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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:02 am

It is kind of amazing to me Tess. I don't think I could do it.

OT.....don't forget oral arguments in the Tammi Smith case on the 18th. (have ya all looked at the calendar here at RC? What a great tool that is)
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:04 am

I have seen the calendar, great tool.

I think Milian is throwing out all these terms and conditions to give the jury a feeling of many different causes of sudden death.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:05 am

I agree Tess, I think he is doing a ggod job tempering the testimony
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:08 am

So since anything is possible, how can you send a man to prison with so much in doubt?

Did I hear the judge earlier say that she will give the State a lesser included of manslaughter? I thought I heard her say that if they ask for it, they will get it. If that is the case, I wonder if that will affect the jury's thinking.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:09 am

Yes, she did say that. The def objected, but she let it in
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:12 am

lol...semantics
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 am

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 am

true dat
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:16 am

If the state gets the lesser charge, I think AK will be convicted of that. No way is he going to be convicted of 2nd but if the jury believes Lina didn't die of natural causes but don't think AK killed her intentionall and there's manslaughter, I think they'll jump all over that. I don't think that's right though since I don't think they've proven anything.

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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:18 am

wow...only 5 glass slides....there were 200+ slides
Like I said....what parts of the heart was he reviewing?
Different slides, different doctors, different opinions.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:21 am

Milian is making a good point....a little far fetched, but good
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:21 am

5 slides with a one page explanation not signed....wow talk about having total deniability
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:23 am

I'm lovin this line of questioning...I am totally confused as to the owership, lost, found, Marrichini slides. Think the jury is just as confused? More reasonable doubt!
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:25 am

On the toilet??
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:25 am

I swear this case is so bad... :/

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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:26 am

What about the toileet? I lost connection and had to get back on
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:26 am

Dr. Mont looking for water.....getting a little dry mouthed at the grilling?
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:26 am

geeeeeeeeeez louise, I would rather walk into a propeller than be cross examined by Milan about anything. He's smart, tough, agressive, relentless, imo, just doing his job.


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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:27 am

Dr. Mont's original report first line said......33 y/o white female found dead by her husband on the toilet.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:27 am

LOL art tart...ain't that the truth
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:32 am

I want this guy if I get in trouble...very good point at the end to take a break
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:32 am

recess for 15 mins...Geez I have to leave in 15 min to take the munchkin to school.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:33 am

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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:35 am

CB is the school far away? The tapes should be coming up next
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:36 am

I just got home I left about 10 minutes into testimony. Thanks to everybody who has been commenting on the trial.
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:36 am

I wanted to be back in time to hear the tapes
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:38 am

CB or anybody:
Where do I find the calender on RC?
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by stark3923 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:40 am

art tart wrote:geeeeeeeeeez louise, I would rather walk into a propeller than be cross examined by Milan about anything. He's smart, tough, agressive, relentless, imo, just doing his job.


If Adam did not have Milan for any attorney - I wonder if this would be a slam dunk for pros?

I wonder if Adam choked his wife - then stopped and she died later....would explain the cough up of sun tan spray ??

nothing explains the hyroid bone not being broken ?
nothing explains why there was no hand prints or belt prints?

i blame the detectives at the crime scene n ME office

RIP Lina she deserved a whole lot better
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:42 am

I'm laughing at Mike Brooks talking about Dr. Hymi. Mike Brooks can't get past the 18 months, I too have a BIG problem with that.

Michelle Sigona has been a good analyst imo, I have been suprised but she has a real grasp of the material presented.

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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:43 am

Stark, the calendar is at the top of the page...calendar...then click on appropriate button
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:44 am

School about 1o minutes away...should be back by about 15 after.

calendar at the top of the page next to the forum tab.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:44 am

Oops, Angie not Stark sorry
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:45 am

ok...taking off now...keep up the commentary til I get back....pleeeeeeeease
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:46 am

Thanks tess and CB Very Happy
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Post by stark3923 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:47 am

My cardiologist just called and cancelled my appt for today yippy- i get to be here with u all day!!
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Post by Estee on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:54 am

Sure looks like a battle of the experts...Wouldn't you just love to see them all in an enclosed room to hash it out??? I have a tendency to believe Not Guilty though it may be due to reasonable doubt...Haven't seen this many sidebars since CA trial.
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:56 am

Pros. redirect...do you see any structural abnormalites in Lina's heart

No

Sudden death due to arryth. vast majority due to structural abnormality
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:59 am

Dr. Mont just reiterating what he said in direct

Overruled button in full operational mode
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:00 pm

objection overruled objection overruled objection, sidebar sheesh
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:02 pm

Yet another sidebar

pul edema is consistent with asphyx death. Dr. is explaining the physiology of this opinion.
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:04 pm

making point that asphyx death is one means of perfusion mismatch...I am thinking this is difficult for jury to process in five minutes
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:06 pm

If I'm on the jury
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:06 pm

Explaining flash pulmonary edema now. It always has some physiologic cause. most common cause is cardiac. Didn't see any underlying anatomic anomoly to cause this
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:08 pm

qustioning doc on slides he received from ME office. 5 slides were cut from same block of tissue as the rest (I think that's his point)
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:09 pm

Objection....overruled

documentation with the slides the entire piece of tissue was cut to make slides. every other slide given to Dr. marachini
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by Tinyworm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:10 pm

Can I please slap this judge in the face?
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:11 pm

judge denied def 2 sidebar request


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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:11 pm

Please Tiny lol
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:11 pm

bringing up addendum report now....

Objection..overruled witness testified he didn't see it

I want side bar (milian) denied

Milian is very upset just tossed his pen on the desk in front of him
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)

Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:12 pm

I think the judge should sit on the prosecution side. It would be more honest
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