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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by back2back19 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:06 pm

I'm very curious how tomorrow will go.

As it stands I just don't see how AK gets convicted; it shouldn't even take long to find him NG. Unless this new witness blows everything out of the water.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:12 pm

b2b..the rules say if you are going to be here tomorrow, you have to bring food! So what are you bringing? chips ?
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Post by WeeBonnie on Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:43 pm

I'm trying to remember, ha ha. It might have involved a leg sweep to bring him off his feet? He forced me to try one two many moves - which included flipping him and later.... For some reason... straddling him. Ha ha. I was mortified, and it's kind of a blur.
And of course this happened in Florida, LOL. Ain't that the way it goes!




[quote="Chester_from_THM"][quote="WeeBonnie"]A chokehold is definately a very efficient way of knocking someone out. As self defense expert I knew showed me how and I was amazed I could do it! He said a woman needs to know how to get out of it, because it's a common technique a man will use to subdue a woman.

[quote="Chester_from_THM"]My thanks too K Z, your analysis/explanations are very helpful.

I also think she was strangled.

It just occurred to me, you know how you see movies where a guy puts a 'choke hold' on a person, by coming from behind and putting their whole arm around the neck and squeeze in that arm with the other. So that the carotid arteries on both sides are closed off. This would leave no fingermarks on her neck and I think would not break her hyoid bone.

Or is this just a movie thing, and not a real way to efficiently knock out or kill someone? [/quote][/quote]

Wee B - I am so curious how one would get out of a choke hold, seems like it would be impossible unless you were bigger than the attacker. Guess I should take a self-defense class and find out![/quote]

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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:49 am

Chickenbutt wrote:b2b..the rules say if you are going to be here tomorrow, you have to bring food! So what are you bringing? chips ?

I prefer booze. lol Does that work too? We can play a drinking game everytime there's a side bar or objection or Millian gets pissy or the judge plays with her hair. lol

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Post by stark3923 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:02 am

Good Morning my dear friends!! I look forward to closing arguments.....with you all.



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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:02 am

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:02 am

b2b...Who am I to deprive you of what you want? Go for it!

I forgot the judge was going to meet early to hear arguments.

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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:04 am

jailhouse calls will be let in
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:05 am

Letting in jail tapes? Is that what she is saying...have 5 y/o here and she is watching and chattering about Dora..lol
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:07 am

Dr. Mont first wit
Def objecting...to Dr. Mont
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:09 am

Cumulative, should have been in case in chief...4th ME
Damn..phone
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:12 am

Yes chickenbutt she is letting in the jailhouse tapes. She also ruled that the defense can play the other 30 minutes that the pros cut out but the pros said they will need a separate hearing because they want to keep out the other 30 minutes they cut out. I missed why the pros didn't want to let in the 30 min. they cut out.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:12 am

Def still talking...
This is not rebuttal
No new reports
Cardiopathology report that was addressed by Dr. Hyma
Rebutting their own evidence?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:14 am

Still arguing
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:15 am

defs. wants to know if Dr. Mont is there to rebut the pros or defs lol

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:17 am

Judge seems a little unsure of what she should do. Do you get that feeling too?
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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:18 am

yes
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:19 am

Allowing in Dr Mont...surprise!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:20 am

Wits:
Dr Mont, jailhouse tapes and first responder
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:22 am

Pros requesting lesser Manslaughter
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:23 am

Def objects...sorry no details.......Dora getting in the way lol
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:23 am

I just got here....rats....what did I miss
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:26 am

So this new Dr. being allowed is not a cardiologist...another ME?
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:26 am

I really dislike the judge. I am surprised she hasn't let the prior bad acts in. She is practically allowing the State to retry their case. Or it seems that way.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:27 am

Case to jury today? Did I just hear that?
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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:28 am

they think they might do closings today - maybe an hour each...hour and a half??
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:28 am

Chickenbutt wrote:Def objects...sorry no details.......Dora getting in the way lol
Def objects because they do not even want a lesser charge period. They also requested that not guilty be the very first choice on verdict form but judge denied that.
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:28 am

Is it my imagination or is our pretty little judge made up extra special today
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:29 am

tesstruhart wrote:So this new Dr. being allowed is not a cardiologist...another ME?
It is the Doctor who examined Lina's heart. not sure if it's an ME or not.
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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:30 am

totally OT: just like David Gergen...I want this judge to clear her throat!
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:32 am

I can't believe this could go to the jury today, but remains to be seen.

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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:33 am

Pros sending pictures of autopsy to family of Frieda Ismond. Def is shocked.
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:33 am

Good morning Art
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:34 am

Jury back
Telling jury they can take as much time to deliberate as they would like. Hopes case will conclude today.
Dr. Mont up
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:34 am

does anyone know what the jailhouse tapes are suppose to glean?

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:35 am

Dr. Mont
Dep. Chief ME of Nova Scotia
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:36 am

angiefly2 wrote:Good morning Art

morning angiefly2 & everybody, this is a BIG BIG day for everybody.

where is Stark & Chester? their needed, LOL.



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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:39 am

art - stark posted up thread ...said she would be with us for closing arguments. Bet she didn't think they would be today though.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:40 am

Hi to everyone that is here....not going to be able to post lots of details....5 y/o here distracting me..bless her heart (isn't that what the people in the south say when they mean something else?)
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:42 am

Dr. Mont is a Cardiac Pathologist, only testified 3 times as Cardiac Pathologist
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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:42 am

Chickenbutt wrote:Hi to everyone that is here....not going to be able to post lots of details....5 y/o here distracting me..bless her heart (isn't that what the people in the south say when they mean something else?)

cb - I don't suppose 1/2 cup of foo-foo or hot chocolate would help. -g
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:43 am

Cardiac specialization is not usually needed since COD is obvious, GSW, Stab wound etc
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:43 am

summerthyme wrote:art - stark posted up thread ...said she would be with us for closing arguments. Bet she didn't think they would be today though.

oh good, I haven't read all the comments yet, I love hearing what everyone has to say.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:45 am

She had bkfst at home, then got here and ate again...no chocolate for her, she has too much energy already. Maybe some Benadryl? Just kidding folks....don't get all excited Laughing
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:45 am

This is boring
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:48 am

Dr. Mont was looking for abnormalities in the heart that may have caused death.
Found nothing abnormal
Size normal
Coronary arteries and Myocardium normal

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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:48 am

So, big surprise , so far he says everything was normal with Lina
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:50 am

I know Tess...shocking isn't it? lol
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:50 am

This will boil down to which experts the jury chooses to believe. Unless of course the jailhouse tapes have a bombshell in them
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:51 am

Wash, rinse, repeat......haven't we heard all this before? *yawn*
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