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Post by summerthyme on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:25 pm

I think he is guilty - but have no idea what the jury will do.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:26 pm

MY CNN is still showing the clock...geez
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:26 pm

got it...
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Post by Weeziethm on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:28 pm

back2back19 wrote:NG. Not even remotely saying AK is innocent(I have no idea what the heck happened that night and no one else does either, hence the vast array of professional opinions) but I don't think the state has proven it's case. Like at all.


I agree, b2b, with all of your statements above.

As much as it pains me for Lina because something's rotten in Denmark about that night, but I just don't know "what"...
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:32 pm

Weeziethm wrote:

I agree, b2b, with all of your statements above.

As much as it pains me for Lina because something's rotten in Denmark about that night, but I just don't know "what"...

Yup. If there had been a better investigation, maybe we'd know what happened that night but there wasn't and we don't. I couldn't convict on anything based on what the state showed. I am still on the fence as to whether he's guilty or not.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:49 pm

Geez louise.....can so many things happen at once...
kids fighting
Phone ringing
hubby yakking
and closing arguments (which I am totally missing)
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:53 pm

I think he is hitting on the important points, but I wish his delivery was better. I don't know why, I just wish it was a little more organized or less editorial
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:55 pm

Would you prefer Milian?
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:00 pm

Meh. I like him better than the other guy who did the State's closing. I think he's doing well. He isn't a great speaker though but he's doing well imo.

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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:02 pm

I don't think so, he gets too excited. It's just for some reason, he stammers through some of this stuff. It's just not sitting well. The facts are there, just the delivery that bothers me.
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:17 pm

I think he's getting a bit better. Still not that great of a speaker but I think he's making a good case.

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Post by stark3923 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:17 pm

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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:21 pm

I missed the beginning of the def. closing. Does anyone know if the Def. has has explained reasonable doubt and what it really means to the jury?
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:24 pm

never mind here he goes....
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:30 pm

Crap....what happened...is it over....gone to jury?
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Post by back2back19 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:31 pm

Nope. Dude is still yapping.

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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:31 pm

This part is a little better
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:32 pm

He explained the 911 call to jury. I think he did a pretty good job of that
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:40 pm

I lost CNN then.....screen was black..thought it was over. Refreshing now
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:40 pm

My Cnn keeps switching over to some other broadcast...maddening
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:41 pm

Help...CNNLive says end of stream....did I miss it or is my connection screwed?
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:42 pm

go out and go back in...its still on
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:42 pm

Hatin CNN right now...
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:43 pm

Finally got it back....
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:49 pm

Do judges normally interrupt attorneys during closing stmts?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:54 pm

Now what...screen is black again....is it over. I sure hope IS shows this in the morning....I cannot cook two meals at two different times and watch closing stmts....Just can't!
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:55 pm

This should be just a rehash tomorrow morning. the prosecution gets another 45 minutes or so and then jury instructions. So, how long will the jury be out? I think not too long.
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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:09 pm

Tess,
I have a feeling the jury will be out for a while on this one. MOO
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Post by Chickenbutt on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:11 pm

Holy crap...I am so frustrated!! trying to cook, not nowing waht happened. Did the defense finish their stmt and tomorrow is the Pros rebuttal and jury instructions?
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Post by tesstruhart on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:14 pm

Yes, CB the defense is done and prosecution will go about 45 min. or so tomorrow then jury instructions, then we wait.

I am just thinking if I was on the jury the P has not proven the basic tenents of the charge.

According to the P themselves they need to prove 3 things.

1. Lina is dead

2. was caused by husband (didnt prove this one)

can't remember what three was something about depraved action

anyway they never proved he did it. They talked about him squeezing the life out of her, but he is not even charged with strangulation.

Just my thought
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Post by suz1729 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:20 pm

Not quilty ONLY because of botched investigation.I have believed Adam is guilty ever since I heard about the deep tissue damage in the neck.
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:32 pm

tesstruhart wrote:This should be just a rehash tomorrow morning. the prosecution gets another 45 minutes or so and then jury instructions. So, how long will the jury be out? I think not too long.

tess, I went to the movie this afternoon & missed everything, did the Defense conclude their closing argument? I have a dental apt. tomorrow @ 10:30, I hope they conclude by that time.

Did the defense do a good job? Did the STATE pull it together for their closing?

I agree, I don't think the jury is going to be out too long on this case.

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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:36 pm

The State did alright and the defense did about the same. Kinda disappointed... I expected more from the defense but IMO they both did about the same. I do want to say though that the state IMO still didn't prove their case but you just never know with a jury.
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:36 pm

suz1729 wrote:Not quilty ONLY because of botched investigation.I have believed Adam is guilty ever since I heard about the deep tissue damage in the neck.

suz1729, I agree, NOT guilty, I don't know if Adam is guilty or not, but imo, the State didn't prove it. I agree too, the botched investigation is a real problem, it puts everything in a bad light. Too, imo, the State was weak in their delivery & presentation of information, they didn't help themselves, they were a little rough around the edges imo.

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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:39 pm

angiefly2 wrote:The State did alright and the defense did about the same. Kinda disappointed... I expected more from the defense but IMO they both did about the same. I do want to say though that the state IMO still didn't prove their case but you just never know with a jury.

I am disappointed to hear the Defense didn't do so well, I expected a passionate closing pointing out all the faults in the State's case. I agree, the State didn't prove their case but after KC's verdict, I can't imagine what the jury is going to do in this case.

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Post by angiefly2 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:42 pm

Well the def. did point out all the mistakes and stuff but he just wasn't passionate and a little boring. Maybe he should have let Milain do the closings instead. I just felt it was a bit dry and could have got lost on the jury very easily. I could be wrong though. I'm sure others thought they did good.
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Post by stark3923 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:55 pm

imo defense did a jury consult n found the jury would be more swayed by the tall dude.... milian might come off as a bully to jurors?

is it true the defense wanted to split the close = the 1.5 hours between the 2? the tall one n milan? n the judge said NO?

If the judge said NO = i will state that i have seen many trials that the defense broke it up into 2 diff peeps....including the kc case...
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Post by stark3923 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:06 pm

when the trials over where will i go in the morning? where do u all hang out? i need a new home?
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Post by Guest on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:44 pm

Closing Arguments:.

The judge will send the case to the jury on Tuesday. Adam Kaufman is accused of murdering his wife. The defense says he’s a victim of a botched investigation.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/04/2831357/murder-trial-of-aventura-real.html#storylink=cpy

video/articlehttp://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Closing-Arguments-Expected-in-Aventura-Murder-Trial-156968005.html

The state began closing arguments shortly after 3 p.m. Monday. The defense will be given the courtroom floor beginning at 9 a.m. Tuesday.

article/videohttp://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/06/04/closing-arguments-monday-in-aventura-developers-murder-trial/





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Post by emberl on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:49 pm

Um, the defense already gave their closing arguments this afternoon/

The prosecution will give their rebuttal and then the judge will give the jurors their instructions.

Then the jury will deliberate.

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Post by emberl on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:51 pm

summerthyme wrote:I think he is guilty - but have no idea what the jury will do.



I think he's guilty also.

Never know what a jury will do......we all know that from a case in florida last year...

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Post by emberl on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:02 pm

angiefly2 wrote:Well the def. did point out all the mistakes and stuff but he just wasn't passionate and a little boring. Maybe he should have let Milain do the closings instead. I just felt it was a bit dry and could have got lost on the jury very easily. I could be wrong though. I'm sure others thought they did good.



He pointed out "mistakes"........no investigation is perfect, ever.

He just kept saying the same thing over and over and over.

If I was a juror, I would say, enough already, I heard it ........

I was not impressed at all.

The prosecution made some really good points, like the expert the defense put on, and demonstrated how her neck fell on the magazine rack and left the imprint on her neck...only problem was, the magazine rack was positioned in a different position than the doc showed the jury.

The doc demonstrated that the handle of the rack was left to right, while in reality, as shown on the pic's, the handle really was from the front of the basket the back of the bathroom wall, when the LE made the pic's after they arrived there.

Also IF her head had fallen down like that, it would have hit the wall, hard...and what ever bruising accrued in her neck would have looked different.


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Post by emberl on Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:08 pm

Oh and in the jail conversation between adam and his brother, one of them said something like: we did not leave the magazine rack how we liked it to be, something like that.

Now why is that?

They also talked about the tanning, and the effect it might have 12 hours later.

And at one point Adam referred to himself as "Roy".

Why would he do that?

Hinky if you ask me.

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Post by angiefly2 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:48 am

Just a reminder that Court starts at 8:45am today.
I will put up a link as soon as it is available for live streaming.
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Post by angiefly2 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:31 am

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cvplive/cvpstream3
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Post by Chickenbutt on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:38 am

OK...I am here, not awake, but here. Haven't even sipped by coffee yet.
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Post by angiefly2 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:42 am

I love you Here I have another cup for you CB :)
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Post by angiefly2 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:49 am

There is action in the courtroom but no sound yet.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:52 am

I got no sound either
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Post by Chickenbutt on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:52 am

There it is
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