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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 2:54 pm

Chester, this is definitely a pitbull defense team. At the beginning I was annoyed, but to be honest, they have gotten things revealed that otherwise probably wouldn't have been. Also, If I'm in trouble, I want these guys.
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Post by stark3923 on Thu May 24, 2012 2:56 pm

prosecution said adam went on a double date with his sister in law a month after the death...defense said he went reluctantly and that adam stayed at home the entire month. clearly this was years ago and adam does have a lover NOW and its said he will marry her after the trial. lina family approves.
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Post by stark3923 on Thu May 24, 2012 2:59 pm

Just an fyi
at every side bar adam n his dad speak. adam is clearly very close to his family. the other members are not allowed in at trial because they are going to testify but they where all there on day 1. no pictures of alleged new soon to be wife = who he met after the death of his wife.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:00 pm

Nope....trashing momma wouldn't help anyone.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:01 pm

What a nightmare this case is for this family.
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:04 pm

I wonder why this case has take so long to go to court. The defense had this witness verify some affidavit and it was from 2007. When the pros questioned him, she asked him about going to the med examiners office in 2009. He denied this, I wonder what that was about!
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:05 pm

This judge reminds me of that actress with the raspy voice who was an FBI agent in Sons of Anarchy, forget her name.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:05 pm

stark3923 wrote:Adam was in boxers n t-shirt...peeps didnt know at the time that Adam had a twin who lives down the street and was wearing a suit n watch.

please note this is a gated community with cameras and they do not show adam coming or going that day or night like prosecution thinks.... see my above answers to Chester

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Seth's wife said on the stand that Seth got a phone call from Adam and they went over to the house and he (Seth) was wearing shirt, shorts and flip flops.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:06 pm

Chester there has been so much in this case that is weird. There have been other instances of people just being contacted recently. Definitely strange. The ME took 18months to come to an official conclusion of mechanical asphyxiation.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:09 pm

Uh oh, is Judge pizzzed at defense????
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:11 pm

She certainly looked like it...lol
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:13 pm

sigh.....when court ends today there will not be court until Tuesday.
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Post by Guest on Thu May 24, 2012 3:14 pm

Chester_from_THM wrote:I wonder why this case has take so long to go to court. The defense had this witness verify some affidavit and it was from 2007. When the pros questioned him, she asked him about going to the med examiners office in 2009. He denied this, I wonder what that was about!

Chester, it took 18 months to 2 years to get the cause of the death from the ME. The ME has already testified & he didn't even do the autopsy, he did a poor job imo, I didn't have confidence in him or his office.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:15 pm

Gonna have withdrawals Tess? not fair
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:18 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Gonna have withdrawals Tess?



LOL I think so. For some reason, I am totally hooked on this one. I can probably get some work done over the weekend.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:21 pm

I know what you mean. This one is interesting to me too. Somehow I think that the lack of evidence is what makes it so intriguing.
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:22 pm

Wow, judge was about to lose her temper! 10 min recess (timeout).

tess, I don't know any of the background, but this case is very weird!

The fire dept captain seemed to have a very bad memory of the events when questioned by the Pros. Almost seemed like he was stonewalling her. It is rare to see LE-related witnesses that appear to not be cooperating with Pros. Do you know what the Pros was trying to get at about him visiting the ME?

And 18 mo. for an autopsy conclusion, that is an awfully long time.

It seems like there were a lot of mistakes by LE. I think there will be reasonable doubt for the jury. I wonder how much longer this will take to go to the jury.

If Baden testifies, that will probably take days at the rate this is going!
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Post by stark3923 on Thu May 24, 2012 3:22 pm

in regards to seth i thought it will come out was wearing a suit n watch at hospital n prosecution witness thought it was adam n thought it was weird that adams wife died n adam put a suit n cologne on?

ALL witnesses testified adam wearing something different = all their memories are different.. pants on, shorts on, top no top. shoes. no shoes....flip flops, wife beater, tank top, t-shirt....
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:24 pm

Lol...def attorney eating his lunch during arguments.
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Post by stark3923 on Thu May 24, 2012 3:26 pm

twin brothers went to college together both to become teachers. seth went on to teach special needs. adam went on to tech high school history. then some how adam went to work for his uncle in real estate. according to defense adam is not rich and is not a developer. adam has 2 kids n all state they where happy married.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:27 pm

Chester I am not sure what they were after with the fire captain. mIstakes by LE is an understatement. You will hear references to orange/brown stain on toilet, wall , magazine.....none of it was collected. The magazine rack was not tested, actually nothing was tested. Only pictures of the scene taken by ME office. Exactly what LE did do is a question. This was the first "murder" case for the lead detective. However, if you are promoted to detective, it seems to me that you should know the protocols. It is just plain bizarre.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:27 pm

Stark, I think that the differences in the clothing is dependent upon who the witness was looking at.
Seth's wife testified he had on shorts, tshirt and flip flops. Did he go and change before he went to the hospital? I am still not sure what Adam was wearing
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:30 pm

Weeziethm wrote:This is not live streaming, but I did locate this resource for some past days testimony.

Chester, this may be part of what you were looking for!

http://miami.cbslocal.com/tag/adam-kaufman/

Weezie - thank you so much for this link!
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:35 pm

I like the argument given by Milion. The judge doesn't want to let this in IMO.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:41 pm

Now I think he should be able to testify to the pattern of fluids, just not what the fluids are.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:44 pm

Why doesn't the judge get this? Even I do.....he is wanting to testify about the pattern of the smear on the floor, not what made the smear...It's crystal clear to me.
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:44 pm

tesstruhart wrote:Chester I am not sure what they were after with the fire captain. mIstakes by LE is an understatement. You will hear references to orange/brown stain on toilet, wall , magazine.....none of it was collected. The magazine rack was not tested, actually nothing was tested. Only pictures of the scene taken by ME office. Exactly what LE did do is a question. This was the first "murder" case for the lead detective. However, if you are promoted to detective, it seems to me that you should know the protocols. It is just plain bizarre.

Tess, even I know to test all those things and my LE background is limited to years of expertise watching "Davinci's Inquest" and "The First 48" Very Happy
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:48 pm

wow, she finally gets it
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:49 pm

I just want to hand this judge a glass of wine...she deserves it.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:49 pm

Chester, I'm right there with you. Just my experience from watching trials, and 48 hours etc. It just makes no sense.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:50 pm

Maybe a bottle of wine with a straw CB
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:51 pm

She needs a "go cup" like you drink coffee out of. Right there on the bench.
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:51 pm

This is so confusing! He can testify about directionality because he is a blood spatter expert, but the witness himself contradicts himself about whether he actual did or did not do spatter analysis. ?!?

And yet no one can say that it is even blood, according to the judge.

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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 3:53 pm

Oh boy, more junk 'science'. Damn you Jose Baez!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 3:54 pm

Chester...I think it is semantics here. The smear is not blood spatter so he technically didn't do blood spatter analysis. But he is an expert in blood spatter which includes directionality of smearing. Did that make it clear as mud?
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 3:55 pm

I think they are trying to get some things that should have been tested but weren't. Since he actually didn't test any of these things, he can't say what the material is. At least that is what I am getting out of this.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:02 pm

True, but he doesn't have to testify to what the fluid was in order to testify as to the directionality of the fluid ie: consistent with someone being dragged to a position to do CPR
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 4:02 pm

This is a wonderful demonstration of our adversarial system of justice.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:04 pm

Adversarial is an understatment!
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Post by Chester_from_THM on Thu May 24, 2012 4:05 pm

That helps, CB, tess.

I think this will be pretty interesting. It is probably just my bias, but I do think the defense is going to try to do something sneaky here. Even if the Pros objects to some Q/A of the def, the answer can get out and the bell can't be unrung, so to speak.

We'll see. I do tend to think the worst of def attorneys since the Ant case.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:08 pm

Chester, I think it is normal to view def attys with a jaundiced eye. IMO, these def attys, albeit agressive, are doing a good job defending their client. It is not my style, but I can see where it is effective. It will be interesting, if the jury talks to the media, how they view the antics of the attys.
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 4:10 pm

In the beginning of this case I was highly annoyed with these defense attornies. The farther into this case though, i have come to appreciate their aggressive style. In my opinion, thus far, they are trying to defend a client that truly might be innocent. I think they passionately believe that.
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Post by stark3923 on Thu May 24, 2012 4:11 pm

the person who did the M.E. of Lina's body was i believe was an itern or student? who did the autopsy then left as this is a teaching facility? a supervisor was to take over but as we saw nothing happened for almost 2 years..except some lab work.... Lina's mom said she/they called more than 25 times. then when they filed a formal complaint the next day the ME ruled it a homicide. so for an entire 18 months there was no manner of death....
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:16 pm

Where do they find these people that have no personality whatsoever? First the ME, now this guy....lol
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 4:17 pm

My thinking is that dead people don't talk, so social interaction is a novelty to them. Hence, the monotone.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:20 pm

Does he kinda remind you of Beau Bridges?
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 4:23 pm

Not for me CB. But maybe I am just spell bound by his dynamic testimony so far.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:24 pm

lol...that is what is making me look at other stuff....he is boring, lets get to the meat of the matter!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 24, 2012 4:26 pm

Good point...I like that answer...he seems very fair
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Post by tesstruhart on Thu May 24, 2012 4:27 pm

If that's the CV for this guy, just can't wait til we get to BADan. that ought to take days.
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