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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon May 14, 2012 4:54 pm

Stolat wrote:
Honeysage wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Exclusive: Recording from day Isabel vanished



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.

bringing this forward...video and transcript from JVM show re: dispatch calls

Thanks Honeysage! It was speculated that the brother placed the call while the dad and other brother went to canvas the area. So my guess is that the dad & brother are walking the streets and the other brother stays behidn and calls 911. The 911 dispatcher may have mistaken the brother's voice as being that of a girl (hey, if he's a chip off the old block, it's not a stretch, right?). So when the brother said Isabel was his sister, the dispatcher very likely mistook that to mean that the caller was female and therefore was the sister of Isabel and transcribed it as such.

So the transcripts confirm that mom was en route back home from work and not yet at home. This means Becky was called before 911. Why? Dunno. Maybe to confirm with her that Becky did not have Isabel??

The real question to me becomes -- was Sergio even ever in the house overnight once everyone got to bed??? Not only do I want to know who was the last to see Isa .... I want to know who was the last to see Sergio? And when?? Was he at home. It it possible he was just strolling in at 8am and the kids had been alone from the time their mom had left for work?

Those are very interesting questions. I am very concerned about the fact that he is not allowed to be in contact with his sons, that is an unusual measure if the police doesn't believe that he is somehow involved with Isabel's disappearance.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon May 14, 2012 5:04 pm

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Post by Ann - Tx on Mon May 14, 2012 5:08 pm

Wow! This thread is awesome! I am behind in the Isabel Celis case. I'll have to come here to catch up.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 5:13 pm

Honeysage wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Exclusive: Recording from day Isabel vanished



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.

bringing this forward...video and transcript from JVM show re: dispatch calls

There is a catholic church next door to the Celis residence.

I am wondering if someone had gone there to inquire about Isa and if a nun had made the call while Sergio and the older boy continued to ask after Isa in the neighborhood.

I am referring to call 2.

I see there may have been at least 2 calls placed to 911.

I hear two different dispatch voices.

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Post by Stolat on Mon May 14, 2012 5:25 pm

Tamta wrote:
Honeysage wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Exclusive: Recording from day Isabel vanished



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.

bringing this forward...video and transcript from JVM show re: dispatch calls

There is a catholic church next door to the Celis residence.

I am wondering if someone had gone there to inquire about Isa and if a nun had made the call while Sergio and the older boy continued to ask after Isa in the neighborhood.

I am referring to call 2.

I see there may have been at least 2 calls placed to 911.

I hear two different dispatch voices.


Yes Tamta - and how convenient would it be for a nun to maintain family confidentiality for all confessions LOL!

I too had heard about the "Sister Act" ... it has interesting merit - although I'll hold my breath waiting for a chick in a Habit to show up on the witness list.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 5:51 pm

http://www.kvoa.com/livestream/

livestream link 3pm PCT press conference...10 minute countdown.

i will transcribe and post (got lollipops to keep my kids quiet!)
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 5:52 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:
Stolat wrote:
Honeysage wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Exclusive: Recording from day Isabel vanished



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.

bringing this forward...video and transcript from JVM show re: dispatch calls

Thanks Honeysage! It was speculated that the brother placed the call while the dad and other brother went to canvas the area. So my guess is that the dad & brother are walking the streets and the other brother stays behidn and calls 911. The 911 dispatcher may have mistaken the brother's voice as being that of a girl (hey, if he's a chip off the old block, it's not a stretch, right?). So when the brother said Isabel was his sister, the dispatcher very likely mistook that to mean that the caller was female and therefore was the sister of Isabel and transcribed it as such.

So the transcripts confirm that mom was en route back home from work and not yet at home. This means Becky was called before 911. Why? Dunno. Maybe to confirm with her that Becky did not have Isabel??

The real question to me becomes -- was Sergio even ever in the house overnight once everyone got to bed??? Not only do I want to know who was the last to see Isa .... I want to know who was the last to see Sergio? And when?? Was he at home. It it possible he was just strolling in at 8am and the kids had been alone from the time their mom had left for work?

Those are very interesting questions. I am very concerned about the fact that he is not allowed to be in contact with his sons, that is an unusual measure if the police doesn't believe that he is somehow involved with Isabel's disappearance.

Alessandra,

I am turning towards the opinion that perhaps CPS involvement could be an advisory one in that LE may see a potential offedender-non offending mother family dynamic here, which could bring any case to a freeze.

It is hard to speculate with out knowing what it is that LE has observed that sought them to warrant the assessment by CPS and the subsequent VOLUNTARY agreement of no contact.

These things come to mind:

-are there indications that the other children need to be protected at least as witnesses if nothing else.

-observation of becky with out the hovering of Serge: will her cooperation change because of the emotional shift brought about by separation from Sergio.

-Is Isabel's disappearance a clarifying event for Becky and with light of new information: evidence or LE maybe sharing with Becky that Sergio (if suspected) is trying to spread the blame, will she change her position and will different testimony come to light from her. Will this make her see things in their home in a different way, that she was unable to have seen before because of sheer life and the influence of her husband.

-It gives LE the opportunity to do more behavioral analysis that may help weigh evidence obtained so far.

There definitely is the possibility of family dynamic that could stagnate this investigation and I think for that alone LE was very wise to attempt this now. The way that they have done it, VOLUNTARILY, has for the moment delayed the involvement of legal counsel for Sergio and Becky which really would have put the kabosh on finding the truth about Isabel.

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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 6:20 pm

Monday May 14, 2012 Press Conference
sorry-missed some, kept losing my feed

-LE information developed, contacted CPS who entered into voluntary agreement with father (Sergio)
-boys with Rebecca (their mother)
-no restricitons between Sergio and Rebecca
-Sergio voluntarily agreed with CPS to stay away from children
-name and # of CPS spokesperson (fore media only-not given to public)
-searches: lakes, landfills
-357/540 sex offenders in area procliivity to youth; will be recanvassed
-over 1,000 tips
-audio recordings of 911 will be released to media today
-LE understanding Becky/Sergio were still together at time of Isa disappearance
-LE not contacted by any attorneys
-info LE received which prompted CPS came from interviews
-no info re: boys being in therapy or not
-LE is coming from "what can we prove?" (reporter saying perp has outsmarted LE)
-whether they had blood or DNA would not be discussed to media (response to reporter)
-will not comment what caused CPS/Sergio agreement to separate from boys
-LE still in daily contact with Sergio/Becky, continue to cooperate
-have not eliminated any possibilities
-next briefing Thursday at 2:00

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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 6:23 pm

Honeysage wrote:Monday May 14, 2012 Press Conference
sorry-missed some, kept losing my feed

-LE information developed, contacted CPS who entered into voluntary agreement with father (Sergio)
-boys with Rebecca (their mother)
-no restricitons between Sergio and Rebecca
-Sergio voluntarily agreed with CPS to stay away from children
-name and # of CPS spokesperson (fore media only-not given to public)
-searches: lakes, landfills
-357/540 sex offenders in area procliivity to youth; will be recanvassed
-over 1,000 tips
-audio recordings of 911 will be released to media today
-LE understanding Becky/Sergio were still together at time of Isa disappearance
-LE not contacted by any attorneys
-info LE received which prompted CPS came from interviews
-no info re: boys being in therapy or not
-LE is coming from "what can we prove?" (reporter saying perp has outsmarted LE)
-whether they had blood or DNA would not be discussed to media (response to reporter)
-will not comment what caused CPS/Sergio agreement to separate from boys
-LE still in daily contact with Sergio/Becky, continue to cooperate
-have not eliminated any possibilities
-next briefing Thursday at 2:00


Thanks.

Maybe I need to buy lollipops!
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 6:33 pm

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18389824/tpd-to-release-911-tapes-from-celis-case-today
TPD to release 911 tapes from Celis case today

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villaseñor said the 911 audio tapes from that morning would be released to the media after today's press briefing.

Tucson News Now will post the 911 audio as soon as possible.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 6:46 pm

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/tucson-police-isabel-s-dad-voluntarily-agreed-to-stay-away/article_e7c41468-9dec-11e1-b1f1-001a4bcf887a.html
Tucson police: Isabel's dad voluntarily agreed to stay away from sons

He said Sergio and Becky Celis are still cooperating with the investigation, but he said the relationship between the parents and police is "somewhat more strained now."

Villasenor said as far as he knew, neither parent has any attorney.




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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 6:56 pm

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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 6:59 pm

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151452075.html
Chief Villasenor: "Don't read too much into this"

Chief Villasenor said there are currently 12-15 investigators following up on external viewpoints. Four investigators are following up on the family involvement in the case.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon May 14, 2012 7:05 pm

Tamta wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:
Stolat wrote:
Honeysage wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/jvm-isabel-celis-audio-recording

Exclusive: Recording from day Isabel vanished



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A possible kidnapping at 5602 East 12th. Complainant woke up, and their 6-year-old daughter is gone. They`ve searched the house. The window was found open, and the screen was outside on the ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In reference to East 12th, the missing 6-year- old female, light brown hair, hazel eyes, about 40 pounds. Last seen in a pink tank top and navy blue shorts when she was put to bed.

Complainant`s actually going to be the sister, and it looks like the mom is en route.

bringing this forward...video and transcript from JVM show re: dispatch calls

Thanks Honeysage! It was speculated that the brother placed the call while the dad and other brother went to canvas the area. So my guess is that the dad & brother are walking the streets and the other brother stays behidn and calls 911. The 911 dispatcher may have mistaken the brother's voice as being that of a girl (hey, if he's a chip off the old block, it's not a stretch, right?). So when the brother said Isabel was his sister, the dispatcher very likely mistook that to mean that the caller was female and therefore was the sister of Isabel and transcribed it as such.

So the transcripts confirm that mom was en route back home from work and not yet at home. This means Becky was called before 911. Why? Dunno. Maybe to confirm with her that Becky did not have Isabel??

The real question to me becomes -- was Sergio even ever in the house overnight once everyone got to bed??? Not only do I want to know who was the last to see Isa .... I want to know who was the last to see Sergio? And when?? Was he at home. It it possible he was just strolling in at 8am and the kids had been alone from the time their mom had left for work?

Those are very interesting questions. I am very concerned about the fact that he is not allowed to be in contact with his sons, that is an unusual measure if the police doesn't believe that he is somehow involved with Isabel's disappearance.

Alessandra,

I am turning towards the opinion that perhaps CPS involvement could be an advisory one in that LE may see a potential offedender-non offending mother family dynamic here, which could bring any case to a freeze.

It is hard to speculate with out knowing what it is that LE has observed that sought them to warrant the assessment by CPS and the subsequent VOLUNTARY agreement of no contact.

These things come to mind:

-are there indications that the other children need to be protected at least as witnesses if nothing else.

-observation of becky with out the hovering of Serge: will her cooperation change because of the emotional shift brought about by separation from Sergio.

-Is Isabel's disappearance a clarifying event for Becky and with light of new information: evidence or LE maybe sharing with Becky that Sergio (if suspected) is trying to spread the blame, will she change her position and will different testimony come to light from her. Will this make her see things in their home in a different way, that she was unable to have seen before because of sheer life and the influence of her husband.

-It gives LE the opportunity to do more behavioral analysis that may help weigh evidence obtained so far.

There definitely is the possibility of family dynamic that could stagnate this investigation and I think for that alone LE was very wise to attempt this now. The way that they have done it, VOLUNTARILY, has for the moment delayed the involvement of legal counsel for Sergio and Becky which really would have put the kabosh on finding the truth about Isabel.


You made some very good points. It all makes sense.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 7:08 pm

http://blog.livenewschat.tv/the-nancy-grace-room/

livestream for HLN

currently working on 911 tapes...

-JVM just announced her producer stated 1st call made by older son
-2nd call came from Becky, she called 911 once she got home from work

(i did say early on i bet dispatcher confused voices, my kids sound same on the phone)

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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 7:13 pm

http://www.kvoa.com/full-coverage/finding-isabel/

Latest Update TPD: Celis father seperates from his boys voluntarily at CPS request

Press conference summary and video at link
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 7:14 pm

Honeysage wrote:http://blog.livenewschat.tv/the-nancy-grace-room/

livestream for HLN

currently working on 911 tapes...

-JVM just announced her producer stated 1st call made by older son
-2nd call came from Becky, she called 911 once she got home from work

(i did say early on i bet dispatcher confused voices, my kids sound same on the phone)


Wow!

I would think that they would have established the relationship of the caller to the incident?

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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 7:29 pm

Tamta wrote:
Honeysage wrote:http://blog.livenewschat.tv/the-nancy-grace-room/

livestream for HLN

currently working on 911 tapes...

-JVM just announced her producer stated 1st call made by older son
-2nd call came from Becky, she called 911 once she got home from work

(i did say early on i bet dispatcher confused voices, my kids sound same on the phone)


Wow!

I would think that they would have established the relationship of the caller to the incident?


Becky just stated on 911 call she went to work at 7:00!!!!! JVM won't release audio of boy since he is a minor.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 7:33 pm

Honeysage wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Honeysage wrote:http://blog.livenewschat.tv/the-nancy-grace-room/

livestream for HLN

currently working on 911 tapes...

-JVM just announced her producer stated 1st call made by older son
-2nd call came from Becky, she called 911 once she got home from work

(i did say early on i bet dispatcher confused voices, my kids sound same on the phone)


Wow!

I would think that they would have established the relationship of the caller to the incident?


Becky just stated on 911 call she went to work at 7:00!!!!! JVM won't release audio of boy since he is a minor.

Holy!!!

Well the HosPital VP said early.
He was right.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 7:47 pm

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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 8:05 pm

OMG!! Becky had me crying along with her. Sergio, on the other hand is freaking me out...beyond calm. told 911 operator he called Becky at work and told her to "get her butt home...ha-ha-ha" he then described Isa's eyes as "clear"...huh?! he fell asleep watching game at midnight..didn't hear anything. "my wife just got home and she is kind of freaking out and hysterical"...which he said in totally matter of fact manner.
gonna have to listen to tapes a few times.

i don't know who 1st caller is...sounds like neighbor? was helping out the young boy...then you hear the boy, then mom. Sergio's call seems to be a separate call. i think the son was walking around neighborhood and someone else made initial call for him.

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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 8:10 pm

when Sergio described Isa's eyes as "clear" (OMG!) the operator tried to clarify...she said are they hazel? he cut her off and said "yeah, green-hazel...sure" it was very, very odd-almost annoyed, how do you not immediately know the color of your child's eyes???
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Post by nanshin on Mon May 14, 2012 8:20 pm

It is so good to see everyone here. NG said it i bs that LE doesn't want Celis' to let public know about poly's. I tend to agree with her. Ithink it would be good to let the public know that. On the ABC Nancy said while talking to DanAbrams that maybe dad was coaching the boys in what to say. It makes a little sense, but is that strong enough to keep dad from boys ? Can LE seek to have cps make that decision ?
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 8:24 pm

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18395759/father-to-911-she-was-abducted-from-my-house
Father to 911: "She was abducted from my house"

911 transcript with Sergio only.
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Post by nanshin on Mon May 14, 2012 8:30 pm

I just got my answer on NG from Woody, nancy's expert. Police probably found something from the investigation that prompted cps to make decision to keep dad from the boys.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 8:30 pm

nanshin wrote:It is so good to see everyone here. NG said it i bs that LE doesn't want Celis' to let public know about poly's. I tend to agree with her. Ithink it would be good to let the public know that. On the ABC Nancy said while talking to DanAbrams that maybe dad was coaching the boys in what to say. It makes a little sense, but is that strong enough to keep dad from boys ? Can LE seek to have cps make that decision ?

in the Breann Rodriguez case, the parents came out themselves to say they had failed the polygraph...they were completely innocent! i have so much respect for them for having done that, pass or fail-they knew they were innocent and only cared about finding their daughter.
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Re: Isabel Celis -- Missing 4/20/12

Post by Glamourcat on Mon May 14, 2012 8:39 pm

Okay this is just crazy! He says "Hello"??? Would you even have your wits about you to say hello? The mother sounds devastastated and hysterical. This seems normal to me. I once thought my son was missing when I left him with a neighbor and she lost him! It turns out he was upstairs asleep. I was literally hyperventilating! I called the police and was freaking out. All I could think of, was who has my child and what are they doing to him! This isn't how Sergio sounds at all! Way too Hinky!!!

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Post by nanshin on Mon May 14, 2012 8:45 pm

Glamourcat wrote:Okay this is just crazy! He says "Hello"??? Would you even have your wits about you to say hello? The mother sounds devastastated and hysterical. This seems normal to me. I once thought my son was missing when I left him with a neighbor and she lost him! It turns out he was upstairs asleep. I was literally hyperventilating! I called the police and was freaking out. All I could think of, was who has my child and what are they doing to him! This isn't how Sergio sounds at all! Way too Hinky!!!

I read not too long ago on statement analysis (sorry can't link, I'll try to find it) but saying hello on a 911 is sensitive. A person in true panic doesn't say hello ! A little off topic, Jose Baez is on Dr. Drew tonight !! Shocked
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon May 14, 2012 8:45 pm

Honeysage wrote:when Sergio described Isa's eyes as "clear" (OMG!) the operator tried to clarify...she said are they hazel? he cut her off and said "yeah, green-hazel...sure" it was very, very odd-almost annoyed, how do you not immediately know the color of your child's eyes???

Sergio speaks English as a second language, something got lost in translation when he tried to describe the color of Isabel's eyes, he sounds frustrated because the color of her eyes are "light", like in "clear", which in Spanish usage would be: "ojos claros".

Spanish term or phrase: ojos claros
English translation: light colored eyes
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 8:46 pm

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18395708/celis-911-call-someone-broke-in-and-grabbed-her
Celis 911 call: 'Someone broke in and grabbed her'

full transcript 911 call of Becky and Sergio Jr. (son)
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 8:46 pm

Glamourcat wrote:Okay this is just crazy! He says "Hello"??? Would you even have your wits about you to say hello? The mother sounds devastastated and hysterical. This seems normal to me. I once thought my son was missing when I left him with a neighbor and she lost him! It turns out he was upstairs asleep. I was literally hyperventilating! I called the police and was freaking out. All I could think of, was who has my child and what are they doing to him! This isn't how Sergio sounds at all! Way too Hinky!!!

Sergio's tone is devoid if anxiety and urgency.

That was a creepy recording.

I am speechless.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 8:49 pm

nanshin wrote:
Glamourcat wrote:Okay this is just crazy! He says "Hello"??? Would you even have your wits about you to say hello? The mother sounds devastastated and hysterical. This seems normal to me. I once thought my son was missing when I left him with a neighbor and she lost him! It turns out he was upstairs asleep. I was literally hyperventilating! I called the police and was freaking out. All I could think of, was who has my child and what are they doing to him! This isn't how Sergio sounds at all! Way too Hinky!!!

I read not too long ago on statement analysis (sorry can't link, I'll try to find it) but saying hello on a 911 is sensitive. A person in true panic doesn't say hello ! A little off topic, Jose Baez is on Dr. Drew tonight !! Shocked

OR LAUGH!!
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon May 14, 2012 8:51 pm

nanshin wrote:I just got my answer on NG from Woody, nancy's expert. Police probably found something from the investigation that prompted cps to make decision to keep dad from the boys.

CPS might had found out that he is an abusive husband or an abusive father. The other two children safety and wellbeing are of utmost importance, especially after their little sister disappeared.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 8:53 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:
nanshin wrote:I just got my answer on NG from Woody, nancy's expert. Police probably found something from the investigation that prompted cps to make decision to keep dad from the boys.

CPS might had found out that he is an abusive husband or an abusive father. The other two children safety and wellbeing are of utmost importance, especially after their little sister disappeared.

Post 911 recordings:

I am now convinced.

There is something wrong with that guy.
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Post by Glamourcat on Mon May 14, 2012 8:55 pm

nanshin wrote:
Glamourcat wrote:Okay this is just crazy! He says "Hello"??? Would you even have your wits about you to say hello? The mother sounds devastastated and hysterical. This seems normal to me. I once thought my son was missing when I left him with a neighbor and she lost him! It turns out he was upstairs asleep. I was literally hyperventilating! I called the police and was freaking out. All I could think of, was who has my child and what are they doing to him! This isn't how Sergio sounds at all! Way too Hinky!!!

I read not too long ago on statement analysis (sorry can't link, I'll try to find it) but saying hello on a 911 is sensitive. A person in true panic doesn't say hello ! A little off topic, Jose Baez is on Dr. Drew tonight !! Shocked

See I think I read that before too either on a Statement Analysis site. His words, his demeanor, his lack of the need to find her now all speaks volume to me.
On another note, I can't believe Bozo is still cashing in!

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Post by Glamourcat on Mon May 14, 2012 9:19 pm

Tamta wrote:
Glamourcat wrote:Okay this is just crazy! He says "Hello"??? Would you even have your wits about you to say hello? The mother sounds devastastated and hysterical. This seems normal to me. I once thought my son was missing when I left him with a neighbor and she lost him! It turns out he was upstairs asleep. I was literally hyperventilating! I called the police and was freaking out. All I could think of, was who has my child and what are they doing to him! This isn't how Sergio sounds at all! Way too Hinky!!!

Sergio's tone is devoid if anxiety and urgency.

That was a creepy recording.

I am speechless.

Poor Isabel! I can't quit thinking about her. I believe now more than ever that Sergio did something to her. He is so creepy it's scary. I know others think Rebecca might be involved in the cover up, but I'm just not buying it. She had a real fear in her voice that you just can't fake.

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Post by Justice4all on Mon May 14, 2012 10:09 pm

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Post by Justice4all on Mon May 14, 2012 10:11 pm

Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her

8:29 PM, May 14, 2012

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.


Read more: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her
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Post by justanopinion on Mon May 14, 2012 10:12 pm

Not saying I am clearing anyone... Just that I had a friend that when she was in full panic would laugh. The more terrified she was the harder she laughed. He may have chuckled because he told her to get her butt home... may be some kind of private joke or because he cleaned it up for 911 maybe he actually had said "a$$"
Still think it is serious stuff to keep him from even talking to the boys... so will have to wait for that to be disclosed... if they do disclose why!
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Post by JustWinnie on Mon May 14, 2012 10:32 pm

This story just gets more and more creepy. I would really love to know if Sergio passed his LDT. How was he alone with her? Weren't the boys at home? If Mom left at 7, and 911 was called at 8, that's not much time.....
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Post by Justice4all on Mon May 14, 2012 10:55 pm

JustWinnie wrote:This story just gets more and more creepy. I would really love to know if Sergio passed his LDT. How was he alone with her? Weren't the boys at home? If Mom left at 7, and 911 was called at 8, that's not much time.....
I didn't get a chance to listen to the press conference. The article doesn't elaborate on the statement about Sergio being alone with Isabel. I was also under the impression that the boys were home.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 11:06 pm

justanopinion wrote:Not saying I am clearing anyone... Just that I had a friend that when she was in full panic would laugh. The more terrified she was the harder she laughed. He may have chuckled because he told her to get her butt home... may be some kind of private joke or because he cleaned it up for 911 maybe he actually had said "a$$"
Still think it is serious stuff to keep him from even talking to the boys... so will have to wait for that to be disclosed... if they do disclose why!

I've heard if that.

I Read Sergio's laugh more as arrogance:

"I called her and told her to get her butt home."

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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 pm

Justice4all wrote:Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her

8:29 PM, May 14, 2012

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.


Read more: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her

Alone at night, during the night, or the morning?
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 11:10 pm

Tamta wrote:
Justice4all wrote:Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her

8:29 PM, May 14, 2012

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.


Read more: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her

Alone at night, during the night, or the morning?

yeah i don't understand this either...maybe they just mean alone for that 1 hour after Becky left for work...not including the sons (for some reason). weird reporting.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 11:15 pm

Honeysage wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Justice4all wrote:Police: Isabel Celis' dad was alone with her

8:29 PM, May 14, 2012

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) - Authorities say the father of a missing Tucson girl was alone with her when she disappeared. But police say that doesn't mean he's a suspect.

Authorities have been searching for 6-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis since she was reported missing the morning of April 21.


Read more: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/320017/28/Police-Missing-AZ-girls-dad-was-alone-with-her

Alone at night, during the night, or the morning?

yeah i don't understand this either...maybe they just mean alone for that 1 hour after Becky left for work...not including the sons (for some reason). weird reporting.

Well it sounds like they are referring to a moment in time, as it says "when she disappeared" which is different then saying he was the last one to
See her, which could infer she was alone or not when she disappeared.

It sounds like specific language while not being direct.

They are kind of saying:

Sergio knows what happened.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 11:19 pm

Tamta wrote:
justanopinion wrote:Not saying I am clearing anyone... Just that I had a friend that when she was in full panic would laugh. The more terrified she was the harder she laughed. He may have chuckled because he told her to get her butt home... may be some kind of private joke or because he cleaned it up for 911 maybe he actually had said "a$$"
Still think it is serious stuff to keep him from even talking to the boys... so will have to wait for that to be disclosed... if they do disclose why!

I've heard if that.

I Read Sergio's laugh more as arrogance:

"I called her and told her to get her butt home."


i agree Tamta-it was demeaning and disrespectful, like he was puffing his chest out-oddly enough he was speaking to a female 911 operator, so i'm not sure who he was trying to impress besides himself.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 11:27 pm

Honeysage wrote:
Tamta wrote:
justanopinion wrote:Not saying I am clearing anyone... Just that I had a friend that when she was in full panic would laugh. The more terrified she was the harder she laughed. He may have chuckled because he told her to get her butt home... may be some kind of private joke or because he cleaned it up for 911 maybe he actually had said "a$$"
Still think it is serious stuff to keep him from even talking to the boys... so will have to wait for that to be disclosed... if they do disclose why!

I've heard if that.

I Read Sergio's laugh more as arrogance:

"I called her and told her to get her butt home."


i agree Tamta-it was demeaning and disrespectful, like he was puffing his chest out-oddly enough he was speaking to a female 911 operator, so i'm not sure who he was trying to impress besides himself.

And then trying to joke about giving Becky's height instead of Isa's.

Gross.
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Post by Honeysage on Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 pm

i don't think it's any coincidence that this very tight lipped police dept. has all of a sudden announced CPS involvement-removal of Sergio from his children and now this 911 tape in a matter of days. they seem to be backing him into the confessional corner-they are isolating him and i hope he talks soon.
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Post by Tamta on Mon May 14, 2012 11:50 pm

Honeysage wrote:i don't think it's any coincidence that this very tight lipped police dept. has all of a sudden announced CPS involvement-removal of Sergio from his children and now this 911 tape in a matter of days. they seem to be backing him into the confessional corner-they are isolating him and i hope he talks soon.

That's probably true.
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Post by snowbird on Tue May 15, 2012 12:02 am

I hope I read the transcript correct, the father states that he fell asleep in front of the TV in the living room and didn't hear a sound. He states she was on the other side of wall, so this would be so different then sleeping on the other side of the house. I know there was talk about them not hearing someone break in because house was large and master bedroom was on the other side of the children's rooms. This case has always been strange to me. I feel so sorry for her brothers.
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