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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:52 am

you gotta love Milian...would the government be courteous enough to show it to us.....
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:52 am

lol at Def...."We never seen that before, would the govt be courteous enough to show it to us"
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:53 am

geez...brb
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:53 am

According to Dr. Mont, Lina's heart was normal.

I guess it'll come down to who the jury believes...

I'm curious about these jailhouse tapes, though if they had a big bombshell in them, wouldn't they have been in the case in chief?

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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:54 am

I want to hear the jailhouse tapes too.
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Post by Weeziethm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:57 am

back2back19 wrote:According to Dr. Mont, Lina's heart was normal.

I guess it'll come down to who the jury believes...

I'm curious about these jailhouse tapes, though if they had a big bombshell in them, wouldn't they have been in the case in chief?

But the pros don't want jury to hear 30 minutes which they "cut"....defense wants it in. Hinky!
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:58 am

b2b I agree with you. I think if there was anything really incriminating in them they would have been in cic. If I were on the jury, I would be getting a little tired of all the ME's. This is getting so repetative.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:01 am

back...doesn't look like I missed much
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:02 am

Weezie, who knows what was in the thirty minutes, but just seeing how this judge works, I believe she let everything that was remotely connected to this case in. She leans heavily toward the State. It is odd to me because usually if a judge is going to lean one way or the other it is to defense to prevent appealable issues.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:03 am

Hi Weezie
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:06 am

IS feels this is strong testimony to state that there was nothing wrong with the heart.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:07 am

Over ruled button in full force today...as usual
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:09 am

If they get a conviction, I predict a plethora (like that word) of appealable issues. crystal ball
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:10 am

tesstruhart wrote:b2b I agree with you. I think if there was anything really incriminating in them they would have been in cic. If I were on the jury, I would be getting a little tired of all the ME's. This is getting so repetative.

All it does is highlight that NO ONE KNOWS HOW LINA DIED!

It's also strange that the state edited out 30 minutes from these conversations. Clearly there was no confession or any indication of one or it would have been in CiC, so my guess is it's probably more like with the girlfriend, trying to establish motive or something? And the other 30 mins is of AK being mournful or whatever.

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Post by Tinyworm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:10 am

is there a live chat??
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:10 am

Am I talking to myself? lol
Wake up everyone!!!!
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Post by Weeziethm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:11 am

Chickenbutt wrote:Hi Weezie

I made it Very Happy
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:12 am

Hi Tiny...good to see you! No, we didn't think of live chat. At least I didn't.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:13 am

Another side bar, for those who can't watch
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:16 am

IA with you Chickenbutt. There will be so much for the defense to appeal IF there's a conviction but I still don't think there will be one.

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Post by Tinyworm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:16 am

Is there anywhere I can watch except for cnn? Though I might pull my own hair off during those sidebars:D
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Post by Weeziethm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:19 am

Is that Mark Eiglarsh (spelling?) in the gallery???
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:22 am

Expert now saying that the slide in question is an area of fibrosis tissue..Says there is no way to differentiate what that fibrous tissue is. Says the slide in question represents a part of the fibrous skeleton of the heart which is made up of fibrous tissue.

Is it just me or if I had no medical background, I'm throwing out all the ME's at this point
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:22 am

Tiny, I don't know...I watch CNNLive
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream1
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:23 am

I am not impressed with Dr. Mont
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:23 am

Weeziethm wrote:Is that Mark Eiglarsh (spelling?) in the gallery???

I LOVE Mike Iglarsh, I don't how to spell it either. I haven't seen him though I am looking, Iglarsh is based in Maimi so it is probably him.

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Post by Tinyworm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:25 am

thanks CB! Finally, a working link for me :)
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Post by Weeziethm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:25 am

tesstruhart wrote:Expert now saying that the slide in question is an area of fibrosis tissue..Says there is no way to differentiate what that fibrous tissue is. Says the slide in question represents a part of the fibrous skeleton of the heart which is made up of fibrous tissue.

Is it just me or if I had no medical background, I'm throwing out all the ME's at this point

Me too.... I'm going with KZ and she says not a natural death in her opinion (if I understood her correctly)....and that someone strangled Lina.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:25 am

I think that is the key..."all the parts that I examined" Who says they all examined the same parts of the heart?
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Post by Weeziethm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:26 am

art tart wrote:
Weeziethm wrote:Is that Mark Eiglarsh (spelling?) in the gallery???

I LOVE Mike Iglarsh, I don't how to spell it either. I haven't seen him though I am looking, Iglarsh is based in Maimi so it is probably him.

Bright blue tie - you can see him when they show the Prosecutor.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:27 am

I don't think he strangled her at all....I think he is completely innocent and she died a natural death. BUT, I have been known to be wrong on occassion.
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:28 am

tesstruhart wrote:Expert now saying that the slide in question is an area of fibrosis tissue..Says there is no way to differentiate what that fibrous tissue is. Says the slide in question represents a part of the fibrous skeleton of the heart which is made up of fibrous tissue.

Is it just me or if I had no medical background, I'm throwing out all the ME's at this point

I have read about some juries doing this. BUT! Sucks for the State if that is something they decide to do, they don't have not much left but a shoddy investigation & a couple of love birds.


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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:28 am

In fact....I don't think it matters much what we think...the state has not proven their case in any way, shape or form.
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:30 am

I am leaning toward perhaps this was an accident of some sort, however that being said, the State has not proved that Adam killed her. There is way too much stuff that was not done. LE didn't do anything except put a hand on the hood of the car. The end. This case has more than enough reasonable doubt IMO.
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:30 am

If I was on the jury, I think I'd toss all the medical testimony.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:30 am

Darn it...brb....she wants Mandarin Oranges now.....this child is a bottomless pit!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:35 am

back...still going over the same stuff, I see
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Post by ellejay on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:38 am

Weeziethm wrote:Is that Mark Eiglarsh (spelling?) in the gallery???

--yep...light blue tie.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:40 am

Am I the only one bored to tears? Sad
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:42 am

Hi Ellejay nice to see you. And you are quick on the trigger finger with your screen shots...I am in awe of you Have a cup of coffee with us and stay awhile.
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:44 am

Bottom line. He disagrees with Baden and the other guy...How much are you being paid....1.98 compared to 300000000 for Baden.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:44 am

Finally state done....def up now
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:45 am

Let the fireworks begin!
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:46 am

Aww CB, Mr. Milian will be kind....he's a pussycat at heart.
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:47 am

Okay, so Dr. Mont says nothing has come up, from his knowledge, that changes his mind about Lina's heart. Erm, okay. Nothing you have said has made anything more clear either. I had a better grasp with the defense witness.

Now cross...

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:48 am

I wonder what he is like in his personal life. Can you imagine being married to him?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:50 am

I am more than a little impressed with the amount of knowledge a lawyer, any lawyer, has to learn real quick to defend or prosecute someone. Bet all these lawyers learned more about the heart than they ever wanted to.
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:53 am

I agree CB. Not only do they have learn it, but they have to state things like they really understand it and with the proper emphasis
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:55 am

And they need to learn to pronounce all the medical terms...and that ain't always easy. They were all mispronouncing lethargy the other day....lol
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:00 am

Just to prepare for this witness, the Defense had the weekend. Where do you start to formulate your investigation and questions. I am such a dunce, I couldn't get it together so quickly.
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