Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Page 18 of 20 Previous  1 ... 10 ... 17, 18, 19, 20  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 9:40 am

Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:Sierra Lamar kidnapping suspect: I was fishing



Garcia-Torres told his mother that he could not be Sierra's kidnapper because he was busy fishing at the Uvas Creek in Morgan Hill on March 16.

Witnesses told investigators that they saw Garcia-Torres' Jetta driving around Sierra's neighborhood the morning she vanished.



Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/3v7isn/-/index.html#ixzz1vt2cxv9z

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/item/0/-/taxln5/-/index.html

I'm reposting this from yesteday. The article below either suggests a contradiction in reporting - or suggests that he went fishing TWO days in a row (?) I wish these people would get their facts straight
---
Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/lloyd/nPC3r/

So he was allegedly there 2 days consecutively?

Snipped from link:
BBM:

Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.


Do we have direct quotes from Torres or family member about fishing 3/16?


Last edited by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 9:43 am; edited 1 time in total
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Joju on Fri May 25, 2012 9:41 am

So if Torres was driving around with a dead body in his car for an hour + maybe the dogs picked up decomp in his vehicle.
avatar
Joju

Posts : 15
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Western us
Mood : Whistling

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 9:45 am

Joju wrote:So if Torres was driving around with a dead body in his car for an hour + maybe the dogs picked up decomp in his vehicle.

Maybe but the reason stated for the belief in Sierra's death is her lack of contact with anyone since 3/16, using her phone and SSM as a diary in a sense.

I inferred from LE statements that an item possessing a close association to Sierra's DNA was located in the car, either a possession or something from her person.

However who knows.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Stolat on Fri May 25, 2012 9:52 am

Tamta wrote:
Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:Sierra Lamar kidnapping suspect: I was fishing



Garcia-Torres told his mother that he could not be Sierra's kidnapper because he was busy fishing at the Uvas Creek in Morgan Hill on March 16.

Witnesses told investigators that they saw Garcia-Torres' Jetta driving around Sierra's neighborhood the morning she vanished.



Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/3v7isn/-/index.html#ixzz1vt2cxv9z

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/item/0/-/taxln5/-/index.html

I'm reposting this from yesteday. The article below either suggests a contradiction in reporting - or suggests that he went fishing TWO days in a row (?) I wish these people would get their facts straight
---
Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/lloyd/nPC3r/

So he was allegedly there 2 days consecutively?

Snipped from link:
BBM:

Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.


Do we have direct quotes from Torres or family member about fishing 3/16?

Well, that's the thing -- either we have sloppy journalism and one of those is a misprint -- or we have two different statements quoting family as saying Torres went fishing on two different days - the day of and the day after. I personally think one is a misquote - but who knows.

We also have heard for weeks now that the scent went dead at the end of the driveway (almost every single news outlet reported that) and now we're hearing the detail was that it actually was half a block down... I think news outlets copy each others factoids and perpetuate the misinformation.
avatar
Stolat

Posts : 801
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Oddly Somewhere Close To You

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 9:58 am

Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:Sierra Lamar kidnapping suspect: I was fishing



Garcia-Torres told his mother that he could not be Sierra's kidnapper because he was busy fishing at the Uvas Creek in Morgan Hill on March 16.

Witnesses told investigators that they saw Garcia-Torres' Jetta driving around Sierra's neighborhood the morning she vanished.



Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/3v7isn/-/index.html#ixzz1vt2cxv9z

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/item/0/-/taxln5/-/index.html

I'm reposting this from yesteday. The article below either suggests a contradiction in reporting - or suggests that he went fishing TWO days in a row (?) I wish these people would get their facts straight
---
Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.H

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/lloyd/nPC3r/

So he was allegedly there 2 days consecutively?

Snipped from link:
BBM:

Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.


Do we have direct quotes from Torres or family member about fishing 3/16?

Well, that's the thing -- either we have sloppy journalism and one of those is a misprint -- or we have two different statements quoting family as saying Torres went fishing on two different days - the day of and the day after. I personally think one is a misquote - but who knows.

We also have heard for weeks now that the scent went dead at the end of the driveway and now we're hearing the detail was that it actually was half a block down...

I have an issue with changing the last place to where Sierra was tracked.
I have an issue with no cosmetics being listed in SPC.
In fact I have an issue with the SPC in general.

First day Lucero spoke to press no mention of fishing and employment.
Allegedly mother produced fishing scenario?
Also also someone close to the investigation leaked that?

Who knows where it started?

People tell stories all of the time.

No one inside or outside the investigation can vouch for this fishing expedition yet.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by nanaof4 on Fri May 25, 2012 10:02 am

Typo Positive wrote:O/T

Even if the body found is not Sierra, I found it very concerning that a body in a state of decomposition was removed separately from the can on the side of, or middle of the road without having been forensically examined. There it is just laid out on the highway
contacting a new surface.

Wouldn't you think they would have lifted the can intact and removed it "as is" to the coroner's office?

The body looked a bit larger then the can. How long does rigor mortis last?

Thanks for any responses.

You would certainly think they would work to preserve evidence.

Rigor mortis (Latin: Rigor—"Stiffness," mortis—"of death") is one of the recognizable signs of death that is caused by a chemical change in the muscles after death, causing the limbs of the corpse to become stiff and difficult to move or manipulate.[1] In humans, it commences after about three to four hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 48 to 60 hours (two and a half days) after death.[2] Warm conditions and physically strenuous activity can speed up the process of rigor mortis.

This is from Wikipedia at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis

nanaof4

Posts : 75
Join date : 2012-05-11
Location : Here of course

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by SweetT on Fri May 25, 2012 10:03 am

I can believe he told them he went fishing, but thats as far as it goes for me..
avatar
SweetT

Posts : 187
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Vacation

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 10:09 am

Video link of suspects mom Laura. At the 3:15 mark she is asked about what AGT told her.

--he pass close the day the girl disappeared
--he had the day off the day the girl disappeared
--he left the wife at her mothers house
--he went back to go fishing at Uvas park

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/sierra-lamar-case-mother-of-suspect-antolin-garcia/vHP2S/
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Joju on Fri May 25, 2012 10:10 am

Unless Torres has access to a boat, her remains should be close to shore or at the base of a dam. Im really fit (fire fighter) digging even a 1ft deep hole long enough for a grave is work, even when its cool out and the soil conditions are good. He did have all day. Dont know, i guess if u were facing life in prison you would take the time to do it right. What about old mining operations, caves, or old wells in the area? He didnt care about her, he just needed to dump the body and go.
avatar
Joju

Posts : 15
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Western us
Mood : Whistling

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 10:13 am

Joju wrote:Unless Torres has access to a boat, her remains should be close to shore or at the base of a dam. Im really fit (fire fighter) digging even a 1ft deep hole long enough for a grave is work, even when its cool out and the soil conditions are good. He did have all day. Dont know, i guess if u were facing life in prison you would take the time to do it right. What about old mining operations, caves, or old wells in the area? He didnt care about her, he just needed to dump the body and go.

Well it looks like many of those preserve areas off the 101 and I680 have some desolate spots with desert like terrain, ie sand for easy digging.

Just enough to cover a body.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Stolat on Fri May 25, 2012 10:14 am

Tamta wrote:
Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:Sierra Lamar kidnapping suspect: I was fishing



Garcia-Torres told his mother that he could not be Sierra's kidnapper because he was busy fishing at the Uvas Creek in Morgan Hill on March 16.

Witnesses told investigators that they saw Garcia-Torres' Jetta driving around Sierra's neighborhood the morning she vanished.



Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/3v7isn/-/index.html#ixzz1vt2cxv9z

http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Sierra-Lamar-kidnapping-suspect-I-was-fishing/-/5738758/14154804/-/item/0/-/taxln5/-/index.html

I'm reposting this from yesteday. The article below either suggests a contradiction in reporting - or suggests that he went fishing TWO days in a row (?) I wish these people would get their facts straight
---
Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.H

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/lloyd/nPC3r/

So he was allegedly there 2 days consecutively?

Snipped from link:
BBM:

Sources close to the investigation say the suspect told them early on that he often went fishing around Morgan Hill.

Garcia-Torres mother said on the day after Sierra's disappearance her son went to the reservoir.

"He went back to go fishing at Uvas, Uvas Park," said his mother, Laura Torres.


Do we have direct quotes from Torres or family member about fishing 3/16?

Well, that's the thing -- either we have sloppy journalism and one of those is a misprint -- or we have two different statements quoting family as saying Torres went fishing on two different days - the day of and the day after. I personally think one is a misquote - but who knows.

We also have heard for weeks now that the scent went dead at the end of the driveway and now we're hearing the detail was that it actually was half a block down...

I have an issue with changing the last place to where Sierra was tracked.
I have an issue with no cosmetics being listed in SPC.
In fact I have an issue with the SPC in general.

First day Lucero spoke to press no mention of fishing and employment.
Allegedly mother produced fishing scenario?
Also also someone close to the investigation leaked that?

Who knows where it started?

People tell stories all of the time.

No one inside or outside the investigation can vouch for this fishing expedition yet.

Yeah, Lucero said in the video she had no idea what he was doing for work or if he was even working. But she also answered one of the reporters question who asked if the family has discussed all this (the investigation) and she emphatically says "yes!" - they discuss it often she said. And then she also says they all had a family meal together recently (a BBQ), and then you have reports where the mom says Torres has been working all this time for a contractor in San Jose and drives past Sierra's house every day. So you can't tell me that Lucero didn't also know this and also had not discussed the notion that Torres was spotted driving past her house in surveillance and WHY Torres was spotted in that area. Of COURSE they would all be talking about the fact that cops were reporting that they saw his car in the area and of course they would all be trying to justify that by saying he was on his way to work -- so there is no way she was being honest in that interview.
avatar
Stolat

Posts : 801
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Oddly Somewhere Close To You

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 10:18 am

Lash wrote:Video link of suspects mom Laura. At the 3:15 mark she is asked about what AGT told her.

--he pass close the day the girl disappeared
--he had the day off the day the girl disappeared
--he left the wife at her mothers house
--he went back to go fishing at Uvas park

http://www.ktvu.com/videos/news/sierra-lamar-case-mother-of-suspect-antolin-garcia/vHP2S/

Thanks.

I'll watch it!

This is the thing about people vouching for him at Uvas:

She may well be somewhere else entirely and it could be a smokescreen or attempt to create or reinforce an alibi, so if he is guilty and he told his mother he was fishing there it seems to be that it may be an attempt to mislead.

Unless LE has some serious evidence putting him there in that car, at that time, I just don't see the point in being attached to that place.

If I wanted to help him as a family member I would be going right a long with whatever he says with the intuition or awareness that he is acting to distance himself from a crime scene.



Last edited by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 10:35 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : grammar)
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 10:20 am

I suspect the Uvas fishing trip a possible diversion.

That's what I would do:

You think I was there?
Ok I was then, that actually really works for me.

Unless of course Sierra turns up there.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Stolat on Fri May 25, 2012 10:35 am

Tamta wrote:I suspect the Uvas fishing trip a possible diversion.

That's what I would do:

You think I was there?
Ok I was then, that actually really works for me.

Unless of course Sierra turns up there.

Or he was pulling a CA maneuver and stating half-truths. Like, maybe he was there, but he wasn't fishing. Perhaps he never suspected he'd be caught when he made that statement to his mother.

Here's what I want to know - who would put themselves at a remote area in the wilderness all by yourself where you would not be witnessed by anyone or have any form of receipts or interactions with anyone -- I mean who seriously uses THAT as your alibi?? I would think you'd want to put yourself somewhere where someone can say, yep - he was there.
avatar
Stolat

Posts : 801
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Oddly Somewhere Close To You

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 10:38 am

Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:I suspect the Uvas fishing trip a possible diversion.

That's what I would do:

You think I was there?
Ok I was then, that actually really works for me.

Unless of course Sierra turns up there.

Or he was pulling a CA maneuver and stating half-truths. Like, maybe he was there, but he wasn't fishing. Perhaps he never suspected he'd be caught when he made that statement to his mother.

Here's what I want to know - who would put themselves at a remote area in the wilderness all by yourself where you would not be witnessed by anyone or have any form of receipts or interactions with anyone -- I mean who seriously uses THAT as your alibi?? I would think you'd want to put yourself somewhere where someone can say, yep - he was there.

I do not know what to think but I am setting it aside for now until something more concrete arises.

IMO, LE is not much farther along from 3/28 when they got CODIS results back.

They have only identified a suspect and they can not hold him forever.
The fact that his alibi can nor cannot be verified is only one issue.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 10:41 am

Can everyone see the PDF? If not, I can do a screenshot.

Tamta- I also noticed the clothes were not mentioned in the "statement of facts" as being neatly folded. It probably means absolutely nothing at all. I am starting to wonder if the clothes were even found folded?
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 10:46 am

Lash wrote:Can everyone see the PDF? If not, I can do a screenshot.

Tamta- I also noticed the clothes were not mentioned in the "statement of facts" as being neatly folded. It probably means absolutely nothing at all. I am starting to wonder if the clothes were even found folded?

I know, me too.

And the shoes.

I keep harping in those but the shoes and cosmetics make me feel like she is not entirely accounted for.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Stolat on Fri May 25, 2012 10:56 am

Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:Can everyone see the PDF? If not, I can do a screenshot.

Tamta- I also noticed the clothes were not mentioned in the "statement of facts" as being neatly folded. It probably means absolutely nothing at all. I am starting to wonder if the clothes were even found folded?

I know, me too.

And the shoes.

I keep harping in those but the shoes and cosmetics make me feel like she is not entirely accounted for.

Essentially we can scrap everything that was played out in the media prior to the arrest because we basically learned it was all just a soap opera created to entice the suspect to lead them to the body. So I feel fairly comfortable saying that everything we know prior to arrest qualifies for a re-write. We may find ourselves starting from scratch because all our "knowns" may have been false leads, "placed" strategically or completely out of context intentionally. For example, saying her items (inhaler, car keys) have been "located" does NOT say to me that means those items were in her purse. It very well could be, but words like that are the same reason why I doubted that it was any mistake LE used similar "technicalities" to inquire about a car they had long had in their posession for weeks. They used careful wording that did not have logical flow and yet was not an outright *lie*. It just wasn't the truth you expected.
avatar
Stolat

Posts : 801
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Oddly Somewhere Close To You

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Ellie Tza on Fri May 25, 2012 10:58 am

Tamta wrote:
senseigurl wrote:i read somewhere that he left his home about 6:50am. it's probably a 5-minute drive to sierra's home. 20+ minutes transpired. he may have been driving around for a while in that area then stopped when the opportunity was right.

apparently he was off work that day. i don't know if you guys have had access to the facebook post with the argument going on between the girlfriend and pretty much the rest of Morgan Hill. too many contradictions as it is with her statements and some others.

Where is he or a family member quoted about his activities and time specifics of that morning?
I'd love to know, too.
avatar
Ellie Tza

Posts : 103
Join date : 2012-05-14
Mood : Feeling beat up

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 11:13 am

Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:Can everyone see the PDF? If not, I can do a screenshot.

Tamta- I also noticed the clothes were not mentioned in the "statement of facts" as being neatly folded. It probably means absolutely nothing at all. I am starting to wonder if the clothes were even found folded?

I know, me too.

And the shoes.

I keep harping in those but the shoes and cosmetics make me feel like she is not entirely accounted for.

Essentially we can scrap everything that was played out in the media prior to the arrest because we basically learned it was all just a soap opera created to entice the suspect to lead them to the body. So I feel fairly comfortable saying that everything we know prior to arrest qualifies for a re-write. We may find ourselves starting from scratch because all our "knowns" may have been false leads, "placed" strategically or completely out of context intentionally. For example, saying her items (inhaler, car keys) have been "located" does NOT say to me that means those items were in her purse. It very well could be, but words like that are the same reason why I doubted that it was any mistake LE used similar "technicalities" to inquire about a car they had long had in their posession for weeks. They used careful wording that did not have logical flow and yet was not an outright *lie*. It just wasn't the truth you expected.

Sierra being tracked to her driveway or mid way to bus can both lend itself to the stranger abduction.

She was alone and isolated so in my mind having her nabbed at the end of the driveway or on the way makes no difference.

However moving her along closer to the intersection where Torres was known to travel does seem important.

I hope that the sudden revelation that Sierra was on her way to the bus stop before vanishing is not an attempt to make it 'appear' more likely that this guy came into contact with her.

Is it simply because they can not place him closer to her, that Sierra has to be moved closer to him?

I hope not.

avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 11:14 am

Ellie Tza wrote:
Tamta wrote:
senseigurl wrote:i read somewhere that he left his home about 6:50am. it's probably a 5-minute drive to sierra's home. 20+ minutes transpired. he may have been driving around for a while in that area then stopped when the opportunity was right.

apparently he was off work that day. i don't know if you guys have had access to the facebook post with the argument going on between the girlfriend and pretty much the rest of Morgan Hill. too many contradictions as it is with her statements and some others.

Where is he or a family member quoted about his activities and time specifics of that morning?
I'd love to know, too.

Ellie

See Lash's video link up thread.
TIme specifics came from a facebook posting on Torres' wife page which has since been deleted.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Stolat on Fri May 25, 2012 11:15 am

Reports yesterday said that Benicio, Antolin's older brother, had been deported to Mexico for his criminal record. Does that indicate that the Torres family (Antolin included) is here in the states illegally? Can someone enlighten me how that works? What does it imply to say someone was deported?
avatar
Stolat

Posts : 801
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Oddly Somewhere Close To You

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Stolat on Fri May 25, 2012 11:17 am

Tamta wrote:
Ellie Tza wrote:
Tamta wrote:
senseigurl wrote:i read somewhere that he left his home about 6:50am. it's probably a 5-minute drive to sierra's home. 20+ minutes transpired. he may have been driving around for a while in that area then stopped when the opportunity was right.

apparently he was off work that day. i don't know if you guys have had access to the facebook post with the argument going on between the girlfriend and pretty much the rest of Morgan Hill. too many contradictions as it is with her statements and some others.

Where is he or a family member quoted about his activities and time specifics of that morning?
I'd love to know, too.

Ellie

See Lash's video link up thread.
TIme specifics came from a facebook posting on Torres' wife page which has since been deleted.

Man - I hope someone screen-captured those. Those were pretty hardcore and revealing things she was saying about Sierra. Totally indicative of a jealous woman -- not a sympathetic one. Jealous thinking that their husband may have been involved sexually with Sierra. Incriminating.
avatar
Stolat

Posts : 801
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : Oddly Somewhere Close To You

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 11:28 am

I have screenshots of the nasty things Francine and Victoria said on Facebook.

I don't have the shots of the alibi time Francine posted on FB. I haven't even seen them.
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 11:28 am

Stolat wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Ellie Tza wrote:
Tamta wrote:
senseigurl wrote:i read somewhere that he left his home about 6:50am. it's probably a 5-minute drive to sierra's home. 20+ minutes transpired. he may have been driving around for a while in that area then stopped when the opportunity was right.

apparently he was off work that day. i don't know if you guys have had access to the facebook post with the argument going on between the girlfriend and pretty much the rest of Morgan Hill. too many contradictions as it is with her statements and some others.

Where is he or a family member quoted about his activities and time specifics of that morning?
I'd love to know, too.

Ellie

See Lash's video link up thread.
TIme specifics came from a facebook posting on Torres' wife page which has since been deleted.

Man - I hope someone screen-captured those. Those were pretty hardcore and revealing things she was saying about Sierra. Totally indicative of a jealous woman -- not a sympathetic one. Jealous thinking that their husband may have been involved sexually with Sierra. Incriminating.

She's immature, humiliated and probably never trusted him.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 11:30 am

Lash wrote:I have screenshots of the nasty things Francine and Victoria said on Facebook.

I don't have the shots of the alibi time Francine posted on FB. I haven't even seen them.

I believe the one regarding 650am was deleted.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by senseigurl on Fri May 25, 2012 11:32 am

There were 64 comments as of yesterday afternoon on that fb thread and now it's at 63. someone deleted their comment but if you see later in that thread another person mentions the 6:50AM departure time accusing them of not getting their facts straight.
avatar
senseigurl

Posts : 32
Join date : 2012-05-13

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 11:34 am

senseigurl wrote:There were 64 comments as of yesterday afternoon on that fb thread and now it's at 63. someone deleted their comment but if you see later in that thread another person mentions the 6:50AM departure time accusing them of not getting their facts straight.

Thx.
Are you able to do a screen shot before it vanishes?
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by senseigurl on Fri May 25, 2012 11:37 am

Unfortunately I couldn't get a screen shot of it. Hopefully someone has that one. Maybe someone on JusticeQuest since it seems there are more of the locals there.
avatar
senseigurl

Posts : 32
Join date : 2012-05-13

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 11:40 am

senseigurl wrote:Unfortunately I couldn't get a screen shot of it. Hopefully someone has that one. Maybe someone on JusticeQuest since it seems there are more of the locals there.

Ok.
I'm not home!!!
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by SuperMom on Fri May 25, 2012 11:43 am

Typo Positive wrote:
SuperMom wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Honeysage wrote:from the PDF file:

-traced Sierra's scent form her house to a point approximately mid-way down her street (that's new!)

-all of her known belongings, including her asthma inhaler, her money, her house keys, and the clothing she was wearing...have been located. (trying to prove she is not a runaway)

Red shoes??????

Yes, still nothing about the Red Converse she always wore......?????


The red converse shoes were used as a scent item as pictured earlier in the case. The alleged missing shoes are gray of an unknown size, brand and type.

As a side note, I am told using shoes is unusual as a scent item as they have many confusing scents involved for the dog.
The usual items are sheets, pillowcase or recently worn clothing because it is particular to the subjects scent alone.

Sorry, you are right. They showed the Red Converse for the dogs to follow her scent but she was assumed to be wearing the Grey Converse.

SuperMom

Posts : 8
Join date : 2012-05-14

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 12:03 pm

senseigurl wrote:Unfortunately I couldn't get a screen shot of it. Hopefully someone has that one. Maybe someone on JusticeQuest since it seems there are more of the locals there.

Hi senseigurl! Can you tell me who made the comment? Was it Victoria or Francine or someone totally different? TIA

ETA - Teresa Casillas is the only comment left regarding a time. It appears she replied to a comment that "he had company at 6:50am".

Crankycrankersons photobucket account has the screenshots - start at page 5

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Sierra%20LaMar%20%20-CA-/


Last edited by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 12:31 pm; edited 3 times in total (Reason for editing : Fixed link, added comment & grammar)
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by senseigurl on Fri May 25, 2012 12:26 pm

I think it was Francine but I cannot say that with 100% certainty. It was definitely one of the two.
avatar
senseigurl

Posts : 32
Join date : 2012-05-13

Back to top Go down

Antolin Garcia-Torres next court date: 5/31/12 re enter a plea

Post by Ann - Tx on Fri May 25, 2012 1:23 pm


Antolin Garcia-Torres, man arrested in the disappearance of Calif. teen Sierra LaMar, enters no plea to murder charge

CBS - CrimeSider

May 25, 2012 10:36 AM




Antolin Garcia-Torres appears
in a Santa Clara County courtroom
in San Jose, Calif., for his first court
appearance Thursday, May 24, 2012.

(Credit: AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)


(CBS/AP) SAN JOSE, Calif. - Antolin Garcia-Torres, the man accused in the disappearance of 15-year-old California girl Sierra LaMar, made his first appearance in court Thursday but did not enter a plea.

Photos: Arrest made in case of missing Calif. teen

Garcia-Torres was arraigned on murder and kidnapping charges in a Santa Clara County courtroom. He was assigned a public defender.

A judge ordered Garcia-Torres back to court May 31 to enter a plea
.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57441549-504083/antolin-garcia-torres-man-arrested-in-the-disappearance-of-calif-teen-sierra-lamar-enters-no-plea-to-murder-charge/

Photo Gallery:
Arrest made in case of missing Calif. teen

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10011686-11.html?tag=page
CBS News.com



Sierra LaMar is seen here in an undated photo.
Credit: Santa Clara County Sheriff's Dept.
_____________

J4A, please enter, on the RC Calendar, 5/31/12 as next court appearance by Antolin Garcia-Torres re enter a plea. Thanks!

avatar
Ann - Tx

Posts : 14622
Join date : 2010-08-11
Location : Texas
Mood : Happy

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Honeysage on Fri May 25, 2012 1:31 pm

oh no...Hotsteno's twitter account has gone private-hope she hasn't been harassed. i don't have a twitter acct.-hope she lets someone know she is ok!
avatar
Honeysage

Posts : 468
Join date : 2012-05-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by SuperMom on Fri May 25, 2012 2:26 pm

Honeysage wrote:oh no...Hotsteno's twitter account has gone private-hope she hasn't been harassed. i don't have a twitter acct.-hope she lets someone know she is ok!

Yes, she has been harassed. Apparently someone took something she said out of context. I cannot access my twitter from here at work to give a link or quote it but I will type out some (or all) of what she said happened.

Dear friends, it has come to my attention that something I hastily wrote on my way to work this morning may be take out of context. See attached phoot.

I was irritated because this particular person felt it was inappropriate for me to have strong opinions about Antolin Garcia-Torres, who, the evidence demonstrates, abducted my 15 year old neighbor, Sierra LaMar, from the same Sobrato High School bus stop my own daughter could have been standing at on March 16 of this year. This person was claiming that because of my profession, I should not have an opinion as to his guilt or innocence.

I have run into this opinion rather a lot recently, and I am completely frustrated by it. Of course, in the eyes of the law, AGT is innocent until proven guilty. However, knowing what I know about the evidence, I am completely convinced he is guilty and I am passionate that this monster should never walk the streets a free man again. Evidently, the SO and the DA share my opinion.

Nobody at work has suggested I am not entitled to form an opinion as to AGT's guilt or innocence. My tweet makes it sound like I'm criticising my employer, and that is not what I intended. Just to be clear, my criticism is completely limited to the narrow minded person who thinks I have to be "fair" to this predator who has turned our lives upside-down. I'm not going to be his judge, jury, or reporter. I don't have to be fair and impartial. I want him to spend the rest of his life in prison where he can't hurt anyone else.


I cannot see the picture of the misunderstood tweets in reference but I can gather that this guy has been harassing her and is doing so under a few different names. I can understand why she made her account private.

SuperMom

Posts : 8
Join date : 2012-05-14

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 2:33 pm

This article contains a PDF document of the Felony Complaint.

Garcia-Torres charged with murder of Sierra LaMar
Thursday, May 24, 2012

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8675449

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/ANTOLIN-GARCIA-TORRES-FELONY-COMPLAINT.pdf


Last edited by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 2:38 pm; edited 1 time in total
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by snowbird on Fri May 25, 2012 2:35 pm

I missed what her profession is that someone thinks she should not form an opinion.
avatar
snowbird

Posts : 782
Join date : 2012-05-14
Location : louisiana
Mood : Happy

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by justanopinion on Fri May 25, 2012 2:44 pm

snowbird wrote:I missed what her profession is that someone thinks she should not form an opinion.



She is a court reporter!
avatar
justanopinion

Posts : 2342
Join date : 2011-11-18
Location : North of the Equator; South of the Pole
Mood : Angry

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Honeysage on Fri May 25, 2012 3:15 pm

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Womans-Body-Found-in-Pleasanton-Trash-Can-154164005.html
Woman's Body Found in Pleasanton Trash Can

Sources told the Bay Area News Group that the body was most likely not Sierra LaMar, the 15-year-old Morgan Hill girl who was kidnapped March 16 and presumed to be murdered.

But Pleasanton police Lt. Jeff Bretzing told NBC Bay Area on Friday that he "coudn't rule anything out." He did say that body was not that of a child, meaning 11 years old or younger. But he couldn't say for sure if the female wasn't a teenager.
avatar
Honeysage

Posts : 468
Join date : 2012-05-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 3:15 pm

justanopinion wrote:
snowbird wrote:I missed what her profession is that someone thinks she should not form an opinion.



She is a court reporter!

Court reporting commenting on court proceedings?

Is she employed at that court house?

Might not have been the wisest choice, but I do not know any details and if course she does not deserve harassment.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 3:17 pm

Lash wrote:This article contains a PDF document of the Felony Complaint.

Garcia-Torres charged with murder of Sierra LaMar
Thursday, May 24, 2012

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8675449

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/ANTOLIN-GARCIA-TORRES-FELONY-COMPLAINT.pdf

So the FC and SPC are the Memorial Day Weekend doc releases???
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 3:31 pm

Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:This article contains a PDF document of the Felony Complaint.

Garcia-Torres charged with murder of Sierra LaMar
Thursday, May 24, 2012

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8675449

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/ANTOLIN-GARCIA-TORRES-FELONY-COMPLAINT.pdf

So the FC and SPC are the Memorial Day Weekend doc releases???
I personally thought they would release a probable cause affidavit. I don't feel the statement of facts was quite what we were expecting. They owe us nothing really. I'm in agreement with Stolat, a lot of what we were told in the beginning was a ruse. The intent was good, hoping AGT would lead them to Sierra's body. I think the facts as we thought we knew them, might not be.
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 4:16 pm

Lash wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:This article contains a PDF document of the Felony Complaint.

Garcia-Torres charged with murder of Sierra LaMar
Thursday, May 24, 2012

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8675449

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/ANTOLIN-GARCIA-TORRES-FELONY-COMPLAINT.pdf

So the FC and SPC are the Memorial Day Weekend doc releases???
I personally thought they would release a probable cause affidavit. I don't feel the statement of facts was quite what we were expecting. They owe us nothing really. I'm in agreement with Stolat, a lot of what we were told in the beginning was a ruse. The intent was good, hoping AGT would lead them to Sierra's body. I think the facts as we thought we knew them, might not be.

Lash,

Do you think that the media has seen the SPC, or is referring to the SOF as SPC, or that there are exact quotes in the SOF and SPC? I am confused then.

I also just wonder sometimes if there are timing intentions behind informational releases. Not just with Sierra's case but the Celis case just had a big document release right before a holiday weekend. Readers have an extra day to.....mull things over in a sense. It may not be intentional.

ANyway after reading the DA and SHeriff Smith statements, and now these docs, I have more questions then ever??!!!

Sigh.
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 4:30 pm

Body Found in Pleasanton Trash Can is Woman, Not Sierra LaMar


http://unioncity.patch.com/articles/body-found-in-pleasanton-trash-can-is-woman-not-sierra-lamar
avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by snowbird on Fri May 25, 2012 4:36 pm

justanopinion wrote:
snowbird wrote:I missed what her profession is that someone thinks she should not form an opinion.



She is a court reporter!
Then it would seem see could make any comment she wanted. I guess someone thought free speech didn't apply to her. Thanks
avatar
snowbird

Posts : 782
Join date : 2012-05-14
Location : louisiana
Mood : Happy

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Honeysage on Fri May 25, 2012 5:15 pm

http://www.mercurynews.com/campbell/ci_20711534/many-santa-clara-county-sheriffs-missing-girls-arent
Many of Santa Clara County sheriff's 'missing girls' aren't really missing

Smith's list included 43 missing girls in San Jose alone. But San Jose Police Department spokesman Jason Dwyer said, "We don't have any open at-risk juvenile cases." Of the current cases of missing girls, which he put at 37, "All of them are runaways or believed to be runaways."

He said the Sheriff's Office didn't call local agencies to verify the information it was releasing.
avatar
Honeysage

Posts : 468
Join date : 2012-05-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Lash on Fri May 25, 2012 5:25 pm

Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:This article contains a PDF document of the Felony Complaint.

Garcia-Torres charged with murder of Sierra LaMar
Thursday, May 24, 2012

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8675449

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/ANTOLIN-GARCIA-TORRES-FELONY-COMPLAINT.pdf

So the FC and SPC are the Memorial Day Weekend doc releases???
I personally thought they would release a probable cause affidavit. I don't feel the statement of facts was quite what we were expecting. They owe us nothing really. I'm in agreement with Stolat, a lot of what we were told in the beginning was a ruse. The intent was good, hoping AGT would lead them to Sierra's body. I think the facts as we thought we knew them, might not be.

Lash,

Do you think that the media has seen the SPC, or is referring to the SOF as SPC, or that there are exact quotes in the SOF and SPC? I am confused then.

I also just wonder sometimes if there are timing intentions behind informational releases. Not just with Sierra's case but the Celis case just had a big document release right before a holiday weekend. Readers have an extra day to.....mull things over in a sense. It may not be intentional.

ANyway after reading the DA and SHeriff Smith statements, and now these docs, I have more questions then ever??!!!

Sigh.

The media didn't label it SOF. It is a PDF document named and created by the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office.

I'm not as confused as I am concerned about the probable cause. I said they owe us nothing, but I would like to have an understanding of what forensic evidence of Sierra's was found in the Jetta. What if anything besides her lack of social media interaction and finding her belongings have concluded she is deceased? Did they find Sierra's hair in the car with death bands? Did a cadaver dog hit on the car? WHAT? Skin cells from AGT does not tell me she is deceased. It tells me her clothes were in close contact with AGT and he was involved.
avatar
Lash

Posts : 1583
Join date : 2012-05-15

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Honeysage on Fri May 25, 2012 5:31 pm

http://www.gilroydispatch.com/obituaries/juan-diego-sarmiento-jr/article_90fccfeb-d2d5-57e9-8dc9-d7665cb8bcf9.html Juan Diego Sarmiento, Jr. Obituary

He is survived by his parents, Juan and Rosie Sarmiento; brother, Tony (Cristina) Sarmiento and sister, Myra Rose (Joe) Barboa. He also leaves behind his wife, Danelle and children; Angelica, Victoria, Francine, John, Lillian and Daniel, his nieces; Jenny, Olivia, Mary, Frances and Christina, and his aunts and uncles. He will be greatly missed. We love you, Juan.

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news/crime_fire_courts/search_for_sierra/suspect-in-sierra-case-described-as-good-father-sweetheart/article_79b21232-a606-11e1-b858-0019bb30f31a.html
Suspect in Sierra case described as 'good father,' 'sweetheart'
_____________________________
because of a comment i read in the Morgan Hill Times (which i linked above) i did some searching and found the obituary for Francine's dad who died very young leaving 6 children behind.
avatar
Honeysage

Posts : 468
Join date : 2012-05-11

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Tamta on Fri May 25, 2012 5:42 pm

Lash wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:
Tamta wrote:
Lash wrote:This article contains a PDF document of the Felony Complaint.

Garcia-Torres charged with murder of Sierra LaMar
Thursday, May 24, 2012

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8675449

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/kgo/PDF/ANTOLIN-GARCIA-TORRES-FELONY-COMPLAINT.pdf

So the FC and SPC are the Memorial Day Weekend doc releases???
I personally thought they would release a probable cause affidavit. I don't feel the statement of facts was quite what we were expecting. They owe us nothing really. I'm in agreement with Stolat, a lot of what we were told in the beginning was a ruse. The intent was good, hoping AGT would lead them to Sierra's body. I think the facts as we thought we knew them, might not be.

Lash,

Do you think that the media has seen the SPC, or is referring to the SOF as SPC, or that there are exact quotes in the SOF and SPC? I am confused then.

I also just wonder sometimes if there are timing intentions behind informational releases. Not just with Sierra's case but the Celis case just had a big document release right before a holiday weekend. Readers have an extra day to.....mull things over in a sense. It may not be intentional.

ANyway after reading the DA and SHeriff Smith statements, and now these docs, I have more questions then ever??!!!

Sigh.

The media didn't label it SOF. It is a PDF document named and created by the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office.

I'm not as confused as I am concerned about the probable cause. I said they owe us nothing, but I would like to have an understanding of what forensic evidence of Sierra's was found in the Jetta. What if anything besides her lack of social media interaction and finding her belongings have concluded she is deceased? Did they find Sierra's hair in the car with death bands? Did a cadaver dog hit on the car? WHAT? Skin cells from AGT does not tell me she is deceased. It tells me her clothes were in close contact with AGT and he was involved.

BBM

My same question.

avatar
Tamta

Posts : 2065
Join date : 2012-05-11
Mood : Eyebrow

Back to top Go down

Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 18 of 20 Previous  1 ... 10 ... 17, 18, 19, 20  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum