they transport him........
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Post by LottieM on Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:40 pm

I posted earlier about the 2 girls missing from Columbia...well, now seems JVMitchell had it checked out and the Columbians are saying they don't know anything about it. In the mean time, Tim Miller is saying he was with Josie Mansur when Josie got a call about it and Josie said he was running the story of 2 missing Columbian girls in his paper tomorrow. I just wanted to update things since the rumors seem to be flying!

About the coffee....I agree that Stefany was dead. Joran probably needed an excuse to go outside the room to see if anyone was acting funny in case they might have heard something. Then it ended up playing for him to use the coffee trip to make up the computer story later...an afterthought.
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Post by Cali on Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:01 am

What an evil POS!! I hope that this time the prosecution experts are called in, to look very carefully at everything the POS claimed happened, and then to SEARCH for the TRUTH, and find it.
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Post by Piper on Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:52 am

He's blaming his victims, both Stephany and Natalee. They have caused him all this trouble.....forced his hand to kill....... barf
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Post by Piper on Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:13 am

FBI cash funded shoot 'slay' trip
Blunder let Natalee creep slip free after 25G payoff meant for mom-extort bust

By DAN MANGAN
Last Updated: 5:11 AM, June 9, 2010
Posted: 3:27 AM, June 9, 2010

Federal agents trying to build an extortion case against Joran van der Sloot secretly gave him the cash that wound up funding his trip to Peru, where he killed a young woman exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, The Post has learned.

Van der Sloot tried to shake down Holloway's mother by offering information about her daughter's 2005 disappearance, and agents decided to set him up with a $25,000 payoff, a source told The Post yesterday.

An intermediary acting under the direction of the FBI gave van der Sloot the dough in Aruba on May 10 -- and four days later, he flew to Peru, where he allegedly murdered 21-year-old Stephany Flores in his Lima hotel room.

Van der Sloot was free to travel because after the money was given to the 22-year-old Dutch national, the feds didn't promptly file charges against him. US authorities also did not ask that he be detained in Aruba, even after officials there warned that he was about to leave the island, the source said.

The failure to stop van der Sloot shocked and infuriated Holloway's mom, Beth Twitty. She had been "told that an arrest was going to happen before he left" Aruba, where he was the last person believed to have seen Holloway alive when she vanished, the source said.

Van der Sloot took his payola from the feds -- a $15,000 wire transfer and $10,000 in cash -- and went to Peru to play poker, the source said.

It was only last Thursday -- hours after van der Sloot was nabbed on the lam in Chile for Flores' murder -- that federal prosecutors in Alabama announced they were charging him with extortion and wire fraud in the Holloway shakedown.

Van der Sloot has confessed to beating Flores and breaking her neck in his hotel room on May 30 -- the fifth anniversary of Holloway's disappearance -- according to the confession he gave Peruvian police.

The suspect said he attacked Flores -- whom he had met at a Lima poker tournament -- because she had looked at his laptop computer without permission and found information about his role in the Holloway case.

"I did not want to do it," van der Sloot told cops, according to La Republica newspaper. "The girl intruded in my private life. She had no right.

"I confronted her. She was frightened, we argued, and she wanted to get away. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her."

Van der Sloot is expected to recreate the crime at the scene for cops today.

A coroner in Lima said Flores likely had been beaten to death with a tennis racket found in the room. A source told CNN that van der Sloot admitted to being high on marijuana during the vicious assault.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/fbi_cash_funded_Tl93VwoKTnWzMPmKeAwrfL#ixzz0qMRAGHRz
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Re: Stephany Flores -- Found Deceased 5/30/10 UPDATE: Joran van der Sloot Confesses!!

Post by khintx on Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:20 am

He said "She slapped me first!" like a petulant 5 y/o who throws dirt in a playmate's face cuz she stuck out her tongue at him on the playground! He is evil. He deserves what ever he gets. I don't believe his "honest confession" is honest at all. He minimizes his actions. Claims to be 'intoxicated on marijuana' (how can I put this, I still know quite few stoners from the old days... none of them have ever committed a brutal murder while under the influence of pot. They might eat all your Cheetos and polish off the ice cream you were saving in your freezer, but it doesn't get much more serious than that!).

I believe he has killed more women in the last 5 years. I don't think this is an isolated incident. Time will tell. Much buzz about LE in Bogata wanting to interview him..... I guess I'll have to see how this plays out before I know if that is true to not.

Exerpt from:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Media/joran-van-der-sloot-paradise-prison/story?id=10860167&page=1

"I was in touch with Joran until right before May 30," the friend told Amesz."He was in Peru, that was known. In Aruba he couldn't deal with it anymore. His relationship with his mother was getting worse, he had gambled money away again. This is what preceded his flight to Peru. Right before the weekend it was clear that Joran was in financial trouble, and he was pretty confused. Driven by hunger, the fear of not being able to pay for his hotel. He desperately needed money. I have never seen Joran so frustrated as in this period."

I can't muster up any sympathy for Joran at all. kh
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Post by khintx on Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:25 am

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/joran-van-der-sloot-growing-link-natalee-holloway/story?id=10863952

(snipped).........

Flores' father, Peruvian politician and race car driver Ricardo Flores,
told ABC News that van der Sloot's laptop "contains valuable information
that may lead to more of Joran's victims."

"I think he killed many others," he said.


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Post by Piper on Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:20 am

Why Peru's police need Joran van der Sloot to reenact killing

By Lucien Chauvin, Correspondent / June 9, 2010
Lima, Peru

Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to reenact his murder of a university student today. He confessed on Monday, but the reenactment of the killing could be crucial to the charges he'll face and how much time he'll spend in prison.

Today, he'll walk police through how he says he killed Flores Ramirez.

Van der Sloot's mother has raised questions about whether the coffession was coerced, according to the family's Dutch lawyer, Bert de Rooji. The attorney told CBS News : "He said, 'I'm being interrogated in a very rude way' … and he said, 'I think they are aiming at a coerced confession." '

The reenactment of the crime, which is standard procedure in Peru, will give van der Sloot an opportunity to show police his version what happened.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2010/0609/Why-Peru-s-police-need-Joran-van-der-Sloot-to-reenact-killing
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Post by Piper on Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:26 am

The arrogance and self-righteousness is so appalling and disgusting.....
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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:34 am

I'm not sold 100% on the scenario that he killed her before he went to get coffee. I have not yet seen video of him carrying the 2 coffee cups back to the room - and I want to see what clothes he was wearing at that point. If he was wearing the same clothes as he was at 5 when they entered together - then I think he killed her after he returned with coffee. If he had changed prior to getting coffee, then I think she was murdered before he left.
NG has reported that he was still in the casino clothes at the time he left to get coffee, but I cannot find a reliable source to back up that statement, and I cannot believe that NG is a reliable source of information - so I wish that one of the reputable news outlets would focus on that - and oddly - I have searched thru several different outlets videos, and can't find him coming in w/ coffee - have they not released that video yet? I see the video where the 2 of them come in and pick the the key and walk into the room, and then the video of him leaving the room alone where he tells the attendant to not bother "his girl" but the video in between of the coffee run is what I can't find - does anyone have a link?

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Post by LottieM on Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:59 am

copied from Piper's post.....Van der Sloot's mother has raised questions about whether the coffession was coerced, according to the family's Dutch lawyer, Bert de Rooji. The attorney told CBS News : "He said, 'I'm being interrogated in a very rude way' … and he said, 'I think they are aiming at a coerced confession." '

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Post by Julie on Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:07 am

Here's ADD's (Sherry's) link for VDS:

Issues With Jane Valez Mitchell-Van Der Sloot Confesses

June 8, 2010

by auntdeedee

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, an international stunner. Cops in Peru say Joran Van Der Sloot has confessed to cold- blooded murder. Police say this monster admitted to grabbing Stephany Flores by the neck and beating her to death. Joran flew into a violent rage after catching this woman investigating his connection to Natalee Holloway.

So why was Flores found only in her panties? Is Joran lying again, hoping for leniency? Could he be a serial killer? And what will this mean to the Holloway investigation? We`ll have live reports from Peru and Aruba.

ISSUES starts now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, stunning fast-breaking developments in the gruesome murder case that has captivated the entire world. Police say Joran Van Der Sloot has confessed to savagely beating 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez to death.

Peruvian newspaper “La Republica” reports police say Joran broke down in tears, sobbed, and admitted he flew into an uncontrollable rage, when he went to get coffee and returned to find Stephany on his laptop computer, looking at information about his connection to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

“La Republica” reports Joran tearfully told police, “I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I approached her. She was scared. She tried to run away. I grabbed her by the neck and hit her,” end quote.

Surveillance cameras caught the very last moments of Stephany`s life. Video shows her with Joran entering his hotel room at the Tac Hotel at about 5 in the morning. Almost four hours later Joran leaves alone. He`s in fresh clothing and carrying a backpack. As he left, he told hotel employees, “Don`t disturb my girl.”

Police believe Stephany was bludgeoned with a tennis racket found near her body. She was discovered on the floor in a fetal position on top of a blood-drenched sheet. She was wearing only a T-shirt and red panties, and her neck was broken.

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Post by Estee on Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:36 am

What a POS he is...I too have known many "stoners" in my day and a person under the influence of pot doesn't do violent things...they are "mellow"...things go slower for them...Now Crack is another thing...it makes one hyper, giving one extra energy and increased adrenaline which can promote increased strength...also makes one temperamental and they can fly off at the touch of a hat...This could also explain why he was broke...Crack is an expensive habit...
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What the Experts Hear in van der Sloot Confession

Post by KariBear on Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:33 pm

What the Experts Hear in van der Sloot Confession

June 8, 2010

Newswires around the world are abuzz today over the reported confession of Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch native arrested last week in a Peruvian woman's murder, but who is perhaps equally infamous for his longtime association with the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Many of those same headlines are dubbing van der Sloot a serial killer, yet experts tell AOL News that's not necessarily the case -- and not just because he was never charged in the Holloway case.

Aliosha Marquez, AP
Peruvian police say Joran van der Sloot has confessed to killing 21-year-old student Stephany Flores.
"He's not abducting women and he's not jumping out of bushes," says D.C.-based criminal profiler Pat Brown, founder of the Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency. "A serial killer does not target people they can be linked to.

"I think the more appropriate term for him is a serial sexual predator," she continues. "He goes after women for one thing and then gets mad when they don't cooperate. That's why, in [the past] five years ... you don't have 100 dead women. Maybe we'll find later there are 20 rape victims, but I don't believe he's killing them."

Van der Sloot, 22, is being held in Peru, where he is the prime suspect in the slaying of Stephany Flores, 21. She was found stabbed to death in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room on June 2, setting off a police manhunt that ended with his arrest in Chile on Thursday.

Brown believes van der Sloot "never intended to kill" Flores, which is why he got caught, she says. "When he's with a girl, he gives his name and everybody knows who he is," she says. "He did not plan to kill anybody -- especially in his own hotel room, with his name attached to it."

For forensic consultant Dr. Park Dietz, van der Sloot may also represent a case of entitlement gone bad. The accused's late father, Paulus van der Sloot, was a wealthy judge with a lot of political clout, whereas his son has seldom -- if ever -- worked and spends the majority of his time inside casinos.

"It is a riches-to-rags story," says Dietz, founder of Park Dietz and Associates in Newport Beach, Calif. "Among the upper crust there is this perpetual problem of failing to pass [on] to their children what really matters in life with respect to values and ethics. ... By and large, we see families in this busy age doing the easy thing, which is to give their children everything except those moral lessons, and it produces a disabled generation."

'I Did Not Want to Do It'

Experts are also mulling why van der Sloot was apparently so eager to implicate himself in Flores' murder.

In the case of Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama woman who vanished in Aruba in May 2005, he was anything but forthcoming, providing several versions of the events regarding her disappearance. But officials say he is willingly providing details of Flores' death.

Dietz tells AOL News he thinks there are "some plausible theories and some implausible theories" about why van der Sloot confessed. The former would include highly skilled police interviewers, van der Sloot's own sense of self-preservation and the appeal of confinement in Peru, where van der Sloot could possibly bribe prison guards or escape, Dietz says.

"The implausible theories would be pangs of conscience, feelings of guilt, remorse or honesty," Dietz says.

Brown says she believes van der Sloot is angling for a lesser sentence. "He told [police] everything they already knew because he had two things going for him: Officials in Peru like confessions and will go easier on you, and secondly, he wanted to get out of a first-degree murder charge."

According to officials in Peru, van der Sloot said he grew angry with Flores when she used his laptop to find out about his involvement in the Holloway case. "I did not want to do it," van der Sloot allegedly said. "The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her and I hit her. She was scared. We argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her."

But the story doesn't sound right to Brown.

"He said, 'I did not want to do it' and 'She had no right,' " Brown says. "I think what he was saying is, 'She didn't want to do it' and 'She had no right to refuse me' " -- as in, Flores refused his sexual advances.

"His story makes no sense," Brown continues, pointing out that Flores was found wearing only a T-shirt and underwear. "[H]e expects us to believe that at 5 in the morning ... [Flores] took her pants off and then suddenly got curious and started Googling him? That's not very conducive of a romantic interlude."

For his part, Dietz says he would not be surprised if van der Sloot eventually retracts his alleged confession and offers up another story about what happened that night.

"A strategy that he apparently has learned ... is that if you mistakenly tell the truth, you might be able to diminish the consequences by radically changing your story and claiming you were lying before," Dietz says. "You can then do it again and again.

"And if you tell enough different versions, no one will know what is true and they won't be able to rely on any confession you've made."

'The Worst of the Worst'

At this time, it's unclear whether van der Sloot agreed to confess in order to avoid the maximum sentence: up to 35 years in Peruvian prison, with eligibility for parole after seven to 17 years.

But no matter how long the prison sentence, if van der Sloot is found guilty, he certainly won't be living the life of luxury he's accustomed to.

"He'll be put in Lurigancho Prison, which is the worst of the worst," Michael Griffith, senior partner at the International Legal Defense Counsel, tells AOL News. "They should have a sign above the door there saying, 'All those who pass this way leave all hope behind.' "

Griffith has counseled and represented clients in more than 40 countries on a variety of charges. His most renowned case, involving an American incarcerated in a Turkish prison, was the basis for the film and book "Midnight Express."

Having visited more than two dozen foreign prisons, Griffith says Lurigancho is in a world of its own.

"There are 35 guys in a room there," he says. "They don't have beds, they go to the bathroom on the floor and the showers run once a week for 15 minutes. Fifty percent of the inmates have AIDS or tuberculosis, and you can die from eating the food."

If convicted and sent to Lurigancho, van der Sloot would be in considerable danger, Griffith says. "Let me put it to you like this," he says. "You have 10,000 guys in a prison with 3,000 beds. Eighty percent of these guys have nothing. A hundred bucks will carry them for four months, so they'll stand in line [to be paid] to cut his throat."

Beyond what van der Sloot might face if convicted and locked up, there's the question of what might happen after he's released. Would such a man still be a danger to society? According to Dietz, that depends.

"There is an interesting controversy on whether career criminals burn out with time," Dietz explains. "For many years, it was believed that they tended to get less dangerous as they aged." According to a number of studies, he says, "by and large it looks as though [the danger] diminishes past age 40.

"But the short answer is someone who has killed more than once can never be regarded as safe enough to release."

'Let All the Shoes Drop'

Neither Brown nor Dietz believes that van der Sloot's alleged confession or possible imprisonment will result in any new details in the Holloway case. However, Harold Copus --- a former FBI agent who worked the Holloway investigation as a private detective -- is more hopeful.

"There are people in the Holloway case [who are gathering in Peru] in anticipation that part of the negotiations for a reduced sentence includes van der Sloot giving info on Natalee," says Copus, who heads up Copus Security Consultants in Atlanta. "There should be some people quaking in their boots in Aruba right now."

Copus adds that Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, is anxious for closure in the case.

"Beth and her family have been jerked from pillar to post every time there has been a new confession from van der Sloot," Copus says. "She just wants to wait and let all the shoes drop."

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Post by Piper on Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:00 pm

Joran Van der Sloot ate breakfast, drank coffee as he mulled fate of Stephany Flores' body

By Michael Sheridan
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, June 9th 2010, 12:24 PM

The chilling details of Joran Van der Sloot's alleged confession paint the picture of a cold-blooded killer.

The young Dutchman reportedly told Peruvian investigators he sat and sipped an espresso in his hotel room while the dead body of Stephany Flores lay sprawled on the floor, according to La Republica.

"I was going to use one of the traveling bags to take the body out of the hotel," Van der Sloot told police, the Spanish-language paper reports. "I didn't because I was afraid to be confronted because I was leaving without paying."

The 22-year-old ate several biscuits and reportedly took several amphetamine pills as he considered what to do with his alleged victim.

Fearing he would be caught, the paper reports, Van der Sloot showered, got dressed - leaving his clothes from the night before on the bed - and fled at 8:45 a.m. on May 30, less than three hours after he'd arrived at the hotel with Flores.

Authorities believe Van der Sloot had possibly thought to get rid of the body in the ocean, based on maps charting currents found in his backpack when he was arrested in Chile.

The body of 21-year-old Flores was found in Van der Sloot's room at Hotel Tac last week. The Dutch citizen was arrested days later in Chile, after fleeing Peru.

According to earlier reports, Van der Sloot allegedly killed Flores after she used his laptop and learned of his involvement in the Natalee Halloway disappearance in 2005. He is widely suspected of murdering the young Alabama high school student.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/06/09/2010-06-09_joran_van_der_sloot_ate_breakfast_as_he_mulled_fate_of_stephany_flores_body_repo.html#ixzz0qNNFhGac
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Post by Piper on Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:04 pm

You all were right, she was dead when he left to get coffee.........he is a cold blooded killer. Apparently, he was also considering dumping her body in the ocean.....he had maps of currents. He sure is giving a lot of detail.
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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:28 pm

I cant see that monster wud willingly leave a girl in his room, while he goes and picks up some bread and coffee...

It is just so inconsistent from anything we have seen from him, even from his own mouth...

The way he spoke of poor Natalee, and how she frothed at the mouth while he referred to her using horrible names that I cud never even repeat, tells me that he wudnt be the type to do anything for anyone ..including getting a coffee.. I doubt he wud ever leave his computer with anyone..

He is paranoid, self centred, and has shown us the ability of deep coldness and callous behavior towards fellow man...

I can only see that he did this for his own purpose which was to facilitate his upcoming " confession" for if and when he got caught...

Just like him saying she did a search on his name.. I believe he totally manipulated the whole story..

He took his brutal senseless killing and added things (coffee and the name search) into the story...

He prolly needed a coffee after he finished the killing as he knew he wud have a long day ahead of him, and then figured he wud incorporate his gentlemenaly gesture of going to get them coffee.. He then came bak had the bread and coffee and did the search for his name to see if the charges were filed and if he was being sought for...

He didnt know what route he wud take for escape and to elude justice without seeing he if he was in Breaking news anywhere...

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Post by khintx on Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:07 pm

Why Peru's police need Joran van der Sloot to reenact killing

By Lucien Chauvin Lucien Chauvin
Wed Jun 9, 9:31 am ET

Lima, Peru – Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national who has confessed to killing a university student here, is scheduled to reenact today the events that led to the murder.

Peru’s investigative police will lead Mr. van der Sloot to the casino where he met Stephany Flores and then to the Hotel Tac, where she was killed on May 30.

According to police sources, van der Sloot told investigating officers that he had gone out to get coffee for himself and Ms. Flores Ramirez early on May 30. When he returned, he found her using his laptop computer. He reportedly said that she was looking at information about the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and recognized that he had been accused of murdering Ms. Holloway.

That's when van der Sloot flew off the handle and beat Flores Ramirez to death, according to police reports of his confession.

"The girl intruded into my private life," he told investigators, according to Peru's La Republica newspaper. "She had no right. I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her."

Today, he'll walk police through the way he says he killed Flores Ramirez.

Van der Sloot's mother has raised questions about whether the confession was coerced, according to the family's Dutch lawyer, Bert de Rooji. The attorney told CBS News: "He said, 'I'm being interrogated in a very rude way'...and he said, 'I think they are aiming at a coerced confession.'"

The reenactment of the crime, which is standard procedure in Peru, will give van der Sloot an opportunity to show police his version of what happened.

“The reenactment is necessary because officers can visually see what was taking place when the crime was committed. It lets officers establish if there are inconsistencies in a defendant’s statement,” says Carlos Neyra, a spokesperson for the investigative police.

Reenactment may be key to charges and jail time

The crime scene walkthrough could also determine the kind of sentence van der Sloot receives here.

His version suggests that the murder was not premeditated as has been speculated, because of the fact that Flores’ murder occurred on the fifth anniversary of Holloway's disappearancet. Van der Sloot has been called the "May 30 serial killer" in the Peruvian press.

His account would also rule out robbery as a motive.

These facts are crucial, because the charge of homicide or second-degree murder carries a sentence as low as 15 years. With good behavior, study and work in a Peruvian prison, van der Sloot could, hypothetically, be released within seven years.

In this scenario, he would not yet be 30 years old when released.

Premeditated murder, on the other hand, carries a 30-year sentence and conditions for parole are much narrower.

Aggravated robbery, which is when the victim is killed in a robbery, is the worst-case scenario from van der Sloot's perspective. This crime in on the table, because there is testimony that Flores Ramirez won about $1,000 playing poker the night before she was murdered and that van der Sloot killed her to steal the cash.

He would be sentenced to life if officers establish this as the crime.

Three more days to complete investigation

Police had originally planned to reenact the crime on Tuesday, but they did not receive notification from the prosecutor’s office.

It is now scheduled for Wednesday, but no time has been specified.

Under the warrant issued for van der Sloot, the police have seven days from June 5 to complete the investigation. The prosecutor’s office will then determine the charges that will be filed''


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Don't ya just hate it when the police get rude about committing a cold blooded murder?
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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:13 pm

For once, I agree with Brown.. I doubt his intentions were to kill her. I think money and sex are his motives and his bad temper and lack of controling himself, led to Natalees and Stehpanys killing.. and prolly others too.. When he doesnt get what ever it is he is looking for he resorts to killing in cold blood without losing once ounce sleep...

He has no purpose on this earth.....

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Post by Snaz on Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:32 pm

It is amazing to me that aggravated robbery carries a life sentence in Peru... and premeditated murder only carries at most a 30 year sentence.

Something is most definitely wrong with that picture. Seems to me it should be the other way around. What is worse than someone PLANNING a murder and then CARRYING it out?? And, personally, I think Joran PREMEDITATES all of the murders he has committed (and I think before it's over, we will find out there are more than just Natalee and Stephany). After all, it only takes as little as a second to premeditate a murder.

The Peruvian system of justice IMO is just screwy.

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Post by Estee on Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:40 pm

And now Jean Casares is reporting that the re-enactment might not be done...It is not needed...Let's just hope that it is deemed that the murder occurred as part of a robbery....That way he can get LIFE...
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Post by Julie on Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:15 pm

Snaz wrote:It is amazing to me that aggravated robbery carries a life sentence in Peru... and premeditated murder only carries at most a 30 year sentence.

Something is most definitely wrong with that picture. Seems to me it should be the other way around. What is worse than someone PLANNING a murder and then CARRYING it out?? And, personally, I think Joran PREMEDITATES all of the murders he has committed (and I think before it's over, we will find out there are more than just Natalee and Stephany). After all, it only takes as little as a second to premeditate a murder.

The Peruvian system of justice IMO is just screwy.

I agree, this seems so backwards!

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:08 pm

So I wonder where he was on May 30th for the last 4 years???
I can't believe that this day is just another day in the life of Joran van der Sloot and that he operates business as usual. There is NO WAY i could ever believe that is just coincidence - never in a million... what a way to celebrate...
I am getting frustrated at ppl who are implying that that the FBI is ultimately responsible because of the sting in which they provided him the money to fund his vacation to Peru - I do think it's unfortunate - but in a way I do applaud them for trying to get him on SOMETHING!! HE was the one who contacted Natalee's family - how painful could that have been for her mother, for him to taunt her the way he did - saying I'll give you her body if you give me money - what mother wouldn't cooperate?? she calls FBI, they set up the sting, but hold off for concrete evidence (a body) to pursue even better charges of murder in the 1st degree... no one could have forseen what would have happened, and ultimately it is JORAN alone who is responsible for ALL of this - the murder of Natalee, the extortion and the murder of Stephany. He has made his own bed, now it looks like he'll be sleeping on a dirt floor where he and 34 other monsters urinate - good for him - i can't think of a more fitting punishment... he won't last a day.

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Post by khintx on Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:03 pm

Joran has anger issues. Power issues. And compulsivity issues. He is not in Aruba anymore. His dad is not there to cover up his messes or hide them. The Aruban's were
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Post by LottieM on Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:01 pm

Here's what I think....

Joran set up the extortion thing on purpose in order to use the money to go somewhere and kill a girl on the Anniversary of Natalee's death...it was planned that way and he did set out to kill on that day....it was a big 'in your face' to Beth Holloway because he's a sick sick sick person!

It's kind of like Casey using pictures of Caylee to get money for her defense from killing her. A big 'in your face'! I wouldn't doubt at this point that Casey planned to kill Caylee and then use her to pay for her defense all along, and that's why she removed the pics of Caylee from her photobucket account.

I'm so looking forward to Joran being in one of those 'wonderful' jails in Peru! I wish we had one here for Casey.
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Post by FystyAngel on Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:27 pm

I, too, think Joran made his bed. I'm glad that he's finally caught. Even though there is talk that he could possibly only get 20 years, I don't believe he'll make it that long in THAT prison.

I would also bet that there are more missing women, when all is said & done. He truly believed that he got away with Natalie's death. I've been hearing about Columbia investigating two missing girls from the time frame Joran was there. I'd bet my bottom dollar that he is involved with them being missing.

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Post by khintx on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:48 am

I guess one of the reasons that reports get a bit confusing here is the language issue and different translations. I have read accouts (depending on who is translating) that Joran sipped coffee/expresso and ate bread/bisquiet/sponge cake while trying to decide what to do with Stephany's body. That will probably continue to be an issue when trying to keep up with this case.

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Post by Piper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:50 am

I agree kh, the translation can be a problem. I've been reading Spanish articles, translating them into English with the magic "Translate" button on my toolbar...it doesn't always make sense. I think that's how the original reports said she was beaten with a bat, when in fact it was a tennis racquet...the error was in translation.
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Post by khintx on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:04 am

Peru police give Joran van der Sloot case to prosecutors, saying case so complete no need for crime scene walk-through

Published: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 6:13 AM
Updated: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 6:41 AM

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/peru_police_give_joran_van_der.html

LIMA, Peru -- Joran van der Sloot 's confession in the murder of a 21-year-old woman -- allegedly smashing her face and strangling her -- was so complete that police decided there was no need to take him to the crime scene for a walk-through, according to Peru's criminal police chief.

A man browses at a newspaper stand selling papers bearing the images of Joran van der Sloot in Lima, Peru, on Wednesday. Peruvian police announced that the Dutch citizen has confessed to killing a young Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room on May 30. (AP)

The case against the young Dutchman, who also remains the lone suspect in the Natalee Holloway missing-teenager case, goes to prosecutors Thursday so they can file formal charges, said the official, Gen. Cesar Guardia.

"We've practically closed the case," he told The Associated Press. "He's confessed with a wealth of details that have been corroborated through criminal investigative rigor."

Guardia denied any suggestion that Van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.

If tried and convicted on murder charges, Van der Sloot would face from 15 to 35 years in prison.

What remains unresolved is the May 30, 2005 disappearance of Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba.

Efforts by the FBI to try to resolve it may have inadvertently helped fund the travel that enabled the murder -- exactly five years to the day after the Alabama teen vanished -- of Lima business student Stephany Flores.

Believing it was closing in on Van der Sloot, the FBI videotaped and paid him $25,000 in a sting operation in Aruba last month, investigators told the AP. But it held off on arresting him, and he took the money and flew to Peru.

Peruvian interrogators restricted their questioning of Van der Sloot to the case of Flores, the daughter of a circus promoter and former race car driver whom he met playing poker at a casino, Guardia said.

He told the AP in an interview Wednesday evening that the 6-foot-3 Van der Sloot, 22, impressed investigators with both his intelligence and brutality.

"He grabbed her and smashed her with an elbow," Guardia said, pointing to his own nose. "A lot of blood spewed out ... Then he strangles her and throws her to the floor."
"He is irascible. He has no self-control," Guardia said.

The general said Van der Sloot took Flores' cash, about $300 (U.S.) worth of Peruvian currency, and two credit cards.

Guardia said Van der Sloot attested in his confession to killing Flores because she found out about the Aruba case by using his laptop without his permission. But he said police didn't necessarily believe him and think he may have killed Flores before going out and returning to the room with two cups of coffee and rolls.

"This guy is very intelligent but at times has lapses," said Guardia. "And the truth is that he is not a person in possession of all his senses."

A psychological examination is pending, he said.

Van der Sloot is also getting plenty to eat, Guardia said. "If he wants a steak we give him a steak ... If he wants a cigarette we give him cigarettes."

The evidence against the Dutchman includes hotel security camera video showing Flores and Van der Sloot entering his hotel room together and the Dutchman leaving alone four hours later.

"The incriminatory elements were so powerful that he had to confess," said Guardia.
Van der Sloot confessed, police say, on his third full day in police custody and a full week after he fled into northern Chile.

He was charged with extortion in the United States on June 2, the day of his arrest in Chile, in a case U.S. law officers and a private investigator say stemmed from work revived in April when Van der Sloot contacted a lawyer for Holloway's mother. The Dutchman was seeking $250,000 in exchange for the location of the young woman's body, they said.

Van der Sloot's father died in February and he "wanted to come clean, but he also wanted money," the private investigator, Bo Dietl, told the AP.

Holloway's family said they wanted closure and the attorney, John Kelly, contacted the FBI. It sent 10 to 12 agents to Aruba who set up a sting operation, added Dietl, who works with Kelly.

In the operation, Van der Sloot was given $10,000 in cash -- another $15,000 was wired to a bank account in his name -- and told he'd get $225,000 once the body was found, the investigator said.

Van der Sloot was secretly videotaped by the FBI in an Aruba hotel telling Kelly he pushed Holloway down, she hit her head on a rock and died, he added.

He said he then contacted his father, who helped him bury the body, Dietl added.
Under surveillance by the FBI, Kelley and Van der Sloot went to where the body supposedly was buried.

No body has been found.

The investigation of Van der Sloot in the Holloway case was simply not far enough along to have him arrested, the FBI and the U.S. attorney's office in Birmingham said Wednesday.

However, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy quickly asked FBI Director Robert Mueller for an explanation of "exactly what happened in this case and the basis for all actions taken by the FBI."

The federal criminal complaint in the case says Van der Sloot got a partial payment of $15,000 wired to a Netherlands bank on or around May 10.

It did not say where the money came from.

In a statement Wednesday, the FBI said only that the payment came from private funds. Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, has refused to discuss details of the case and Dietl said he didn't know the money's origin.

Van der Sloot was the last person seen with her daughter before the girl vanished on the last night of a high school graduation trip. He was arrested twice but released both times for a lack of evidence.

Flores' family was asked Wednesday for comment on the fact that Van der Sloot traveled to Peru less than a week after receiving the cash in the extortion sting.

Enrique Flores, one of the slain Peruvian woman's brothers, said, "My sister is dead, so I can't accomplish anything by thinking about what might have been."

"Neither I nor the family are thinking about all the things that could have happened but did not."
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Post by khintx on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:32 am

Okay, this is interesting article but not a very good translation from Dutch (Google translation only). It is an article by Peter de Vries - if you remember he did the 'sting' on Joran some time ago. Apparently he has gotten text messages from a unnamed girlfriend of Joran's over the past few week and has written this new article about Joran. kh

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Our editors have in recent months received numerous e-mails, which highlights the need for money which Joran wrong. He invented everything to raise money and shrank not to return to his family and friends to shake money out of pocket. Even the savings of his deceased father and scholarship of his brother were not safe cracker Joran. Very illustrative of the uncertain position of Joran shortly before the events in Peru wrong, is an MSN conversation between Joran and a friend, who we recently made available.

Below are some significant fragments, which we name the friend to withhold for privacy reasons and replaced them by the letter X. For readability, the MSN jargon converted to normal Dutch. The first release is as of May 25, more than two weeks before the murder so Stephany Flores was committed. Sat Joran was already in Peru.

Joran van der Sloot

Joran, May 25 at 7:44 p.m. - Hi, I'm currently in Peru. You can call me at XXX. I need your help. My wallet with all my bank cards and cash was stolen yesterday and I lost it during the night, so I'm currently really dick. Could you give me the morning to send 200 euros? I promise you it will double again as soon as I get back to Aruba and my bank cards won again. But I do not even have money to eat. I have asked many friends, but one can only send 100 euros and the other only 300. My return ticket is 520 and I still pay my Hotel. I would never forget and promise you really like the double return. I would just leave now because I can at the moment nothing. Thank you and the only information you need is my name Joran van der Sloot, the city of Lima Peru and the country. I'll really be eternally grateful.
Regards, Joran.

May 26 at 14:00 - Hey, number not available there and I'll give you mine it. XXX, I like your song. I want to give ... even though I myself desperately needed, but do it because you are. I can give 100 euros, that's all I'm standing on my couch. Only I've never paid what. Help me ff then, do not know how to do it haha! But you get no letter or anything at home yet, I can say, yes I lost it.

May 26 at 18:47 - My dear, you really want to have tomorrow?Please reply ff. Better if you can call me after half past eight.

Joran, May 26 at 21:50 - Yes, if you can do would really help. Pins and then you stop by the Western Union and send Joran van der Sloot in Lima, Peru. That is the only information you need. Then you get really no letter home or so and I can pick up here at Western Union. Thanks and I try to call you later.

X, May 26 at 9:53 p.m. - Yeah, sure, you never call me! Dat weet ik I know ;-) And you have not lost money, I think playing poker or something, but it does not matter where you need the money, I give you. And where is that Western Union in Arnhem?

.Joran, May 26 at 9:56 p.m. - Yep, in Arnhem, look online, you can find the closest, there are a lot. Really thanks, have another friend who sends me another 100 euros, so then I save it. Love, Joran.

X, May 26 at 10:31 p.m. - Yes, and what do I get in return? That you call me or come and once we have a nice day / evening, whether I can come to Aruba? But I still had something to do, because you found me drama. Hence, among other things, you ask me. But if I did not give, would you still want to contact me?

Joran, May 26 at 11:25 p.m. - Now I trust that is the problem. So if you're not going to do you have to say. Do you have, you get double me back when I am in Aruba. But if you're not going to do you have to say, because I must think of something else. With you and my other friend, I finally had enough, so please, do it differently and let me know that you are not going to do. Love.

Joran and Stephany few hours before the murder

X, May 27 at 5:47 - Well, I would gladly do so because you're .. If you do it half early June, then I can give you up to 300. It is my phone bill was 270 euros. Gio tired and I do. Sorry that I promised, in June if you have no money or need for something, let me know ok? Sorry honey! Sorry honey!

Joran, May 27 at 8:52 p.m. - Say no equal. I have enough money, now just need help and counting on, I'd like you really hear the double return. But never mind, my mom is helping me already. okay. Leave me alone, okay. Greetings and success.

X, May 27 at 9:04 p.m. - Whahah, oh, so with that I could only make up and now you're mad, oh baby, not raised, there are worse people in your life. ;-) Haha, and I suppose you could give (because now you no longer need) when I get it back? And ps: what is this crazy site, everything is in English.

Joran, May 27 at 9:24 p.m. - I told you twice returned as soon as I was in Aruba, but you're the only talk and nothing else. I always keep my word and take good care of people like you, so what you do not understand? Leave me alone. If you do not help me when I most need now, then you have no value for me. If you had asked me for help I had done it right. Greetings and success in your life.

The laptop Joran would become fatal Stephany

Malignant

So much for the chat session between Joran and X, which clearly is to conclude that Joran was beaten severely at the begging. At first he tried to glue his girlfriend, promising twice the amount advanced to be repaid, but he suggests that if X she momentarily turn Joran is tight like a leaf on tree and he is downright evil. The X is perhaps fortunate that the heated debate is not in the seclusion of a hotel room or on a deserted beach Aruban played.

Although the course is quite possible that Joran has committed the murder out of anger at the gegluur in his laptop, but also makes the instant messaging conversation suspect another motive. Joran was clearly on the rocks and went still further in his efforts to raise money. Stephany Flores, daughter of a wealthy businessman, had money. And maybe that, coupled with its refusal to issue her that morning became fatal.

Henk Strootman Henk Strootman
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Re: Stephany Flores -- Found Deceased 5/30/10 UPDATE: Joran van der Sloot Confesses!!

Post by Piper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:18 am

And here we go again..........

Van der Sloot attorney says he will try to strike confession

By the CNN Wire StaffJune 10, 2010 -- Updated 1345 GMT (2145 HKT)

Lima, Peru (CNN) -- The attorney for Peru murder suspect Joran van der Sloot said he's going to ask the judge in charge of the case to strike down his client's confession in the death of 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez.

Lawyer Maximo Altez told CNN affiliate Panamericana TV in an interview that aired Thursday that he would challenge the confession because van der Sloot was not being properly represented at the time he was interrogated.

Van der Sloot, a longtime suspect in the disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway five years ago in Aruba, was arrested last week in connection with Flores' slaying.

Flores' body was found in a hotel room registered to van der Sloot. Hotel surveillance video shows the pair entering his room and van der Sloot leaving alone more than three hours later.

Altez said Flores attacked van der Sloot first, after he confronted her for going through his computer. Police said Flores was badly beaten and suffered a broken neck.

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Post by khintx on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:31 am

He can ask all he wants. Ain't gonna happen. kh
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Post by Piper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:43 am

I agree, kh. That Dutch article you posted is very telling of the way he works....
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Post by Piper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:46 am

Van der Sloot Called "Homicidal Maniac" by P.I.
Beau Dietl: I Was Inside Attempted FBI Sting; I Looked Him in Eye; "This Is a Bad Guy"

June 10, 2010

A private investigator who was inside the attempted FBI sting of murder suspect Joran van der Sloot says the Dutchman is a "homicidal maniac."

Van der Sloot, 22, is being held in Peru in the death of 21-year-old business student Stephany Flores.


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Post by Piper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:38 am

Van der Sloot's Meeting with Flores

Newly-released video from a Lima, Peru casino shows Stephanie Flores' first meeting with Joran van der Sloot. Elaine Quijano reports.

June 10, 2010


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