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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:03 pm

Defense is saying "There are no victims in case."

Double the amount of coverage that was in Caylee Anthony Case.

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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:11 pm

Prosecutors used victims first names under pictures,
Prosecutors to jurors: "Do justice to these people"

Victim 4 was 12 years old when singled out He was assulted more than 50 times. Both oral and anal. Was going to be sent home on one of out of town trips if he did not participate. He is now 27. This happened between Oct 96 and Dec 2000. He was a fixture at the Sandusky house and spent the night.


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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:12 pm

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back2back19 wrote:Is Dottie supposed to testify?
They just said that #4 said she witnessed the act.

Alessandra, is this a case where wife does not have to testify?


I haven't seen/read the witnesses' list. I am no sure if Sandusky's wife is going to testify, or if the prosecution or the defense are going to call her to the stand.

No Spousal Privilege in Pennsylvania Criminal Child-Abuse Cases

Filed under: Criminal Law Posts,News — Tags: privileged text messages — Steve @ March 3, 2012

"The spousal communication privilege is an ancient legal doctrine dating back to 1824 with the original purpose of preserving marital harmony by preserving marital confidences. In states that in a criminal proceeding, neither a husband nor wife is permitted to testify to confidential communications made by one to the other unless the privilege is waived. As with all rules, exceptions exist. Where a spouse seeks to avoid testifying about facts that he or she observed, where the case involves certain kinds of domestic violence, and now, at least in one Court, when the case involves child abuse, the privilege is not applicable.

Notably, Pennsylvania was one of only seven U.S. jurisdictions that had not repealed the communications privilege in all child abuse cases".

http://fairlielaw.net/no-spousal-privilege-in-pennsylvania-criminal-child-abuse-cases/
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:12 pm

wow - just wow!! and about "histrionics" pathetic excuse!
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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:16 pm

I can't verify this anywhere - but seem to remember that quite some time ago ...one boy said that Sandusky took him to the basement at his home...he knew that Dottie was upstairs and he yelled out for help. There was no reply and no help.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:17 pm

Summer
Twinkie anyone??
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:17 pm

CB - I'm here!
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:19 pm

I'm checking in and out....sounds kinda like a Twinkie Defense to me
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:23 pm

Your guys are cracking me up. Thank goodness for commercials. Twinkie Defense!!!!!!! That will go down in history. I will never be able to look a twinkie in the eye again. (So bad)

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:30 pm

52 Charges
10 Alleged victims

11 Involuntary Deviate Sexual Intercourse
10 Unlawful Contact with Minors
10 Corruption of Minors
10 Endangerng Welfare of Children
9 counts of
2 counts of

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:33 pm

Some of the accusers have maintained social ties with the Sandusky family per Amendola. Going out to dinner and other social activities. Some of the victims were asked to testify for the defense.

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:33 pm

Willow123 wrote:
back2back19 wrote:Is Dottie supposed to testify?
They just said that #4 said she witnessed the act.

Alessandra, is this a case where wife does not have to testify?

FYI - Sara Ganim tweeted that Dottie & matt left before the opening statements when the Judge sequestered the witnesses, so I don't think she was in the courtroom to hear the accusation that she witnessed...

Sara Ganim ‏@sganim
#sandy Attny says accusers were coaxed by prosecutors

Sara Ganim ‏@sganim
Dottie and Matt #Sandusky left before openings when judge sequestered witnesses

Sara Ganim ‏@sganim
Dottie #Sandusky came into hotel room during abuse of victim 4, who was in bathroom w/ jerry, prosecutor said

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:36 pm

Willow123 wrote:Defense is saying "There are no victims in case."

Double the amount of coverage that was in Caylee Anthony Case.

They wish!! There is no way this got more coverage than the Caylee case! Maybe in State College & surrounding communities, but that is expected - there is no comparison betweent these cases!
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:39 pm

Anyone and everyone please step in with information. I appreciate it.

I kind of thought that was reaching regarding the Caylee case also.

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:43 pm

"Jerry Sandusky loves children" Defense


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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:43 pm

Facebook.com/insession is available to answer questions.

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:44 pm

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:45 pm

Willow123 wrote:Some of the accusers have maintained social ties with the Sandusky family per Amendola. Going out to dinner and other social activities. Some of the victims were asked to testify for the defense.

Ok I have to comment on this one - Thanks Willow for keeping us updated!! - - -

Children who have been manipulated & abused (emotionally, physically, sexually, etc) likely don't have the ability to push away their abusers. I am not a bit surprised to hear that some of these boys maintained contact with the Sandusky family, I actually expect it from some of them. The level of abuse they endured over several years would have distorted their "normal". JS manipulated them and the effects of that manipulation don't stop when the kid turns 17, it stays with them for live - that is why they are VICTIMS!
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:46 pm

I actually have a question.....they are showing photos of the vics as young boys. Are they showing photos of JS as he looked back then? Look at him now....he is a doddering old man, back then he was a young, virile man. I think it would make a difference to the jurors.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:49 pm

Didn't say.

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:49 pm

Hubby up from nap....have to change the channel off of IS....darn him!
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:52 pm

Jerry Sandusky trial: Kristen Houser talks about supporting victims of sexual abuse

Posted: Monday, June 11, 2012, 11:22 AM

By CHRISTINE BAKER, The Patriot-News



http://videos.pennlive.com/patriot-news/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_kristen_h.html
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:52 pm

Victim 2
Mike McQueary says he saw encounter between victim and Sandusky in Penn State showers

Alleged offense committed in Feb 2001 (There is a question of dates not matching)

Recounting and reporting led to downfall of Joe Paterno, others

Around 10 years old.

Defense said that this encounter never happened. He may have been in shower but nothing every happened???? Relates to juror #3.


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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:53 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Hubby up from nap....have to change the channel off of IS....darn him!

Slip him some Benedryl tomorrow, he'll sleep longer Very Happy (just kidding)
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Hmmmm...good idea Cubs...and I AM NOT kidding.....lol
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:58 pm

IS said defense will try to knock off victims one by one.

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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:00 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Hmmmm...good idea Cubs...and I AM NOT kidding.....lol

whizzing off to drugstore ...as you read this ! Very Happy
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:02 pm

Today is a school run day, will zoom by the drug store then.
Here honey, have some wine!
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:02 pm

OK, back on topic...sorry everyone Embarassed
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:04 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:I actually have a question.....they are showing photos of the vics as young boys. Are they showing photos of JS as he looked back then? Look at him now....he is a doddering old man, back then he was a young, virile man. I think it would make a difference to the jurors.


I don't think it would make a difference, one of his victims is now 27 years old, Sandusky is 68 years old, he is still 41 years older that the alleged victim. According to the accuser, he was 12 years old when the sexual abuse began, Sandusky was 53 years old at the time that the abuse took place. It doesn't change the fact that a minor child was sexually abused by an older man.

If anything, the "doddering old man appearence" might work in his favor, a juror might feel sorry for "the dirty old man".
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:09 pm

Alessandra, that is my point. The jury looks at him as an older man now, when in actuality he was a young, healthy man at the time of the offenses. I think the jury should she what he looked like then. And I agree about the age differences, but I think it would have more impact to see a little boy and a man in the "prime of his life", not the person they see before them today.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:10 pm

Jerry Sandusky trial: Sara Ganim video recaps opening statements

Published: Monday, June 11, 2012, 1:25 PM Updated: Monday, June 11, 2012, 1:55 PM

By CHRISTINE BAKER, The Patriot-News



http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_sara_gani.html


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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:13 pm

Gotta go...back in an hour and a half......keep up the good work while I'm gone!
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:15 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Alessandra, that is my point. The jury looks at him as an older man now, when in actuality he was a young, healthy man at the time of the offenses. I think the jury should she what he looked like then. And I agree about the age differences, but I think it would have more impact to see a little boy and a man in the "prime of his life", not the person they see before them today.

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That is a great observation! The prosecution should show the jurors pictures of Sandusky from the time the alleged abuse took place.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:15 pm

Victim 8 is the victim seen by 2 janitors. Only one can testify other has dementia.

This was the one where janitor Jim Calhoun (?) saw two feet in the shower. Then saw JS pin boy against the wall and perform oral sex. He asked who to file report with. He did tell people immediately. No report filed. Can't find victim 8. Important that he reported it immediately. He was a war vet and this affected him greatly. Said probably not be allowed because it is heresay now.


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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:16 pm

I think I threw up a little. :/

OMG!

A tweet from a reporter:

Courtney Brennan ‏@WPXI_Courtney
Victim 4 says the showering & touching then escalated to #Sandusky putting his genitals in the victim's mouth. #wpxi.


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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:19 pm

Victim number 4, 90 pounds. Penis of JS was being forced into his mouth. You are right. YUCK!

One of the first love letters was just shown to jury.

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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:20 pm

According to Vinnie:

Vinnie Politan ‏@VinniePolitan
#Sandusky #loveletter: Love never ends.It bears all things... endures all things. I believe that it can overcome all things.Love Jerry


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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:22 pm

IS said victim #4 was not emotional but when asked if he liked going to games and Penn State activies he gave a little smile. He loved and adored the opportunity to receive the gifts he was given.

JS slumped down in his seat with head down.

IS said this is the classic grooming.
We mentioned this before and Alessandra explained.


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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:24 pm

Did IS say anything about the love letters, Willow? I don't know how those can be turned into something innocent. Ick. :/

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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:26 pm

back2back19 wrote:Did IS say anything about the love letters, Willow? I don't know how those can be turned into something innocent. Ick. :/
Sorry, no. They just said it had been presented to the jury.


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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:27 pm

This is coming out even sicker than I thought it would be. JMO

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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:31 pm

Willow123 wrote:
back2back19 wrote:Did IS say anything about the love letters, Willow? I don't know how those can be turned into something innocent. Ick. :/
Sorry, no. They just said it had been presented to the jury.

Thanks. I really want to know how anyone can put an innocent spin on it. He's basically confessing to what he did and declaring his love/caring. Seriously. Sick.

This is much sicker than I thought. I expected it to be bad but I didn't expect it to be this bad.

And the PSU officals decided they wanted to be "humane" by keeping this a secret. UGH! :/

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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:34 pm

IS is calling this the :Jerry Sandusky Child Rape Trial".

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Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Willow123 wrote:This is coming out even sicker than I thought it would be. JMO

Ditto. I knew it would be graphic, but I didn't expect to react like I am - it's just so sickening. I wish the reporters would give more details about how JS is reacting to what is being said - I know the witness testimony is important but it's just too gross to read & imagine. If only there could be a camera on JS (like the KC cam) with no audio, I'd love to see him try to squirm as the whole world realizes what he did to these kids.
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:36 pm

Good, that's what it should be. If even a fraction of what he's been accused of is true, Sandusky is a sick, sick, sick freak(and I'd use other language but I don't want to get into trouble).

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Post by Willow123 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:38 pm

IS
"Victim number 4 got tired of abuse when he got a girlfriend"

Victim number 4 stayed a hotel with Sandusky and players.

Sandusky took 4 victims to Alamo Bowl.

Took 4 victims to Outback Bowl in FL

They are talking more about the grooming aspect that Alessandra explained so well.

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Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:43 pm

From this article:
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_accuser_s.html

"Dottie Sandusky walked into the hotel room, calling for Jerry, Victim 4 said. Sandusky jumped out of the shower, as she asked what was going on.

The now-28-year-old’s testimony will continue after a short break this afternoon in the Centre County Courthouse.

Speaking confidently and matter-of-factly, Victim 4 told jurors that he felt like he was a Penn State mascot. He got to spend his Saturdays with the Penn State football team. Throw balls around in their practice facilities. Watch games from Beaver Stadium’s sidelines. Travel with the team. Even shower in the locker rooms.

“(I) loved it,” he testified"

so this is a little different, Dottie was probably in denial & may not have realized what she walked in on.... but the testimony is that she ALMOST saw, not that she saw him being abused.
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by Cubs Fan on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:45 pm

sorry, didn't past the first lines from the article posted above:
"BELLEFONTE -- The first witness to testify at Jerry Sandusky’s child sex abuse trial said that Dottie Sandusky once almost walked in on him being abused in a hotel shower.

It was during a Penn State bowl game trip, and Sandusky had just threatened that he would be sent home if he resisted, alleged Victim 4 testified."
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Re: Jerry Sandusky Trial

Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:45 pm

I'm thinking PSU swept this under the rug and prayed it would go away...but then they kept Sandusky on, go figure!
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