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Post by Darkman on Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:02 am

Gentz found competent, awaits more tests
Kathy Ryanwrite, the author


A website supporting Justice for Jane Bashara also has support with lawn signs around town. Anonymous organizers said a summer vigil will be scheduled later this summer, probably in July. photo by Kathy Ryan.

June 14, 2012

An independent competency examination has been ordered for Joseph Gentz, the handyman accused of killing Jane Bashara.

Gentz and his attorneys were in court Monday, appearing before Judge Kenneth J. King in Detroit's 36th District Court. He has been charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder in the death of the Grosse Pointe mother and marketing executive.

The ruling came after a court-ordered examination conducted by a clinician from the Michigan Department of Community Health determined the 47-year-old defendant was competent to stand trial.

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:25 am

Darkman wrote:Friends And Supporters Launch “Justice For Jane”

June 11, 2012 8:25 AM



GROSSE POINTE, Mich. (WWJ) – Friends and supporters of Jane Bashara are mounting what they’re calling the “Justice For Jane (Bashara) campaign”.

Organizers say the purpose is to visibly show the Grosse Pointe community’s desire to bring to justice whoever murdered one of its most respected members. They’ve begun selling yard signs, car magnets, wristbands, and purple tree ribbons — with the goal to have as many of them displayed as possible before what would have been Jane Bashara’s 57th birthday — on June 22nd.

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Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/11/friends-and-supporters-launch-justice-for-jane/
Meantime, supporters of Jane’s husband, Bob Bashara, say ”Justice For Jane” is nothing more than a “lynch mob” targeting Bob, posing as a advocacy campaign. (Stay tuned to WWJ Newsradio 950 for more on this).

...was added at the same (above) Source
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Post by justanopinion on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:07 am

Darkman wrote:
Darkman wrote:Friends And Supporters Launch “Justice For Jane”

June 11, 2012 8:25 AM



GROSSE POINTE, Mich. (WWJ) – Friends and supporters of Jane Bashara are mounting what they’re calling the “Justice For Jane (Bashara) campaign”.

Organizers say the purpose is to visibly show the Grosse Pointe community’s desire to bring to justice whoever murdered one of its most respected members. They’ve begun selling yard signs, car magnets, wristbands, and purple tree ribbons — with the goal to have as many of them displayed as possible before what would have been Jane Bashara’s 57th birthday — on June 22nd.

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Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/11/friends-and-supporters-launch-justice-for-jane/
Meantime, supporters of Jane’s husband, Bob Bashara, say ”Justice For Jane” is nothing more than a “lynch mob” targeting Bob, posing as a advocacy campaign. (Stay tuned to WWJ Newsradio 950 for more on this).

...was added at the same (above) Source


that is absolutely ridiculous.... then the between the lines message is that supporters of Bob... do believe that there is involvement by Bob in the murder or they would also be supportive of bringing "Justice for Jane" and bringing those responsible for her murder to trial. There is nothing in the signs, wristbands, or ribbons that identify Bob as a suspect. They are only representing a community's wish that Jane be remembered as the lovely woman she was. So my question then becomes do they really support Blob? No
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Post by snowbird on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:21 am

Why would Bod who says he loved Jane and Jane was the love of his life have any problem with signs for Justice for Jane?

It sounds like Bob and his supports have a guilty conscious about Jane.

As Justanopinion says the sign say nothing about arrest Bob, the people want to honor the lovely woman who was murder in the community.

I think they protest to much.
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Post by Freckles on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:02 am

Darkman wrote:
Darkman wrote:Friends And Supporters Launch “Justice For Jane”

June 11, 2012 8:25 AM



GROSSE POINTE, Mich. (WWJ) – Friends and supporters of Jane Bashara are mounting what they’re calling the “Justice For Jane (Bashara) campaign”.

Organizers say the purpose is to visibly show the Grosse Pointe community’s desire to bring to justice whoever murdered one of its most respected members. They’ve begun selling yard signs, car magnets, wristbands, and purple tree ribbons — with the goal to have as many of them displayed as possible before what would have been Jane Bashara’s 57th birthday — on June 22nd.

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Source: http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/06/11/friends-and-supporters-launch-justice-for-jane/
Meantime, supporters of Jane’s husband, Bob Bashara, say ”Justice For Jane” is nothing more than a “lynch mob” targeting Bob, posing as a advocacy campaign. (Stay tuned to WWJ Newsradio 950 for more on this).

...was added at the same (above) Source
Advocacy? I would say absolutely! It is an advocacy for Justice For Jane.
What better advocacy could there be? Cool
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Post by One Wonders on Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:11 pm

snowbird wrote:Why would Bod who says he loved Jane and Jane was the love of his life have any problem with signs for Justice for Jane?

It sounds like Bob and his supports have a guilty conscious about Jane.

As Justanopinion says the sign say nothing about arrest Bob, the people want to honor the lovely woman who was murder in the community.

I think they protest to much.

Yup, I agree!
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Post by Darkman on Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:01 pm

June 14, 2012 at 5:42 pm

'Justice for Jane' group aims spotlight on Bashara case

By Francis X. Donnelly
The Detroit News

"Justice for Jane" signs have begun to sprout in the bucolic Grosse Pointe communities.

They're being sold by a newly formed group that wants to find the killer of Jane Bashara, who was strangled in January.

Since a handyman has already been charged in the murder, the group apparently feels someone else was involved. Bashara's husband, Bob, has been described by police as a person of interest...

The group's leaders couldn't be reached for comment.

According to its website, it wants to "avenge" the murder by selling yard signs, car magnets, wristbands and tree ribbons that are affixed with the slogan "Justice for Jane."

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While the group works to makes its desire visible, the same can't be said about its identity.

The organizers of Justice4Jane are anonymous. The members are anonymous. Two Grosse Pointe residents with signs in their yards Thursday declined to give their names.

One of the sign owners lives a few yards away from Bashara in Grosse Pointe Park. The homeowner said she bought the sign because she felt Jane Bashara was being forgotten in all the publicity over the murder.

"I really think it's important for the community to remember that we lost Jane," said the woman, who has lived in the neighborhood for 15 years. "I want people to remember that it's about Jane."

Asked what she thought about Bob Bashara, she declined comment.

A Grosse Pointe Woods resident with a sign in his yard said he believed Bob Bashara was involved in the murder, and didn't understand why he hadn't been arrested yet.

A Grosse Pointe Park resident who doesn't belong to Justice4Jane said he didn't understand the secrecy surrounding the group.

Bob Frank, 63, said the group would be more credible if members identified themselves.

"They believe what they believe," he said. "Let people know who you are."

Frank is no supporter of Bob Bashara. He said he believes handyman Joe Gentz wasn't the only person involved in the murder. Asked if he thought Bob Bashara was involved, he just smiled.

As of Saturday, Justice4Jane had received orders for 52 wristbands, 46 yard signs, 23 car magnets and 14 tree ribbons, according to its website.

The yard signs cost $15 while the other three items are $5 each.

Proceeds will pay for a memorial vigil for Jane Bashara that will be held sometime this summer. Any money leftover will go to her favorite charities.

The group said it is supported by Jane Bashara's parents and siblings.

Bob Bashara, it said, is not a member.

fdonnelly@detnews.com

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Read more from The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120614/METRO/206140490#ixzz1xo7T3X9N
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Post by Darkman on Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:49 am

Similar article to the one above, but somewhat re-written...
June 15, 2012 at 1:00 am

Secretive group seeks justice in Bashara case

Sale of signs aims to keep case of slain mom in spotlight

By Francis X. Donnelly
The Detroit News

A Justice for Jane Bashara sign stands in Grosse Pointe Park. (David Coates / The Detroit News)

"The purpose of the campaign is to show in a visible way the Grosse Pointe community's desire to bring to justice whoever murdered one of its most respected members," read a statement on the website.

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A Grosse Pointe Park resident said he didn't understand the secrecy surrounding Justice4Jane. Bob Frank, 63, who didn't have a sign in his yard, said the group would be more credible if members identified themselves.

"They believe what they believe," he said. "Let people know who you are."

Frank is no supporter of Bob Bashara. He said he believes handyman Joe Gentz wasn't the only person involved in the murder. Asked if he thought Bashara was involved, he just smiled.

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The vigil would show how much she is missed, according to the website.

"The vigil is also intended to show … the level of community desire to bring whomever murdered her to justice," read the website.

The vigil was planned for June 22, which would have been Bashara's 57th birthday, but was postponed because of a scheduling conflict, said the website. It will be held later this summer...

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Read more from The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120615/METRO01/206150360#ixzz1xq07e600
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Post by Freckles on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:41 am

Awesome! You all have worked so hard
for Jane.

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Post by snowbird on Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:30 am

I think it is awsome that they are not saying who they are, this would only take away the attention of Jane and put it on the group and the people.

This group has put the limelight on Justice of Jane and that is wear it need to be.
Good work Justice of Jane. inlove
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Post by snowbird on Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:31 am

Oh and another thing, it must kill Bob to ride around with all those signs. Laughing
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Post by Freckles on Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:14 pm

drunken This probably will drive him to drink! Make him drive crazy.
snowbird wrote:Oh and another thing, it must kill Bob to ride around with all those signs. Laughing
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by stina on Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:37 pm

Hi Freckles....I stopped by to say hi to a few of my hinky friends...we miss ya...send you a PM to say whats up!

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Post by Darkman on Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:41 pm

They say Bob started Facebook page today.... also called "Justice4Jane"

Nice pictures of Jane there....

http://www.facebook.com/Justice4Jane



The OFFICIAL family-run forum for those who seek justice for Jane Bashara WITHOUT accusation, but with love, just the way we know she would TRULY want it. Please feel free to post any fond memories of Jane, as well as any spiritual uplifting thoughts.

Jane Ellen Bashara was taken away from us
January 24

Founded:
Founded on June 22, 1955
Baby Jane entered the world!


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Post by Freckles on Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:04 am

Baby Jane entered the world? What pap is this?
A loving husband would not write like that. A parent might but not the husband. Does this man even have a clue?

Even in her death Blob will deny her truth and justice.
What a sicko.

Be careful ir you go there. Blob is probably recording each name and email addy for his own personal use.
Remember: The fool is broke and craves his attention. Watch out for the grenades thrown at the flies.
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Post by Darkman on Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:35 am

Was a change at FB page there:

Jane Ellen Bashara passed away
January 24

was replaced with:

Jane Ellen Bashara was taken away from us
January 24

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Post by Freckles on Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:45 am

Darkman-
Blob is still living in his little fantasy world playing little boy games.
Jane was murdered.
Jane was murdered by someone Blob let into the home.
Jane was murdered by someone Blob let into the home and Blob sanctioned the murder.
Jane was murdered by someone Blob let into the home and Blob sanctioned the murder and then blessed it with cash.

He is really something else, isn't he?
Out there last fall looking to find someone to murder his wife so he can get his rocks off a bit more easily. He thinks he has bought respectability but it came from JANE and her values, her character NOT from this measly man.

Blob lives in some fairy book story where he is the KING of the S.HILL.
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Post by Darkman on Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:13 am

June 16, 2012 at 1:00 am

'Justice' for Jane Bashara sought in secret

By Francis X. Donnelly
The Detroit News



A group seeking to avenge the murder of Jane Bashara said it wants to remain anonymous for myriad reasons.

Identifying organizers would deflect attention from their goals by focusing it on group leaders, would raise hackles in the publicity-averse Pointes and would bring unwanted press attention to organizers, the Justice for Jane group wrote in an email.

"We anticipated the criticism about anonymity but believe in our mission and that its' true merits will shine through," wrote the "J4J organizing committee."

The group declined to be interviewed by telephone...

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Despite Gentz' arrest, the Justice for Jane website said it hopes to "bring to justice whoever murdered" her.

Many posts on the website forums are critical of Bob Bashara, who has been described by police as a person of interest in the case. Gentz, meanwhile, will face a mental competency hearing Monday afternoon in Detroit's 36th District Court....

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Read more at the source, from The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120616/METRO01/206160339/-Justice-Jane-Bashara-sought-secret

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Post by Freckles on Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:27 am

Thanks, Darkman.
Am I to believe there are now TWO different and unrelated sites for J4J?
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Post by Darkman on Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:41 am

Yes... looks that way..

Justice4Jane forum .... (the one in my signature)

and now, also, Justice4Jane Facebook page (reportedly started by BB ... more likely after hearing Justice4Jane forum was going to start Justice4Jane Facebook as well ... basically "kinda" beating them to it ... unless of course BB planned to open one for a while now, but only came around starting one today ---- quite a coincidence then ... and the name of the Facebook page as well!) :)
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Post by snowbird on Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:30 am

Darkman wrote:They say Bob started Facebook page today.... also called "Justice4Jane"

Nice pictures of Jane there....

http://www.facebook.com/Justice4Jane



The OFFICIAL family-run forum for those who seek justice for Jane Bashara WITHOUT accusation, but with love, just the way we know she would TRULY want it. Please feel free to post any fond memories of Jane, as well as any spiritual uplifting thoughts.

Jane Ellen Bashara was taken away from us
January 24

Founded:
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Baby Jane entered the world!
I believe that Bob attorneys are monitoring website. I think when Bob supporters came out against Justice4Jane, it didn't sit well in the blogosphere. That is why the Facebook account was put up because he now forced to show support for Jane so he doesn't look bad.
If this would have been done with good intentions, then it would have been done a long time ago. This would have been done before his interviews. IMO
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Post by Bat Woman on Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:33 pm

snowbird wrote:
Darkman wrote:They say Bob started Facebook page today.... also called "Justice4Jane"

Nice pictures of Jane there....

http://www.facebook.com/Justice4Jane




Jane Ellen Bashara was taken away from us
January 24

Founded:
Founded on June 22, 1955
Baby Jane entered the world!
I believe that Bob attorneys are monitoring website. I think when Bob supporters came out against Justice4Jane, it didn't sit well in the blogosphere. That is why the Facebook account was put up because he now forced to show support for Jane so he doesn't look bad.
If this would have been done with good intentions, then it would have been done a long time ago. This would have been done before his interviews. IMO

Who would know by looking at that pic the 'sicko' would have his beautiful wife killed?
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Post by Darkman on Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:18 pm

Surely not me, Bat Woman
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Post by Darkman on Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:44 pm



Jane Ellen Bashara (Engelbrecht)

Born: June 22, 1955 - Murdered: January 24, 2012

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Post by Darkman on Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:42 pm

from BB's Facebook: (posted 3 hours ago)


"Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future."


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Post by One Wonders on Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:12 pm

Darkman wrote:They say Bob started Facebook page today.... also called "Justice4Jane"

Nice pictures of Jane there....

http://www.facebook.com/Justice4Jane



The OFFICIAL family-run forum for those who seek justice for Jane Bashara WITHOUT accusation, but with love, just the way we know she would TRULY want it. Please feel free to post any fond memories of Jane, as well as any spiritual uplifting thoughts.

Jane Ellen Bashara was taken away from us
January 24

Founded:
Founded on June 22, 1955
Baby Jane entered the world
!

What kind of person writes such carp?
FOUNDED? FOUNDED?
I have have no words.
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Post by Darkman on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:52 am

Bob Bashara's defense attorney involved in pair of conflicts over subpoenas' use

June 18, 2012


An attorney representing Bob Bashara, who is suspected in his wife's homicide, is being called before the presiding judge of Wayne County Circuit Court's criminal division this week over his apparent unauthorized use of a subpoena.

Attorney David Griem is waging his own battle, filing a motion with the Michigan Court of Appeals against prosecutors for what he calls their unconstitutional use of investigative subpoenas.

The warring over subpoenas comes nearly four months after the death of Grosse Pointe Park resident Jane Bashara, who was strangled in January. Bob Bashara was called a person of interest in the case but has not been charged.


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Post by Freckles on Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:53 am

Darkman wrote:One Wonders,

I believe it to be "an automatic thingy" on any Facebook page.

when go down the "time line" at facebook pages .. at the very bottom .. last thing in the Time Line (it's first thing actually, i guess) would be written:

Founded: the date
"and then one can put some phrase underneath of it"

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I guess you meant crap (not carp) ... lol ... - Carp is quite a popular fish actually among Jewish people .. they like to make a "Gefilte fish" dish out of it :)
Which is delicious if made "tenderly"--- fresh parsley dices lightly across the top and some farfels, please! (Speaking of food: The very best halvah is made in Chicago. Love the marble. http://www.jewishrecipes.org/jewish-foods/halva.html)
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Post by Freckles on Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:56 am

At this venture, Blob has not been charged so I can't see how Griem could have access to any of the evidence. His client has yet to be charged. Could this be akin to tampering with evidence or interfering with a criminal case?

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While he may be curious that is not justifiable to circumventing the law or inserting himself into the case without case.
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Post by Darkman on Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:16 am

Freckles

My grandmother and mother - were / are "the kings" of making Gefilte fish :)
Or should i say "the queens" Very Happy

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Post by Freckles on Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:31 am

Darkman-
Check your PM, please. crystal ball
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Post by justanopinion on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:22 am

Darkman wrote:They say Bob started Facebook page today.... also called "Justice4Jane"

Nice pictures of Jane there....

http://www.facebook.com/Justice4Jane



The OFFICIAL family-run forum for those who seek justice for Jane Bashara WITHOUT accusation, but with love, just the way we know she would TRULY want it. Please feel free to post any fond memories of Jane, as well as any spiritual uplifting thoughts.

Jane Ellen Bashara was taken away from us
January 24

Founded:
Founded on June 22, 1955
Baby Jane entered the world!


OMG so now the big Blob is trying to take credit for the Justice for Jane campaign... was an a$$!
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Post by snowbird on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:32 am

Al I can say about the above article, is if he did something wrong I hope the judge hangs him. It is not like he is a new attorney, he has been around awhile. The court systems need to stop this kind of action from attorneys. They are supposed to know the law and follow the law.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:54 am

July 11, 1995

Governor Signs Investigative Subpoena Bill

Governor John Engler announced today that he has signed Senate Bill 85, which amends the Code of Criminal Procedure to give prosecuting attorneys in Michigan the power to issue investigative subpoenas. Senator William Van Regenmorter, R-Hudsonville, sponsored the legislation.

"This is a meaningful crime-fighting initiative that will help ensure that truth is heard and justice served," Engler said. "It allows police and prosecutors to investigate felony crimes more quickly and completely than ever before."

The subpoenas, granted with prior judicial approval, can force uncooperative witnesses to testify or produce evidence before, rather than after, a criminal complaint is filed and save countless hours of criminal investigation. Under the new law, prosecutors must file an accompanying petition asserting that they have "reasonable cause" to believe that a felony has been committed, and that the person to be subpoenaed may be able to provide relevant testimony and other evidence concerning the crime under investigation. Witnesses must then appear before the prosecuting attorney to give testimony under oath or to produce physical evidence related to the investigation.

Engler said the legislation supplants the state's inefficient grand jury process of compelling testimony from witnesses and is a tool that law enforcement has long needed. Some suspected murderers and other felons are never brought to justice, he said, because witnesses who hold crucial information refuse to cooperate due to fear of criminal liability or retribution by the perpetrators. Now, a witness who fails to comply with an investigative subpoena could be punished for contempt of court, with up to one year in jail or a $10,000 fine, or both.

http://www.state.mi.us/migov/gov/PressReleases/199507/Subpoena.html


767A.4 Investigative subpoenas; contents; service of process.

Sec. 4.

(1) An investigative subpoena issued by a prosecuting attorney under this chapter shall contain all of the following information:

(a) The name of the person to whom it is directed and his or her address, if known. If the name of the person is not known, the investigative subpoena shall give a general description sufficient to identify the person.

(b) The time and place for taking the person's testimony or for the person to produce the required documents or physical evidence.

(c) A statement that the investigative subpoena is issued pursuant to this section.

(d) A statement identifying the criminal activity being investigated.

(e) A statement describing the records, documents, or physical evidence to be produced. The statement shall describe the records, documents, or physical evidence with sufficient definiteness to permit those records, documents, or physical evidence to be fairly identified.

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-767A-4
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by moneypenny on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:59 am

Darkman wrote:Yes... looks that way..

Justice4Jane forum .... (the one in my signature)

and now, also, Justice4Jane Facebook page (reportedly started by BB ... more likely after hearing Justice4Jane forum was going to start Justice4Jane Facebook as well ... basically "kinda" beating them to it ... unless of course BB planned to open one for a while now, but only came around starting one today ---- quite a coincidence then ... and the name of the Facebook page as well!) :)
So what's next from this guy ... offering a $10 reward for tips leading to a conviction?
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by khintx on Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:41 am

First off: "............Organizers say the purpose is to visibly show the Grosse Pointe community’s desire to bring to justice whoever murdered one of its most respected members......"

I don't see anything here that is Bob bashing or even accusatory so I dont get what anybody is upset about. They want to bring justice to whoever murdered Jane. Sounds like a winner to me.

Secondly:

Bob Bashara's defense attorney involved in pair of conflicts over subpoenas' use
June 18, 2012
http://www.freep.com/article/20120618/NEWS02/206180340/Bob-Bashara-s-defense-attorney-involved-in-pair-of-conflicts-over-subpoenas-use?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs


[snipped]An attorney representing Bob Bashara, who is suspected in his wife's homicide, is being called before the presiding judge of Wayne County Circuit Court's criminal division this week over his apparent unauthorized use of a subpoena.

Attorney David Griem is waging his own battle, filing a motion with the Michigan Court of Appeals against prosecutors for what he calls their unconstitutional use of investigative subpoenas.

The warring over subpoenas comes nearly four months after the death of Grosse Pointe Park resident Jane Bashara, who was strangled in January. Bob Bashara was called a person of interest in the case but has not been charged.

Nevertheless, a subpoena filed in Griem's name was issued to a company last month seeking employment records for Joseph Gentz, the only person who has been charged in the case. The subpoena lists the case as People of the State of Michigan v. Robert Bashara. However, it has no case number.......... [snipped]



I guess Griem is getting subpoena's listing a case that has not been charged or filed yet?

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:33 pm

One Wonders,
LOL .. I see ... --- As to crap, you won't get in trouble, guaranteed... Look, i am not even typing it as a cr*p (as i would for "really" bad words) :)

justanopinion wrote:OMG so now the big Blob is trying to take credit for the Justice for Jane campaign... was an a$$!
I don't think he is trying to take credit for Justice4Jane campaign.... I think, on the opposite, he thinks (or trying to convince others) that "other" Justice4Jane campaign is "after him" and not a TRUE campaign seeking justice for Jane.

That is why, maybe ... on top of his FB there, it goes:

"The OFFICIAL family-run forum for those who seek justice for Jane Bashara WITHOUT accusation, but with love, just the way we know she would TRULY want it."

Notice words with all CAPITAL letters :)))))
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:09 pm

at BB's FB page he / they keep on posting new pictures of Jane almost on daily basis ... for that reason only, I don't really mind that FB page.... as if it would not existed, I would not be able to see those......

Today's new one was this one:

"When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves."

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by moneypenny on Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:21 pm

Darkman wrote: snipped ...

I don't think he is trying to take credit for Justice4Jane campaign.... I think, on the opposite, he thinks (or trying to convince others) that "other" Justice4Jane campaign is "after him" and not a TRUE campaign seeking justice for Jane.
They're "after him" like those who forced him from Rotary, turned him away from restaurants (including one in a building he owns), booed him out of a community theatre, kicked him out of a church festival, hurled insults at him on the street, told him he wasn't welcome at (ex)friend's house, suspended as a rep for a cleaning supply company, and asked him not to show up at Little League games? Compared to those overt ways of being "after him," what's happening in the Justice4Jane movement seems darn right politely tame.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by KZ on Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:58 pm

Ok-- everybody take a deep breath here before this thread deteriorates.

No personal attacks/ pokes/ flames. If anyone has a problem with a post, please use the "report" button and let a mod handle it.

Let this one go, and carry on forward with productive discussion, please!
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by KZ on Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:00 am

Darkman wrote:at BB's FB page he / they keep on posting new pictures of Jane almost on daily basis ... for that reason only, I don't really mind that FB page.... as if it would not existed, I would not be able to see those......

Today's new one was this one:

"When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves."


That's a nice picture of Jane, Darkman.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Freckles on Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:26 am

Shoot. I recall hoping he would be arrested on Good Friday!
Lol The sooner the better, IMO, but make sure the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed.

In the meantime, someone needs to tell Griem he is NOT entitled to ANY discovery UNTIL his client is arrested. So he can just back off and stop the "mini" investigation he is doing. When his client is arrested, he will have plenty of time to get his ducks in a row.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by justanopinion on Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:02 am

Freckles wrote:Shoot. I recall hoping he would be arrested on Good Friday!
Lol The sooner the better, IMO, but make sure the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed.

In the meantime, someone needs to tell Griem he is NOT entitled to ANY discovery UNTIL his client is arrested. So he can just back off and stop the "mini" investigation he is doing. When his client is arrested, he will have plenty of time to get his ducks in a row.


I find it very amusing that Griem actually makes Blob look more guilty with the way he is handling representing him. Laughing I seriously think that Blob would appear less guilty if the liars representing him would just keep their mouths shut or at least keep it down to a simple .... My client has nothing to hide; he has been co-operative with LE; and it is apparent from the fact that LE has not charged him that they believe that as well. Very Happy but then lmbo saying things like my client expects to be charged any day does keep the fires burning! The Justice for Jane movement would have so much less to work with if the man wasn't such an idiot! They are all so good at shooting Blob in the foot Cool
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:18 am

Today's Jane's new "one" from BB's FB "thingy"

Forgiveness is the power that enlivens relationships. Forgiveness keeps life moving forward, creates harmony and makes you spiritually strong.

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by justanopinion on Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:56 pm

Can someone remind me please who is Stephanie Elaine Samuel-Lucas? I must be getting old since I don't remember!

Is that Bob's cousin?


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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by justanopinion on Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:29 pm

Darkman wrote:
justanopinion wrote:Can someone remind me please who is Stephanie Elaine Samuel-Lucas? I must be getting old since I don't remember!
Why do you ask, justanopinion ... Should it ring some bell to us? ... lol :)

Google leads HERE, in any case....

or HERE: Stephanie Elaine Samuel, a longtime member of the Grosse Pointe Theatre. A popular singer, actress and choreographer...

Bob Bashara's relative, possibly? (... if my memory serves me correctly)

P.S.
In any case, looks like they socialize in the same circles :)))) -- Stephanie Elaine Samuel and Kathy Lucas announced their nuptials—they were married in Windsor last December. Congratulations to the very happy couple! ... - Bob Bashara is mentioned somewhere there, in the same article as well :)

Is that Bob's cousin?
Pretty sure she is.... --- YES she IS:

Cast member Stephanie Elaine Samuel is the daughter of producer Gwenn Samuel, who is the sister-in-law of Nancy Bashara (co-chair of properties) ...



okay then that makes sense... she is the person who started/edits the Justice4Jane FB page and is inviting some of the people to that FB page as contributors.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:02 pm

justanopinion wrote:
sorry, my bad! when looking at the FB page I found for Justice4Jane not sure why the link is this but was searched as Justice4Jane http://www.facebook.com/groups/catherinemichael/
she is the one setting the group privacy open and also the one inviting and also the one mentioning the other FB page.. I had meant to quote the page earlier... but am really overtired! so missed it... did it in my head though!
I see ... You are correct, by the looks of it ... - So i guess she is running it for the "family", which probably makes perfect sense, considering that BB, more likely, would not even be able to set up properly such FB page :)

Beautiful pictures there by the way .. for example this one:
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by moneypenny on Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:14 pm

From cousin Stephanie's FB page, two of several that push forgiveness:

    "Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a
    deleted memory. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our
    future."

    "Forgiveness is the power that enlivens relationships. Forgiveness keeps
    life moving forward, creates harmony and makes you spiritually strong."

What are these quotes implying? That Jane is supposed to forgive her murderer so she has a hope for the future and can keep her life moving forward? She has no future, no life to move forward --- she was murdered.

Or that the Bashara's have forgiven Gentz as well as anyone else involved in her murder? Are they saying they don't want to bother sending her killer(s) to prison? Before forgiveness there has to be an admission of guilt --- which Gentz has done, so now he's forgiven? Why aren't the Bashara's asking for justice instead? What exactly is supposed to be forgiven?

And if they think Bob is innocent, why does he need forgiveness? It's a travesty that that FB site uses her beautiful pictures and memory as pawns in a twisted ploy to try to exonerate Bob.



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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:23 pm

It's, maybe, best to ask Stephanie and / or Bob about those things / quotes, as we, here, didn't write them....

But in any case ... according to Google, looks like, the author of those quotes is Lewis B. Smedes

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/lewis-b-smedes
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/lewis_b_smedes.html
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/forgiving_does_not_erase_the_bitter_past-a_healed/214403.html
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Darkman on Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:33 pm

June 15, 2012:

"If we let our resistance down, be calm in our soul, our grief will tell us what it needs from us at each step along the way."



Laura Maurer : "This is a beautiful picture of Jane, she was always ready to celebrate!"
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