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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:45 pm

Witness # 15:  Steven Virgona; met Joe Gentz back in high school (29 years ago); reconnected with Joe in 2008/9; became friends


  • Fall 2011 near Oct:  friend of Gentz
  • aware he was trying to get a new apartment; went with Joe to rent
  • had not met Bob before then
  • After Joe rented apt., witness went back to apt. with Joe
  • Discussion occurred about utilities between Joe and Bob; witness was there
  • Late Oct, early Nov:  Joe and witness had a conversation
  • Joe asked if witness wanted to make money $2K - $5K- doing a hit and run; asked him again
  • witness said no way
  • Sometime later, phone conv. with Joe; Joe said Bob wanted a hit-and-run on his wife for $5K
  • witness said he wanted nothing to do with it
  • Next day, witness called Joe; Joe said he was just joking; don't worry about it
  • End of Oct/early Nov; Joe wanted to get insulin for Bob; then dropped the subject
  • Joe also at one time brought up carjacking


Cross:

  • attorney trying to impeach his testimony
  • witness provided two written statements
  • Gave Feb. 13, 2012 statement
  • lived with Joe for 3-4 months in 2010 or 2011
  • found Joe to be excitable guy? - objection relevance; sustained
  • was there of his own free will to make statement; was trying to tell them everything he knew
  • Joe told him that hit-and-run target worked downtown (didn't know it was Jane); what time they got off; guy named Bob wanted to have this done to Jane
  • Attorney is asking if he put those details into his statement; no, he didn't; only answered the questions asked; didn't volunteer more; didn't mention Jane, work location or hours, insulin, etc.; was trying to help his friend
  • Added details during police report


Re-direct
clarification on testimony; told about insulin later

Re-cross

  • focus at the time was who murdered Jane; yes; was trying to cooperate
  • told about hit-and-run, but they didn't write it down
  • no other details in statement

Discussion on submitting statements to show conspiracy; defense objects; overruled; admitted
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:56 pm


Witness 16:  Jessica Bashara, Bob and Jane's daughter

  • Bob told her Bob and Jane were in counseling (fall 2010); things not going well in marriage
  • Bob said Jane was very critical of him
  • She caught him using alt.com and viewing porn multiple times; source of friction in family
  • Upset her and Jane; Bob said he had stopped using website; Jane found out he was still using it
  • She found text msgs on his phone (get on your knees...)
  • Jane confronted Bob; Bob deleted msgs but said they never existed; lied to her face
  • Discussing financial situation
  • Jan. 24, 2012  4:10 pm she was talking to Jane who was driving home (23 mins.)
  • Jane said on her way home; driving down Jefferson; discussing plans; Jane was almost home; Jane said she'd call witness later so she could write something down (she was driving)
  • Bob called her later because Jane hadn't come home yet; found it odd that he was concerned
  • Jan. 25 - Bob told her Jane never came home that night; witness started calling hotels to see if she had checked into one; thought Jane might have needed space from Bob
  • Bob told her to skip class; later Bob called to say Jane was dead
  • never heard Joe's name before the murder; never saw him doing work at Middlesex house
  • Bob told multiple stories; random carjacking story came out before affairs surfaced
  • When affair came out, Bob changed story to Joe: allowed Joe to do work at rental props, Joe thought he was owed money and came to house and got into dispute with Jane, hence murder
  • Bob said Joe was threatening him (needed money)
  • Bob said he was at rental properties when the murder occurred
  • Weeks later (after affair surfaced and after he was named POI) he said he stopped by the house to get keys
  • Bob always carried big ring of keys out of habit

  • Bob gave press conference; his story about having an affair changed over time
  • Denied at first; admitted later yes, with a woman named Rachel, but it wasn't sexual
  • She saw card with Bob's handwriting with sexual references; confronted Bob
  • Bob still denied sex because he wasn't physically capable; but other ways to have it, even though he denied it
  • Discussing Jane's ring, which went missing; witness used to borrow Jane's jewelry, so she didn't mention it's missing because she was afraid she had lost it
  • Bob said he put the ring in a drawer for a year; he gave it to Rachel; Rachel wanted to return it to witness; but Bob never gave it back to daughter
  • Jane had wedding ring with one large stone (between 2 and 3 carets; other diamonds that added up to 5 carets; worth $7K)
  • She knew ring was missing before murder; Jane knew it was missing; Bob "found" it after murder under dresser)
  • Bob said he hired PIs; he was hoping they would find info to find murderer; Bob said they found credible leads, POIs
  • Found out Rachel had filed PPO against Bob
  • Before affair came out, Bob never mentioned that Joe had come to the house


Cross:  No questions

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:00 pm


Witness 17:  William Schatz; lived in one of Bob's rentals



  • first lived upstairs; moved downstairs because wife was diabetic and couldn't do stairs
  • contacted Bob and explained reason (wife diabetic); Bob charged him for the move (couple hundred more); witness paid by doing jobs around the complex; paid it off that way
  • noticed yellowish Cadillac in lot owned by Bob; Bob had asked if he knew anyone that wanted to buy it for $4K
  • Nov. 2011, Bob came over and asked for diabetic needles and insulin for his mom; witness' wife uses pills, not insulin or needles
  • new tenant arrived in early 2012; witness talked to her
  • Bob came to witness to shut his mouth or he would evict him
  • Knew Bob to have a hot temper
  • About a week after Jane died, witness offered condolences; Bob said he didn't kill her; had nothing to do with it
  • Bob invited witness to a BBQ; met Rachel; witness wondered why Bob was with another woman when he was married
  • Witness composed letter with Stephanie (asked by Bob)
  • Was told to say what Bob wanted him to say, he said he'd evict witness
  • He signed the letter
  • Objection to relevance of letter; goes to witness intimidation; overruled
  • Had discussion with Bob in laundry room; then Tommy (lived upstairs) came in; closed door
  • Tommy said to back off Bob; he had nothing to do with it; leave Bob alone
  • Bob agreed with what Tommy said
  • Tommy said quit talking to police, detectives
  • Witness was scared of both of them - petrified
  • Lawyer gave witness picture of Tommy, witness said OMG! Yes, that's him


No cross questions


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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:27 pm


Witness 18:  Gregory Barraco; knows Joe for a long time


  • hung out with Joe and Steve Virgona
  • Between Nov. and Christmas 2011; Joe asked if this witness would help him hurt someone in Grosse Point; Joe said he was being paid $5K; wanted to hit her with a big car
  • He mentioned it was Bob that wanted to hurt this person
  • witness said he didn't want to hear this; wanted nothing to do with it
  • Joe asked him three times on separate occasions; same response each time; no
  • never heard Bob's last name
  • End of Jan. 2012, witness was asked to pick up Joe from McDonalds (around 10:30 p.m.) (Joe called 5-6 times)
  • Joe sounded nervous; was in a hurry to be picked up
  • witness had been to McDonalds earlier with a friend and they had left witness' car there
  • went back to McDonalds
  • Joe was pacing and smoking nervously; he was upset; talking on phone; he said on phone that he was going away for about 20 years; Joe had a fresh scratch on his face
  • Friend gave Joe the ride he needed; witness left


Cross:

  • showed witness statement he had made; first page not his signature, but the rest of the pages do have his signature
  • Feb 28, 2012 statement given; Joe was already under arrest
  • considered himself Joe's friend
  • nothing significant discussed during this cross


Witness #19:  Laurie Callaway;employed at St. Vincent de Paul

  • Jan. 26th someone came in and gave her an envelope for Joe for some painting work he had done, who was volunteering/working there
  • Pointed out Bob as that person
  • Witness gave Joe that envelope; never looked inside


No cross questions

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:15 pm

Power outage disrupts Bashara case
Posted: 9:07 AM  Last Updated: 47 minutes ago

(WXYZ) - UPDATE: A power outage downtown has disrupted testimony in the Bob Bashara preliminary hearing. The Frank Murphy Hall of Justice is being evacuated until the situation is resolved.

Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/live-preliminary-exam-testimony-continues-for-bob-bashara-in-first-degree-murder-case-of-wife-jane

Rachel Gillette was on the stand when the power went out.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:19 pm


Witness #20:  Rachel Gillette; Bob's former mistress


  • Knew him as "Master Bob"
  • She was known as Bella (on alt.com)
  • Knows person known as obedient slave; and Sir Patrick (Patrick Web)
  • First met Bob Aug. 2008; met online on alt.com
  • alt.com = Alternative Lifestyle; BDSM
  • talked on phone and emailed before dating
  • went to Bob's sex dungeon
  • relationship turned intimate
  • Bob suffered from erectile dysfunction; still intimate through other means
  • Engaged in breath play; choking with hands around throat


COURTHOUSE LOST POWER: Judge King said when they resume, they will go back over her testimony to refresh everyone's memory

TO BE CONTINUED...

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:22 pm


Hearing over for today; will resume at 9 a.m. Eastern tomorrow morning.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Basic overview of this case, with key characters:


Hit men, S&M and murder?: Inside the Bashara case

updated 2:07 PM EDT, Wed September 11, 2013

Snipped:
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The case against Bob Bashara has everything you might hope for from a TV drama: Sex, money, and domestic strife abound. Did Bashara hire his handyman to kill his wife? Is he hiding a secret life of S&M fantasies and multiple mistresses?

What we know:
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Read more:  http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/09/10/bob-bashara-grosse-pointe-murder-case
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Freckles on Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:24 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:Live streaming links:  

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/live-bob-bashara-in-court-for-preliminary-exam/-/1719418/21849316/-/smdpjiz/-/index.html

http://www.freep.com/livestream/article/20130910/NEWS05/130909012/Watch-live-Testimony-continue-Bob-Bashara-preliminary-exam-
(very noisy background; choppy sound)

http://www.wxyz.com/subindex/news/news_livestream2
Bumping
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Freckles on Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:28 pm

Info on power system in Detroit, outage...
http://www.freep.com/article/20130911/NEWS02/309110128/bob-bashara-power-outage-trial
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Post by Freckles on Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:37 pm

Inmate captured:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/inmate-faces-slew-of-new-charges-following-attack-on-deputy-escape-from-detroit-courthouse/-/1719418/21863646/-/v11wtb/-/index.html
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:27 pm


Preliminary Hearing, Day 3 Videos


Bob Bashara Trial. Preliminary Hearing. Sept 10. Bob Bashara's Daughter


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP06iMbr1mw

Bob Bashara Trial. Preliminary Hearing. Sept 11. Part 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_KSXS9aCoc

Bob Bashara Trial Preliminary Hearing Sept 11 Part 3 Court done for the day. Power Outage



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcrFGyMTz0
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by ishi on Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:19 pm

I'm watching part one again and right before Jessica Bashara takes the stand at about 29:03 Bob leans in to talk to his attorney and whispers something that sounds like "this next witness" his attorney laughs and whispers something in return and then says what sounds like "it is what it is" at the end. I have listened with earbuds and headphones and I still can't make out the entire conversation. I am a bit hard of hearing so perhaps someone with better hearing can make it out. They seemed to think it was funny and it enrages me because he was talking about his daughter....whatever it was BB said and it seemed derogatory.
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Post by KZ on Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:28 pm

Holy cow!! Curious Portlander, that is one hello of a cliffhanger!

Rachel Gillett on the stand, erectile dysfunction, breath play, and THEN a power outage???

On top of a courthouse escape the other day, a "smoking gun", Big Bobb using cocaine, etc.

Couldn't be more dramatic than if a bolt of lightning crashed thru the courthouse and struck Big Bobb dead on the spot! Or maybe the Easter Bunny hopping right thru the courtroom, or something. Shocked 

Thank you so much for putting up the videos! Helps those of us who can't watch in real time.

I can't wait to hear the rest of Rachel Gillett's testimony. Must be even more to this we haven't even imagined. Big Bobb's never going to see freedom again.

He is done. Finished. Stick- a- plastic- prison- spork- in- him done.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:20 pm

Jessica Bashara 2012 Interview:

Jessica Bashara defends dad on national television: 'I know that he did not do it' (video)

By Jonathan Oosting | joosting@mlive.com
on February 09, 2012 at 2:31 PM


 
 
 
 
 
 
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Jessica Bashara is standing by her dad.

The 20-year-old college student joined Bob Bashara for an ABC News interview that aired today on "Good Morning America," telling the nation that she does not believe her dad killed her mother.

"Without a doubt in my mind, I know that he did not do it," she said. "There's no way ... I just know how my mother felt about him. There was never any hint of violence."

Read more:

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2012/02/jessica_bashara_defends_dad_on.html
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Nan11 on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Thanks again for adding your notes, CP!  I find them so helpful.  
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by ishi on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:25 pm

Here is a section that doesn't make sense to me.

At 32:30 approximately Lisa Lindsey asks: And did you yourself find some disturbing text messages on your father's phone?

Jessica: Yes I did.

Lisa: Could you tell me about the text message you saw?

Jessica: They said "Get on your knees and give me...." (I will skip the rest.)

Lisa: And did you relay this to your mother and did your mother find out about this?

Jessica: Yes. I confronted my father about it.

Lisa: And SHE confronted your father about it and what happened when SHE confronted your father about this?

Jessica: I showed my father the text message and asked him what it was and he asked to look at MY phone and deleted the message and handed MY phone back and said there are no messages like that on HIS phone.

Lisa: So he lied to you to your face.

Jessica: Yes.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:27 pm

ishi wrote:I'm watching part one again and right before Jessica Bashara takes the stand at about 29:03 Bob leans in to talk to his attorney and whispers something that sounds like "this next witness" his attorney laughs and whispers something in return and then says what sounds like "it is what it is" at the end. I have listened with earbuds and headphones and I still can't make out the entire conversation. I am a bit hard of hearing so perhaps someone with better hearing can make it out. They seemed to think it was funny and it enrages me because he was talking about his daughter....whatever it was BB said and it seemed derogatory.
I listened again with my speakers cranked, and I heard what sounded like "this next witness", but I can't make out what comes after that, either.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:29 pm

Ex-Bashara lover: I met 'Master Bob' on website

8:58 PM, September 11, 2013



~Snipped~

The third day of Bashara’s preliminary exam on murder and other charges was cut short when a power outage forced an evacuation of the Frank Murphy Hall of Justice in Detroit and several other buildings downtown.

Rachel Gillett was on the stand when the lights went out, six minutes into her testimony about how she met “Master Bob” in 2008 on an alternative lifestyle website.

~Snipped~

Earlier in the day, Jessica Bashara, who was away at college in Ann Arbor when her mother, Jane Bashara, was killed, testified about problems in her parents’ relationship. Her father is accused of orchestrating her mother’s death by convincing his part-time handyman, Joe Gentz, to kill her in January 2012.

Bob Bashara told his daughter things weren’t going well, she said. The couple went to counseling, her father accused her mother of being critical of him, and Jane Bashara was upset about her husband’s behavior, including his repeated use of a BDSM website.

“She thought that he stopped using it,” Jessica Bashara testified, adding that he was later caught on it again.

Read more:

http://www.freep.com/article/20130911/NEWS02/309110110/
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:44 pm

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:52 pm

KZ wrote:Holy cow!! Curious Portlander, that is one hello of a cliffhanger!

Rachel Gillett on the stand, erectile dysfunction, breath play, and THEN a power outage???

On top of a courthouse escape the other day, a "smoking gun", Big Bobb using cocaine, etc.

Couldn't be more dramatic than if a bolt of lightning crashed thru the courthouse and struck Big Bobb dead on the spot! Or maybe the Easter Bunny hopping right thru the courtroom, or something. Shocked 

Thank you so much for putting up the videos! Helps those of us who can't watch in real time.

I can't wait to hear the rest of Rachel Gillett's testimony. Must be even more to this we haven't even imagined. Big Bobb's never going to see freedom again.

He is done. Finished. Stick- a- plastic- prison- spork- in- him done.
Hi, KZ!  Good to see you again!

I know!  Can you believe it!  What timing!  If I didn't know better, I'd say that Bob had something to do with these hearing interruptions (inmate escape on Monday, power outage today).

I find it really funny that Bob had erectile dysfunction with Rachel!  Serves him right!

I also can't wait to hear what else Rachel has to say.  We've waited so long to hear from her!  And I love the term "spork"; I've never heard that before; very fitting!

And you're welcome!



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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:54 pm

Nan11 wrote:Thanks again for adding your notes, CP!  I find them so helpful.  
I'm so glad you find them helpful!  You're welcome!
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:01 pm

ishi wrote:Here is a section that doesn't make sense to me.

At 32:30 approximately Lisa Lindsey asks: And did you yourself find some disturbing text messages on your father's phone?

Jessica: Yes I did.

Lisa: Could you tell me about the text message you saw?

Jessica: They said "Get on your knees and give me...." (I will skip the rest.)

Lisa: And did you relay this to your mother and did your mother find out about this?

Jessica: Yes. I confronted my father about it.

Lisa: And SHE confronted your father about it and what happened when SHE confronted your father about this?

Jessica: I showed my father the text message and asked him what it was and he asked to look at MY phone and deleted the message and handed MY phone back and said there are no messages like that on HIS phone.

Lisa: So he lied to you to your face.

Jessica: Yes.
Yeah, I didn't get that, either.  I wish Ms. Lindsey had asked her to clarify that.  What did HER phone have to do with anything?  And she didn't answer the question as to Jane confronting him about it.  Very confusing.  I'm sure we'll get clarification during the trial, as you just know he's going to be held over for trial.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:04 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:@CuriousPortlander

Aww, thanks, Alessandra!  I really appreciate it!
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:15 pm


@Alessandra
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Thanks for posting that video of Jessica speaking up for her dad.  I'm SO glad she came around and realized her dad had been lying to her and everyone else.

I'm just thrilled that his mother, cousin, and daughter have all testified against him. That should speak volumes to the jury when we get to the trial.  Very Happy
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:27 pm


Bashara’s Daughter Takes The Stand To Describe His Porn Problem, Dirty Texts

September 11, 2013 10:06 AM

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DETROIT (CBS Detroit) In what can only be described as cringe-worthy testimony, Jane and Bob Bashara’s college-age daughter Jessica Bashara took the stand in her father’s murder trial Wednesday, describing her parents’ marriage as fraught.

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Jessica Bashara also said she found text messages on her father’s phone at one point that said “Get on your knees and give me ****, b****.”

When she confronted him, Jessica Bashara said Bob Bashara deleted it and said the message didn’t exist.
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Read more:  http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/09/11/basharas-daughter-takes-the-stand-to-describe-his-porn-problem-dirty-texts/
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:34 pm


Ex-Bashara lover: I met 'Master Bob' on website

8:58 PM, September 11, 2013

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As Bob Bashara’s former mistress began describing the couple’s kinky sex life, the courtroom went dark.

It was a dramatic and abrupt ending to a day of testimony that saw both his daughter and former lover take the stand and talk about his penchant for BDSM (bondage, discipline, sadomasochism) and his behavior before his wife went missing.

...

Jessica Bashara also spoke of her parents’ financial issues.

“I know there were issues with my mother’s credit card being canceled,” she testified, saying Jane Bashara cosigned on her husband’s rentals, linking her credit to Bob Bashara’s credit.

Jessica said her mother — the family’s breadwinner, according to earlier testimony — had $800,000 to $900,000 in her 401(k), while her father had $60,000.
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Read more:  http://www.freep.com/article/20130911/NEWS02/309110110/jane-bashara-bob-jessica-murder-BDSM-websites-murder-joe-gentz-preliminary-exam
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:16 am

Live streaming links:  

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/live-bob-bashara-in-court-for-preliminary-exam/-/1719418/21849316/-/smdpjiz/-/index.html

http://www.freep.com/livestream/article/20130910/NEWS05/130909012/Watch-live-Testimony-continue-Bob-Bashara-preliminary-exam-

http://www.wxyz.com/subindex/news/news_livestream2

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by justanopinion on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 am

CuriousPortlander you are amazing... thank you for all you do on this thread as well as on others... 

I feel terrible for Jessica... although she sounds like she is coping!
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:05 pm

Bashara Preliminary Exam - Day 4

Witness #20:  Rachel Gillett; Bob's former mistress; continued

  • Entered a master/slave relationship
  • one partner is more dominant/one more submissive
  • Bob is extremely dominant
  • She's very passive, so submissive
  • She referred to Bob as Master in writing, not in person
  • Used uppercase to refer to Master, lowercase for her; in blogs and online
  • Bob said he was a widower
  • She suspected he wasn't being truthful; confronted him; said he wasn't widower, but that they were separated
  • Before suspicion, he told her his wife had been deceased for a few years; raising his teenage daughter by himself, son in college
  • After confrontation, said separated for a couple of years but didn't post that; widower would get more women
  • Then said they both lived in the same house; no sex for years; did nothing together; led separate lives; stayed together for kids
  • Told her he was living in the guest room (sep. bedrooms)
  • She described to a friend that Bob described feelings of emasculation (he didn't use that word)

  • Aug 2009 moved to property owned by Bob on Mack Ave.; apt over dungeon
  • Saw Bob in dungeon about 2x/week
  • Jan. 1 2009, she sent him an email saying she wanted to break things off; "you were wrong to lie to me; sad to know you would do it again; I'm not the other woman type; all a fantasy; holidays helped to wake me up; has to end here
  • Bob responded with "slave r, no, no, no; you are so wrong; damn it, I love you. We are perfect for each other...I will not let you go.  I want you, period..."
  • Bob thought someone named Mike was telling her to get out of the relationship; contacted Mike to say leave Rachel alone (Bob's shaking his head)
  • She decided to stay in relationship, but not because of this email
  • Bob had a timeline/plan; when Jessica graduated HS they would divorce
  • Bob and Rachel went to Reformatory to participate in BDSM activities; met Patrick
  • 2010; received a ring; Bob said it was his great-aunt's that he inherited; indicated it was a promise ring
  • He tried to put it on her left ring finger; she wouldn't let him do that until he was free (Rachel crying while looking at pix of ring)
  • He gave her a necklace; said made from studs of father's tuxedo; had made into necklace for her
  • Aug 2010 moved from Bob's apt. to another one on St. Claire St.
  • Early summer 2010; Bob needed to sell property on Catchu (sp?); one of rental properties; co-owned with Jane; story changed to sell, but put into a short sale; property got transferred to Rachel; Bob mother loaned him the money; he didn't tell Jane he transferred the property to Rachel
  • June 17, 2010, Rachel sent another email to break off the relationship; partly because he's still married; partly because she's so excluded
  • Bob had a key to her apt; would show up late at night and cry and beg; would show up at her work and bring flowers; called her children!
  • Bob called her kids because he wanted them to know he was in love with Rachel
  • Bob would sit outside her house in lawn chair, blocking her door, crying; talking very loud
  • Bob:  "we cannot let it go"; ready to make a life-changing event for us!  I will not release you; I am your man, you are my woman"
  • Rachel assumed "event" was divorce
  • Rachel was concerned about having a life with Bob due to financial issues (he spent a lot of money; living beyond his means; trouble with creditors for rentals (watch Bob's fingers on video; looks like he's giving her the finger))
  • Rachel had found other communications between Bob with other women; upset because he's married, and now cheating on her with other women; sent email to break up
  • Oct. 11, 2010:  sent Bob email:  finances concern (loss of Jane's income if divorced would adversely affect his lifestyle)
  • Bob responds:  has been accustomed to the best in life; mom is most generous; I'd rather be poor and happy; I am your Master; regarding loss of Jane's income - "oh well"
  • Rachel didn't want to be a part of his divorce; wanted him to work that out without her in his life
  • Bob responded:  You must fully trust me; I cannot cease to be with you...I am the Master, and if you are my slave, you must obey me...kneel before me...you are my love and I want you always"
  • Bob had significant contact with Rachel's friends and family
  • 2008 - Bob met her daughter; 2009 Bob went to her niece's wedding; several work functions, her boss' house for parties; introduced himself as her boyfriend; came to her work very often; talked to all her co-workers; Dec. 2011 Bob went to her daughter's wedding in SCarolina
  • 2010 - promised to spend New Year's Eve with her; she was going to SC to see daughter; he flew down there to be with her
  • 2011 - Both gone for 10-11 days for her daughter's wedding
  • 2011 Rachel unhappy that he's still married; emailed him in March saying so
  • Bob responds:  My slave, ...my situation is secondary to what we have, and yet ending soon...I want you for the rest of my life...soon, my slave, soon...
  • In Mar, 2011, she had told Bob she wanted him to get divorced soon
  • Summer 2011, Bob tells her that divorce was final in May!!! after she tried to break up with him again
  • Rachel didn't ask for proof at that time
  • June 3, 2011 IM Chat:  Now that I'm divorced...she says he lied to her and his wife, but she still believed him
  • Bob made decision to go house-hunting with her; enticement for her to stay in relationship
  • Casual driving around looking at for sale signs
  • Fall 2011 got a real estate agent
  • Every time she tried to break up, he sent her long romantic emails
  • July 2011 Bob sent email:  something to share with you...we've been together for almost 3 years...Sept I will be ready to move out...(wanted her to leave her job and do marketing for his United business)...(plans to sell house on Middlesex)...you would serve me as my submissive, my slave...
  • Bob used to say that Rachel was the one pushing for a life together, but it was him
  • They had talked on and off about a "poly" - 3 or more people in a relationship (had talked about another woman or another man); Rachel thought that would stop him from cheating
  • Promised he would stop cheating if there was a poly
  • Why would you want to stay with him?  I can't answer that; she loved him that much
  • Bob's July email:  feel badly the timeline has not been sooner; will now stop the lying...
  • He painted a good picture of his vision for them; continued house hunt
  • July 16, Bob sent email because she wouldn't meet with him after last email:  set up acct on alt to find her...you are mine...the wait is over...I love you...I only want you, period, no one else...have always put you first...you're a wonderful slave girl to me...I ask you for one more chance...I truly love you...
  • Rachel decided to stay and go house-hunting
  • Found house; made offer; had inspection, but dropped it due to issues
  • Found house at 1011 Kensington; closing date changed several times (early Dec, then late Dec. then early Jan, final date was Jan. 27, 2012!!! (3 days after murder!)
  • Rachel asked to see his divorce papers; Bob said he couldn't find them; might have to get copy from lawyer; next time she asked, lawyer was on vacation; asked why not get Jane's copy; he never responded
  • 3 years, 3 months, 3 weeks together; 15-20 contacts a day; helped him work on his properties
  • Knew about Ralph Lee, Bob Fick (ponytail Bob), Tommy the plumber used for maintenance work; before the murder, Rachel never heard the name Joe Gentz
  • weekend of Jan. 20th before murder:  went to BDSM event with Bob; also went to paint store for samples for their house on Kensington; Rachel became concerned:  story for financing the house changed a couple of times (sell Middlesex and use his half; then decided to borrow full amt from his mother).  She demanded to see divorce papers; said she wouldn't move and change her life without proof.
  • On Jan. 20, 2012, she emailed Bob about not being able to trust him and his lies; demanded proof of divorce; cannot take your word for it anymore
  • Rachel found out he lied about never having been to Hawaii
  • She doesn't think he ever responded to that email
  • Jan. 24, 2012:  she went to work (he called her every morning, including that one); Bob came down there for lunch; called her several times that day
  • Back up:  they had been emailing woman from alt for a poly relationship (Janet from Oregon); in Jan, when they returned from daughter's wedding, Bob went to Oregon to meet her
  • Back to 24th:  talked to him several times in afternoon; Bob indicates later that his wife is missing
  • Jan. 25, before Jane's body had been found; Bob called her at 1 a.m.; very distraught that Jane was missing; he was concerned about being blamed for her disappearance; he gave her specific instructions to contact Janet (slave J) and tell her not to text or call him, wanted to keep his phone records "clean", which she did
  • She said:  "Just because you're having an affair doesn't make you a murderer" - this was before Jane's body had been found!  Told him that more than once
  • Bob called her at work around 8:30; Jane still missing; didn't know what had happened
  • After Jane's body was found, he asked Rachel to come to his house; she declined as inappropriate
  • Bob called throughout the day; at some point he started using his mother's cell
  • Asked her to go to candlelight vigil; she went; hugged Bob there
  • At one time, Rachel had Bob's silver pickup truck (July/Aug 2011 through March 2012)
  • Bob said someone would come to borrow truck and to leave keys under mat
  • Rachel first heard about Joe Gentz around Jan. 30 when it hit the news (hadn't heard about Joe from Bob)
  • Rachel went to police on Jan. 28th; gave verbal statement; wrote statement on 30th as follow-up; never mentioned poly in OR
  • Went back on Feb. 6 and gave more statements; just mentions Bob went to Oregon (no mention of Janet)
  • Received multiple greeting cards from Bob
  • Told Bob on several occasions that she didn't want him to contact her again
  • Around March 14th, she got a PPO against him (she warned him in advance she'd get one if he didn't leave her alone)
  • Kept asking her to meet him
  • Power  and her landline was supposed to be turned on in Kensington house the Monday after closing (week after Jane was murdered?)


End of Direct - Phew!!!

Court in recess for lunch until 1:30


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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Freckles on Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:45 pm

Wow. What a morning, CP. Thank you for all the wonderful notes you have shared.

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by justanopinion on Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:42 pm

Curious I am able to keep up because of your wonderful notes... thank you!! 

    
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:30 pm


Witness 20:  Rachel Gillett; Bob's former mistress; continued


Judge:  appears to be some sort of non-verbal communication between defendant and witness; that will not be tolerated!

Cross-exam:


  • BDSM lifestyle - her choice
  • Oct. 2008 suspected he was not a widow
  • realized she was being strung along by Bob
  • Jessica was supposed to graduate in 2010; that's when she expected divorce
  • only met kids once when they passed in a restaurant; Bob introduced her as a tenant (true, but she was also his girlfriend)
  • also met his mother at a charity event; same intro
  • she was aware he was hiding his relationship with her
  • she believed when he said he had already been divorced
  • Attorney is pointing out how she kept staying in the relationship; even after threatening to end it if he didn't prove divorce, they still went to look for paint
  • none of conversations on the 24th were secretive in nature
  • After the 24th, Bob did talk about some crazy guy, but didn't mention Joe's name
  • She voluntarily went to the police on Jan. 28th
  • She gave the police the papers on the house on the 28th

    Redirect:
  • her lawyer did not twist her arm to get a PPO; she wanted it



Witness 21:  Melinda Jackson, Michigan State Police

feed froze; missed beginning


  • Processes crime scenes as well as evidence
  • Media was already present when she arrived at crime scene
  • focused on garage; also collected hair brush for known DNA sample from a bathroom
  • She didn't collect anything else for DNA
  • No car in garage
  • She drew a sketch at a later date, to scale
  • Going through sketch of garage, and pictures of evidence locations
  • Two blood stains observable by the naked eye; inside of garage door; tested positive
  • A third spot was found; applied Luminol; possibly blood
  • Collected samples; sent to lab for analysis
  • Processed some fingernail clippings she received from victim; one nail from left hand clipping that had reddish brown coloring; shows blood
  • Processed a pair of boots; didn't detect presence of blood; checked for celular material and swabbed inside to identify who was wearing the boots


No cross questions.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:31 pm


Witness 22:   Andrea Young:  Michigan State Police; Expert in forensic biology



  • processes crime scenes, DNA evidence
  • explaining DNA processing; looks at 16 different locations on the DNA
  • Had known samples from Jane, Bob, Joe
  • Compared those to evidence
  • Blood from garage floor:  3 donors:  major is Jane; Bob can't be excluded; Joe is excluded!
  • can do a process YSTR testing; only looks at male DNA
  • results of fingernail clipping (right hand); no foreign DNA
  • results of fingernail clipping (left):  mixture:  Jane and Joe
  • Blood from clipped nails:  Jane cannot be excluded; Joe cannot be excluded
  • Boots:  at least 3 donors; major is Joe; Jane and Bob excluded
  • Boot swabs:  3 donors; major is Joe; Bob could be one of the contributors
  • missed last item


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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:51 pm

Witness 23:  Janet  Leehmann (Slave J from Oregon)


  • met on alt.com
  • met as Master Bob (MB's Bella); Bella later ID'ed as Rachel
  • looking for two women to share house with him in the future
  • Bob asked her to change her screen name (thinks it was to MasterSlaveforYou)
  • Bob sent email to other men to say she was his and off limits
  • Said Bob said he had been divorced for years
  • Said lawyers told him to stay in house
  • Said he and Rachel had been together for 4 years
  • Said it had been 7 years since he had had sex with his wife; stopped because he ejaculated in her mouth and she hated it and they stopped having sex because of that
  • Bob told her he felt emasculated by Jane
  • Bob referred to Jane as "her" or "the ex-wife"; never used her name
  • Dec - Bob sent her Olive Garden gift card; dirty T-shirt with his scent; he wanted her to sleep in it so she could feel him; chain for wrist indicating he owned her; two letters
  • leather strap to wear around wrist; not to wear it on neck until he placed it there; my slave
  • another letter describing T-shirt; you're mine; I remain Master Bob; your master and man
  • Bob plans trip to see her; supposed to be Jan. 18-19; first week of Jan. she was getting cold feet; he had family obligations (sister flying in); couldn't be there that week
  • subject of breath play came up; auto-erotic asphyxiation (sp?); choking; Bob does this to Rachel every night when he tucks her in
  • Dec. 1, 2011:  I can choke Rachel enough to make her woozy; you will be like a kid in a candy shop
  • Defense objecting to breath play testimony; no evidence Bob was present when Jane was strangled; objection overruled
  • Bob told her he was buying a house on Kensington; Rachel would be living there, and possibly this witness; May 2012 was planned date for move
  • She questioned how he'd live with more than 1 woman; he had been living a fake life; wanted to be true to himself and live his real lifestyle
  • email indicating they would each have their time with him, all together and separately
  • Bob told her that he told his family that it would be their last holiday with him, and that he was moving on
  • Jessica was very upset; wife wasn't happy
  • Bob went to Oregon Jan. 10-11
  • Bob IM'ed before trip "soon you will feel my strength and passion"
  • Bob and she were intimate; not normal sex; "it doesn't work"; after the fact, he said it had to do with his weight
  • Engaged in breath play without discussing with her; he came up behind her; she did not consent, she passed out cold!
  • Went to lunch, disappeared for 20 minutes; he talked to Rachel
  • While she was making breakfast, he called someone and said I want this done, done this weekend, done before I get home; what the f**k is wrong with you; she asked who he talked to; he said handyman; yelling and angry
  • Did not plan to see him again after he left
  • He left a collar (leather); left T-shirt, and a pair of underwear on the floor
  • He continued to call; Jan. 18; did she know anyone who would rough someone up for money; handyman was trying to extort money from him
  • Rachel was about to get fired; Bob was so mad at her boss that he wanted someone to beat the boss up
  • Jan 25 - Bob called from an unknown #; Family emergency here; stop all communication
  • Rachel contacted her; said Jane was missing; something bad happened; don't contact him
  • Jan 26 - Bob called J; said guess you heard about my wife; he and the kids are fine; if anyone calls, say we're just friends (asked her to lie for him)
  • Never heard about Joe before murder
  • After she heard about Joe in media, Bob said Joe was trying to extort money and thought Joe killed Jane (he called from mom's # so police couldn't track his calls)
  • He called J agitated and told her to buy Rachel a plane ticket and hide her at cattle ranch in the middle of nowhere; "hide from the courts; are you with me on this?"
  • He said "they are going to turn state's evidence against him"
  • She declined
  • After murder, the three of them (J, Rachel and Bob) were going to go on with their plan
  • She asked him to stop contacting her
  • He continued to do so; she got a lawyer to contact him to stop

    Cross:
  • she wrote a timeline for police (after Feb. 6)
  • Then she was brought there and deposed
  • Feb. 19th 2012 was when she asked him to stop contacting her
  • re: overheard phone call with getting the job done; Jan. 18/19 he said he was being harassed by handyman
  • She said lawyer was confusing her; lawyer said he was confused, too; witness said "no, you're not"; judge admonished her
  • why would Bob call you in Oregon to ask if you know someone who could rough up his handyman?  "That's what I thought!", she said
  • Bob was there Thursday to Sunday

    Re-direct:
  • Correct dates for visit:  Jan. 12 - 15
  • When she heard him yell at handyman, she was present (he was in Oregon)
  • convo about roughing someone up was phone call about a week later
  • she suggested he go to police about harassment; he said he didn't; that she needed to stay out of it



Witness 24:  Mary Morey (worked at Eastern Market Antiques)

  • Met Joe in Fall 2011; met at thrift shop; hired him as laborer at her furniture store (he worked for her part-time from Sept. 2011 - Jan. 2012); she picked him up every day to give ride
  • Jan. 25, she picked him up to take him to work, and she saw a large sum of money in his hand; he was showing it off; about $800-900
  • had told her he was expecting some money (that day and the day after)
  • Jan. 25 they stopped at a cell phone store so Joe could buy a phone; he bought one
  • He used to have flip phone; this was Blackberry or Android
  • Joe said he was waiting for a package and was told it had arrived


No cross


Witness 25:  Patrick Donald Webb (BDSM community)

  • Knows Bob; met in 2009 thru Rachel; PW was advertising party; online invite
  • Bob attended with Rachel (first time he met her)
  • Party was at frat house in Michigan (first BDSM party PW had)
  • Bob attended BDSM events with Rachel; at least 5-6 parties
  • Knew Bob as Master Bob; he was referred to as Sir Patrick; Rachel was known as Rachel at party or little princess
  • Frat house burned down; looked for other locations; talked to Bob about possible locations
  • PW lived on 12 acres; Bob suggested putting club in outbuilding on PW's property
  • Bob offered to pay $20-30K for concrete; PW would pay for the rest; defense objects; relevance; overruled
  • When money was due, Bob said he was having trouble at home and couldn't pay PW
  • Bob attended parties there with Rachel, and other women (Rose?)
  • Bob was concerned about confidentiality (meaning from his wife); talked about him going through a divorce and that he was separated
  • PW asked how he gets away from wife; he said she doesn't know what he does
  • He said it would be cheaper to get rid of her; PW thought it was a joke
  • Bob said one of his neighbors was in the Mafia
  • Bob was trying to help him save the house; said in Nov/Dec 2011, he'd be coming into some money in a couple of months
  • The Reformatory was the club PW built


No cross

Court in recess until Friday morning, 9 a.m.

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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Freckles on Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:15 pm

Bob Bashara: Trial Flooded with Sordid Details


" ....(Jane) was livid; the kids were very upset with him,” Matthews said. “He was watching weird porn and the kids caught him. The kids were very upset; he was going into their emails and answering them, pretending to be them. “(Jane) said he had no boundaries. She said that after (the kids caught Bashara looking at porn), Bob said, ‘Just wait until Jessica graduates from high school, and if you want out of this (marriage), fine. ...."

http://www.webpronews.com/bob-bashara-trial-flooded-with-sordid-details-2013-09
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by Freckles on Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:17 pm

Great notes, CP Cool 
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:33 pm

justanopinion wrote:CuriousPortlander you are amazing... thank you for all you do on this thread as well as on others... 

I feel terrible for Jessica... although she sounds like she is coping!
Thank you, and you're welcome! I'm just glad I have the time right now to do this.

My heart breaks for Jessica. Bad enough to realize your dad premeditated a murder, but when it's your own mother? I just can't even begin to imagine. Bob's incredible selfishness caused so many people so much pain. He still doesn't get that, and I doubt he ever will.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:22 pm

 

Thank you all so much for your kind comments!     I really appreciate them!

I'm glad to know my notes have been helpful, especially for those who don't have time to go back and watch the videos.

I haven't been able to capture everything discussed, so I'm sure I've missed some stuff, but it's rather exhausting to try to keep up with it all, especially since the hearing starts at 6 a.m. my time.  I can bear with it for a one-week hearing, but, just so you know, I have no plans to do this during trial, especially if it's going to last months, as I would expect.  I'd look like this if I did:  drunken        roflao 

Thanks again!
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:22 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:My notes from Day 1:

Witness 2:  Stephanie Samuels, Bob's cousin

  • said that in July, 2012, Nancy (Bob's mother) took her to the bank where her safety deposit box was (for which only she and Bob had keys).  Nancy took out a gun (which Bob said he never owned).
  • She took gun and put it in Bob's buffet.  Then showed it to Griem.
  • She gave gun to Griem; he put it in his safe.



Admin on Justice4Jane pointed out something I hadn't connected.  Bob's cousin said she found out about the gun in July, 2012 and turned it over to Griem.  Remember when Griem was trying to get off the case?

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Posted: 07/18/2012

GROSSE POINTE PARK, Mich. (WXYZ) - 7 Action News has learned the Bob Bashara's attorney David Griem is asking to have himself removed from the case.

Griem filed a motion in 36th District Court asking to withdraw from the case.

In his motion Griem writes, "There has been an irreparable breakdown in the attorney/client relationship as a result of which the undersigned move to withdraw as counsel."

Source: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayne_county/david-griem-asks-to-be-removed-as-bob-basharas-attorney#ixzz2eiqTCxKL
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Griem said he and Bashara differ on case strategy and asserted that attorney-client privilege prevents him from detailing the reasons. Revealing the differences also would tip off Wayne County prosecuting attorneys.

Source:  http://www.thenewsherald.com/articles/2012/07/26/news/doc500fe494d0ecb031489391.txt
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So now we know why.  His comments make perfect sense, now!

He was granted permission to withdraw on 7/31/12.  So, as of August, 2012, he was no longer Bob's attorney, but he was holding/hiding evidence until last week!  Now I understand why Todd Flood, legal commentator, said that Griem could be charged with obstruction!  I really hope they go after him now.
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Re: Jane Bashara -- Deceased 1/24/12

Post by ishi on Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:37 pm

Ah Ha! Bingo! That whole Griem business now makes sense. He kept that gun for over a year. They better charge him with obstruction! Thank you for this CP!

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