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Post by tesstruhart on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:08 am

There is just relief and joy...good for them
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:14 am

Tess - thanks for the image of the pros...I wondered about that. I think I saw Matthewman finger strumming a few times during the trial.
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:20 am

I really want to see the talk with the foreman.

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Post by Weeziethm on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:21 am

angiefly2 wrote:Weezie,
I am glad you shared your opinion, I really enjoy hearing "the other side of the coin" so to speak. For me, I feel like Adam is innocent but sometimes my mind did wander and I would think maybe "this or that" happened and he did something to cause it. But then I would hear something during the trial and I would be back to Adam being innocent or at the least not guilty (which we all know doesn't always mean innocent) Truth is the whole story is never told in court for a plethora of reasons, one being, the courts aren't always allowed to allow certain evidence in, and another is that the state screwed this case from the start. So we may never know the whole truth. I can honestly say though, IMO, the jury did the right thing today and justice was served. Hope this made sense lol.

Unfortunately, I do agree that we will never know the whole truth. And as Art Tart commented....the State failed Lina. I think the verdict was just given the dismal investigation, but I've got to say that there are aspects that keep me unsettled. While I personally cannot concede "innocence" - I do agree on Not Guilty. IMO.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:24 am

I am here watching IS....anyone else here?
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:26 am

I sure am......
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:26 am

Weeziethm wrote:

Unfortunately, I do agree that we will never know the whole truth. And as Art Tart commented....the State failed Lina. I think the verdict was just given the dismal investigation, but I've got to say that there are aspects that keep me unsettled. While I personally cannot concede "innocence" - I do agree on Not Guilty. IMO.


I feel about the same. I lean a bit more towards AK being innocent though but IA, we'll never know the answers and there are questions but fact is, the State failed, the investigators failed, the judge failed... and I'd rather a guilty man go free than an innocent one be put to jail for the rest of his life. That's the way it's set up.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:26 am

Good morning Summer
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:27 am

Adam is well spoken...as is Seth.
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:29 am

cb - is it quiet at your house ?? -g
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Post by Weeziethm on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:30 am

back2back19 wrote:
Weeziethm wrote:

Unfortunately, I do agree that we will never know the whole truth. And as Art Tart commented....the State failed Lina. I think the verdict was just given the dismal investigation, but I've got to say that there are aspects that keep me unsettled. While I personally cannot concede "innocence" - I do agree on Not Guilty. IMO.


I feel about the same. I lean a bit more towards AK being innocent though but IA, we'll never know the answers and there are questions but fact is, the State failed, the investigators failed, the judge failed... and I'd rather a guilty man go free than an innocent one be put to jail for the rest of his life. That's the way it's set up.

AMEN !!
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:31 am

This is amazing footage.

I hope the State mans up and talks.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:32 am

No...a rug rat here until noon...then on to school. Then back again in the afternoon. Son's schedule all messed up this week. I usually only have the kids on Monday....been 3 days this week....I'm tired!! lol
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:33 am

oh - what footage b2b, I get all my info from you guys?
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:33 am

cb - you are amazing - a whirlwind!!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:35 am

Not amazing...just a Nana....
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:36 am

summerthyme, the interviews and the footage in the courtroom. It's amazing stuff. The emotions brings me to tears.

The foreman will be on in 25 minutes.

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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:37 am

ty b2b xoxo
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:39 am

I hope someone asks about the pet question
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:40 am

Ahhhh...IS says they are going to ask the foreman about the pet question
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Post by tesstruhart on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:41 am

I have a two month old that I am feeding so typing is not really possible right now, but I'm here
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:43 am

oh yes - I do too. ?about pets - I may have gone overboard yesterday about the "fish"...maybe they just meant doggies and meows. I know this is gossip--sorry about that...someone-someplace else said when more comes out about AK - we will all be surprised. What the hey!! Like how will we ever know more?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:45 am

lol...I crack me up.....Lizzy was making me crazy, so I said to her "Papa really misses you when you are at school. Why don't you go up to the office and color?' Hubby is up there on his computer....hahahah. And off she goes. Take that hubby!!!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:46 am

Mornng Tess. Good to see you.
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:47 am

lolol...good job - great directions, cb

and Tess has a gurgling hungry package -g
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:49 am

So what is the next trial we are going to watch? Drew Peterson? (Dirtbag)
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:50 am

how - in all that is holy...can I wait until July 28?

maybe read War & Peace?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:51 am

lol....Just keep your eye on IS. They will probably run some obscure trial between now and then.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:53 am

I remember way back when, when IS was Court TV, the first trial I ever watched and became obsessed with was a woman driver who mowed down a bunch of kids picking up trash along the highway in Vegas. I was hooked after that.
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:53 am

Yeah, I think I'll probably just use a salt shaker when the rumours/gossip come out 'cause seriously, HTH are we to know whether it's true or not? You just don't know.

I am curious what the foreman says. I think I've said that 80 times already. According to IS, it seems like the jury connected with AK. Also, another juror said s/he couldn't convict without a clean cut motive or explanation. The medical experts were all different. It seemed like they kinda dismissed the medical testimony since it was all different and confusing.

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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:54 am

no tv here at the cottage...just my notebook (wifi) a 6 hr. battery before I have to plug in....and NPR.

so that's nuttin and more nuttin and no commercials
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:55 am

Jury Foreman on IS now
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Post by tesstruhart on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:56 am

Ok, just put her down, I probably have five minutes til it comes out the other end :)
I am interested about the dogs, cats turtles and fish too
I still have a WTH reaction with that question
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:56 am

Pros fell short with accusation, but no evidence
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Post by tesstruhart on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:57 am

Jury foreman is well spoken...jury had brains...yea
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Post by Weeziethm on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:57 am

Chickenbutt wrote:So what is the next trial we are going to watch? Drew Peterson? (Dirtbag)

That one and also Christopher Vaughn (jury selection begins August 13) who is accused of shooting his wife and three children to death (2007) in the family's SUV on the way to a water park. This is in the Chicago Will County area. This trial will overlap Drew Peterson's.

And before that we have Tammi Smith's sentencing!
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:58 am

Dr Hyma did not personally do autopsy, relied on others reports. Det Angula did not testify.
Asking about neck injuries: Dr. Baden said it the most, she died with the marks not because of the marks
No proof AK harmed his wife
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:59 am

Very intelligent jury foreman
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:00 am

The Drew Peterson case scares me. I think he's guilty but I worry it'll be like this case. :/

Foreman seemed to indicate they didn't really trust Hyma's opinion as he didn't actually do the autopsy. He relied on others. He also mentioned Anguella and how he didn't testify. He also seemed to think Baden was more believable and bought his explaination that Lina died with the neck injuries but not because of them.

He says the state showed that something happened but not beyond all exclusion of reasonable doubt that AK did anything to her.

He'll be live with IS in a few minutes.

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Post by tesstruhart on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:00 am

Weezie, I want to see what Tammi is sentenced too also. I was so disappointed with the 30 days that Dharun Ravi got. I felt for the family of the young man that committed suicide, like 30 days was ok. anyway, we'll see. Eliz. Johnson trial in Sept.
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:00 am

Weezie, I don't know the C Vaughn case. Is there a thread on RC for it?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:01 am

I wanna see Tammi go to jail...at least for awhile. Show her how "the other half" lives.
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Post by tesstruhart on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:01 am

b2b, I know, Drew Peterson is diabolical. I am not sure of the facts of the case but isn't this the one where she drown in a dry bathtub?
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:03 am

Jury foreman again
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Post by summerthyme on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:05 am

about D.Peterson - my plan is to read up on him, gather credible information....and try to put aside my strong feelings that he is an arrogant a$$hat. I hope the pros.in that case are putting noses to the grindstone and burning the midnight oil. One can only hope..........
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:06 am

Sounds like the jury worked very hard very fairly
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:06 am

Important that Lina's mom was supportive
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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:07 am

Patchy myocarditis..happened to come about that day
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Post by back2back19 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:07 am

Yeah, Tess, they say she drowned but at first it was ruled accidental and I think Baden or some other television medical examiner did another autopsy after his second wife disappeared and called it a drowning. Something like that. I think DP did it but yeah, I'm not sure how they're gonna prove it. That man is evil. Like I think he did something to Stacey but I don't think they'll ever be able to prove it or find her.

I haven't read anything in a long time though. I tend to go into these trials knowing as little as possible and see what the state/defense do. Like with this case, I hadn't ever heard of it before I found it when I was sick. lol

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Post by Chickenbutt on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:09 am

He thinks she was standing, became faint, tried to catch self, then found self on magazine rack causing compression, unable to call for help.
Jury was unanimous in they think what happened.
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