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Post by Gizmo711 on Sat May 26, 2012 11:15 am

WeeBonnie wrote:Does anyone think there were "clear sounds of a struggle" during those whimpering cries for help? I didn't at all. To me it sounded like that person crying was fairly still- but the ABC report on GZ knowing the police said that. First I've heard that.
Anyone?

I don't hear any sounds of a struggle. Certainly not a scream from soemone having their head banged in the cement. It sounds more like someone screaming because they were seeing their death coming. It was clearly a scream for help.

I ceratinly cannot see someone screaming like that while holding a 9mm pointed at someone else.

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Post by Gizmo711 on Sat May 26, 2012 11:16 am

Alessandra_Deux wrote:
DebFrmHell wrote:Oh the horrors! affraid affraid affraid
He walking in a public area of a police station.




Bottom meet barrel.

I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

Had the tables been turned, I wonder if Trayvon would have had that advantage of walking around the police dept without an escort?

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Post by WeeBonnie on Sat May 26, 2012 11:27 am

I didn't see the point there at first, but yeah - its doubtful they would have allowed Travon the same privledge.

Thanks for your perspective!


Gizmo711 wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:
DebFrmHell wrote:Oh the horrors! affraid affraid affraid
He walking in a public area of a police station.




Bottom meet barrel.

I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

Had the tables been turned, I wonder if Trayvon would have had that advantage of walking around the police dept without an escort?

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Post by ellejay on Sat May 26, 2012 11:45 am

Alessandra_Deux wrote:
I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

--at the bond hearing we learned that george was questioned by LE the night of the 26th and again a couple of times on the 27th (also doing the reenactment that day).

--this video is from the 29th. it appears to me that he's there to drop something off (the paper(s) that he's got in his hand).

--i don't believe that anyone is "escorted" around by a cop when you're just out in the admin area of the police station.

--ABC's word choice in the article ---"zimmerman roaming the police station" is misleading (shocker) since all we see is him briefly walking up the stairs.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349
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Post by angela_nw on Sat May 26, 2012 11:59 am

Can someone post a link to the "community forum" you were discussing earlier today? Thanks.
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Post by Guest on Sat May 26, 2012 12:05 pm

ellejay wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:
I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

--at the bond hearing we learned that george was questioned by LE the night of the 26th and again a couple of times on the 27th (also doing the reenactment that day).

--this video is from the 29th. it appears to me that he's there to drop something off (the paper(s) that he's got in his hand).

--i don't believe that anyone is "escorted" around by a cop when you're just out in the admin area of the police station.

--ABC's word choice in the article ---"zimmerman roaming the police station" is misleading (shocker) since all we see is him briefly walking up the stairs.

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349[/quote[/url]]

Ellejay, It's ridiculous the interest ABC/NBC/CBS, the list is endless of the news organizations that have clearly misrepresented information in the case that has contributed to inflaming the public, pro/con. You make just another example of the poor choice of words imo, CAREFULLY CHOSEN, the news organzations are using to keep many inflamed, it's unfortuate that many can't see it.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat May 26, 2012 12:38 pm

art tart wrote:
ellejay wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:
I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

--at the bond hearing we learned that george was questioned by LE the night of the 26th and again a couple of times on the 27th (also doing the reenactment that day).

--this video is from the 29th. it appears to me that he's there to drop something off (the paper(s) that he's got in his hand).

--i don't believe that anyone is "escorted" around by a cop when you're just out in the admin area of the police station.

--ABC's word choice in the article ---"zimmerman roaming the police station" is misleading (shocker) since all we see is him briefly walking up the stairs.

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349[/quote[/url]]

Ellejay, It's ridiculous the interest ABC/NBC/CBS, the list is endless of the news organizations that have clearly misrepresented information in the case that has contributed to inflaming the public, pro/con. You make just another example of the poor choice of words imo, CAREFULLY CHOSEN, the news organzations are using to keep many inflamed, it's unfortuate that many can't see it.

Whether we agree or not, this story is an issue of public interest, every word, every action, from any of the parties involved, is going to be questioned, scrutinized and dissected, not only by the media, but also by the public. The Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case continues to top the list of the stories the public is following right now.
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by ellejay on Sat May 26, 2012 12:48 pm

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/

Explanation of Zimmerman Defense’s Motion to Delay Release of Documents on 25 May 2012.


On May 24, we filed a motion regarding specific points of discovery. This motion was filed soon after the prosecution filed a very similar motion requesting certain evidence to be sealed, in addition to the names and addresses of specific witnesses. The defense motion also requests more time to review certain evidence before these items are made public.

As we go through this process, we only ask that the public understand that there are still limits on what information, having been gathered by a broad investigation, is relevant to the criminal case and therefore open for public review. Should the entirety of a person’s private life be disclosed to the public because he or she has been accused, rightfully or wrongfully, of a crime?

This issue is for the Court to decide, and a hearing for consideration of these motions has been set for June 1.

We understand that there is strong public interest in the Zimmerman case, and our motion is not meant to deprive the public of their right to know relevant information. We also understand that media companies have signaled their intentions to press for release of evidence even if the Court should deny the motions.

While it is true that all relevant evidence -- and witnesses -- that are admissible at trial will be released publicly, there are some pieces of information that may be considered irrelevant or otherwise inadmissible, and public scrutiny of them may further negatively affect our ability to seat a fair and impartial jury. That should be the focus when attempting to answer these questions.
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by WeeBonnie on Sat May 26, 2012 1:11 pm

I agree there's been sloppy reporting, anything to sensationalize the situation.
In one report from channel 7, it said there was sounds of a struggle and a cry for help. Singular. As if it weren't prolonged whimpering. But it is interesting how the police denied knowing George all that well.
And it appears GZ gained these cops trust, only to use it against them. Is he stupid enough to think if he ratted out some bad apples they'd make room for him on the force? He was never going to be hired after his altercation with the ATF officer. Maybe he was busting their chops because he knew he'd blown it.

It's hard to get in GZs head, of you're a peaceable and reasonable sort!



art tart wrote:
ellejay wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:
I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

--at the bond hearing we learned that george was questioned by LE the night of the 26th and again a couple of times on the 27th (also doing the reenactment that day).

--this video is from the 29th. it appears to me that he's there to drop something off (the paper(s) that he's got in his hand).

--i don't believe that anyone is "escorted" around by a cop when you're just out in the admin area of the police station.

--ABC's word choice in the article ---"zimmerman roaming the police station" is misleading (shocker) since all we see is him briefly walking up the stairs.

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-knew-sanford-police-officers-shooting/story?id=16414349[/quote[/url]]

Ellejay, It's ridiculous the interest ABC/NBC/CBS, the list is endless of the news organizations that have clearly misrepresented information in the case that has contributed to inflaming the public, pro/con. You make just another example of the poor choice of words imo, CAREFULLY CHOSEN, the news organzations are using to keep many inflamed, it's unfortuate that many can't see it.


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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by DebFrmHell on Sat May 26, 2012 1:25 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:
DebFrmHell wrote:Oh the horrors! affraid affraid affraid
He walking in a public area of a police station.




Bottom meet barrel.

I disagree, the video brings some legitimate questions to the table; should a person who just shot and kill someone should be allow to roam around freely in a police station, what is the police protocol that need to be follow when a person involved in a crime is summoned for questioning by the police?

It also makes you wonder if he got preferential treatment , or if his "liaison" to some of the Sanford police officers gave him a sense of entitlement.

The fact remains that he is walking in a public area of the station. The is a small loveseat and some chairs for people that are there for whatever reason to sit.

That is not a private or secured area he is traipsing around. He is probably going upstairs to some offices where he might indeed need to be escorted. IMO, those areas would be password protected areas. It is blatantly obvious that this video does not represent one of those areas.

Other than the guy that is with him, there is another man there, too. He is wearing shorts and a tee. He is not cuffed. He is free to move about. There is an officer leaning against the wall. I didn't really look but to would not surprise me if there were vending machines in that part of the station. Or perhaps they have traffic court in that area.

Show me a video where he is walking to an Interrogation room unaccompanied... then you have something. As far as I am concerned, this video means nothing and it certainly does not raised questions about preferential treatment.

Zimmerman was not charged with a crime at that point. He was free to come and go where he pleased, well, up until the death threats. The bandages on his head suggest that he is there for follow up questioning due to the time frame. It might be from the time when he was taken to the Retreat for the reenactment or perhaps the Voice Stress Test Analysis.

((You do know that you can enter a police station, right? Many go there to pay for tickets in smaller towns. Webster TX has a very nice one. I have been all over it. Several times and I did it unaccompanied...well, once I got a vistor (LE) waiting with me because a warrant had been issued for an outstanding ticket. Needless to say, I wasn't going to leave on my own until I paid it. LOL!))
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by serenaz1 on Sat May 26, 2012 1:38 pm

marcena2 wrote:

I am sharing some of my crib notes, it is a work in progress.

W11 attended HOA board meetings and knew of GZ as the point of contact for Neighborhood Watch.

W6 is 'John'. 911 call number one. Reported seeing Trayvon on top George straddling with 'MMA' moves.

W3 I think is 911 call number two. This has the lengthy recording of the 40 seconds of screams. Makes sense as they were in close proximity.

W18 is a teacher in a southern facing building north of the T. I think she is 911 call number 7.

W12/13 are female and male. W12 changed her statement after seeing size of GZ and recalling the man she saw had same build. W13 is the neighbor that came out with a flashlight. Also 13 expanded on GZ demeanor post shooting as calm and matter of fact.

The W two doors down is W2, I think. She is the one that saw someone carrying a flashlight and running north towards T. From police interviews I know she lives on Retreat View Circle. She could be this unit or the one directly north.

W16 are 'Mary' and roommate. When roommate went outside to ask what is going on, GZ replied 'Just call the police.' They are 911 call number five.

The W below W16 is 911 call number four. She calls after hearing moaning and a shot. I don't have her W number yet.

The bottom W is the 13 year old out walking his dog. This is 911 call number six. I don't have their W number yet either.

I haven't been able to map 911 call number three, white female in her 30s sees someone in a white T shirt. The X is where Trayvon ended up give or take, and the Z is where GZ's truck was parked.

Interesting when you map out where all the various reports and perspectives are, no?

OK, time for me to try to go back to sleep. Sleep

That's a helpful map, thanks!

I wish we'd find out why the cop who ran the tags of vehicles in the area didn't find his truck that night or why George didn't ask 'what about my truck?' as he was being hauled away.


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Post by Snaz on Thu May 31, 2012 12:21 pm

Since there is a doc dump today, and a hearing tomorrow, and we realize many of you would like to discuss them, we are going to re-open this thread FOR NOW. We will see how it goes from here.

HOWEVER, if things get inappropriate or out of control again, we WILL close the thread for good. Everyone has been sufficiently warned. If you see someone post something that is inappropriate or baiting, PLEASE JUST DON'T RESPOND TO IT! And please send a PM to one of the admin to make us aware of it.

No one has the time to babysit the thread all day long. We are all adults here... and should all be able to self-edit our words.

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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by WeeBonnie on Thu May 31, 2012 2:53 pm

I can't wait to see this group pounce on the dump like a pack or piranha!
Thanks for giving this case another thread.
It has been fascinating to see what pearls everyone picks out for closer examination. Thanks to everyone who combs through the documents so carefully, you guys are better than most investigative reporters!

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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by Chickenbutt on Thu May 31, 2012 2:53 pm

Wee, what time do you expect docs?
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by CherokeeNative on Thu May 31, 2012 4:59 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Wee, what time do you expect docs?

I am going to step out on a limb here with my "short term memory loss" - but IIRC, we received the last document dump right at the end of the day (Florida time). If anyone remembers differently, please feel free to correct me.

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Post by jacct on Thu May 31, 2012 5:25 pm

"The judge could decide today whether prosecutors were in the wrong and what additional evidence, if any, they must release to the public." Based on this article we may not see any documents until tomorrow.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-hearing-evidence-20120531_1_rachel-fugate-seal-media-companies
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Post by CherokeeNative on Thu May 31, 2012 5:54 pm

jacct wrote:"The judge could decide today whether prosecutors were in the wrong and what additional evidence, if any, they must release to the public." Based on this article we may not see any documents until tomorrow.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-hearing-evidence-20120531_1_rachel-fugate-seal-media-companies

Hi Jacct. I was of the understanding that the documents that are to be released today have already been approved for release by the prosecutor and the defense, with certain redactions, and that the documents that are the subject of the motions to be heard tomorrow concern the redacted portions of the records already and to be released, the cell phone records, and defendant's statements. I could be wrong of course and the article doesn't specifically mention the documents that are/were to be released today.
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Post by FystyAngel on Thu May 31, 2012 6:44 pm

George Zimmerman's legal team adds former federal public defender

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531_1_federal-public-defender-defense-lawyer-legal-team

6:27 p.m. EST, May 31, 2012

George Zimmerman, the defendant in one of the most watched murder cases in the country, on Thursday added a new lawyer to his defense team, one who specializes in murders: veteran Orlando attorney Donald R. West.

Attorney Mark O'Mara, lead defense counsel in the case, plans to make a formal announcement Friday.

Also working on the case is Lorna Truett, who shares O'Mara's office and confirmed Thursday evening that West is now on the defense team.

West has handled some of the most high-profile criminal cases in the Orlando area in the past 20 years.

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Post by FystyAngel on Thu May 31, 2012 6:50 pm

Lawyers to square off in George Zimmerman evidence fight

By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

2:49 p.m. EST, May 31, 2012


Normally adversaries, the state and defense in the George Zimmerman case agree on at least one point: Media coverage is a huge problem and key evidence should be kept from the public.

However, lawyers representing more than a dozen newspapers and television stations across the state and elsewhere argue the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin is a matter of great interest and concern, and the public has a right to information.

The two sides will square off in court in Sanford Friday afternoon. At issue is evidence that includes the statements Zimmerman gave investigators, phone records and crime-scene photos.

In a motion seeking to have the documents sealed, Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda argued that their release "will result in … an inability to seat a fair and impartial jury in Seminole County."

The media companies — including the Orlando Sentinel, The Miami Herald, The New York Times and CBS News — argue there's no evidence of that.

"Neither the state nor the defendant have met the stringent burden that accompanies requests to close public records," according to one of a pair of motions filed this week by two media coalitions.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-hearing-evidence-20120531_1_rachel-fugate-seal-media-companies

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Post by CherokeeNative on Thu May 31, 2012 7:18 pm

FystyAngel wrote:George Zimmerman's legal team adds former federal public defender

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531_1_federal-public-defender-defense-lawyer-legal-team

6:27 p.m. EST, May 31, 2012

George Zimmerman, the defendant in one of the most watched murder cases in the country, on Thursday added a new lawyer to his defense team, one who specializes in murders: veteran Orlando attorney Donald R. West.

Attorney Mark O'Mara, lead defense counsel in the case, plans to make a formal announcement Friday.

Also working on the case is Lorna Truett, who shares O'Mara's office and confirmed Thursday evening that West is now on the defense team.

West has handled some of the most high-profile criminal cases in the Orlando area in the past 20 years.

Thanks FystyAngel. I wonder if O'Mara is worried that the DOJ is going to initiate its own federal action for civil rights violations against Zimmerman. I expected that they would have a "wait and see" attitude to see how the State's case ended up. Maybe O'Mara has insider information.
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Post by DebFrmHell on Thu May 31, 2012 7:42 pm

From Jeralyn at TL:

Update: Just heard from the state's attorney's office, nothing was released today. But, Mark O'Mara said a former federal public defender has been added to his defense team.

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Post by CherokeeNative on Thu May 31, 2012 7:52 pm

DebFrmHell wrote:From Jeralyn at TL:

Update: Just heard from the state's attorney's office, nothing was released today. But, Mark O'Mara said a former federal public defender has been added to his defense team.

Rats Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu May 31, 2012 8:52 pm

Sentinel files motion against sealing evidence in George Zimmerman murder case

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

5:23 p.m. EDT, May 29, 2012

Attorneys for the Orlando Sentinel and other media filed motions Tuesday seeking to prevent a judge from sealing evidence in the case against George Zimmerman.

The state and defense support sealing some evidence in the case, including Zimmerman's statements to law enforcement and the names of civilian witnesses.

However, the Sentinel, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel and WFTV-Channel 9 argue the state and defense have failed to meet the "stringent" legal burden to seal records.

"Both the State and the Defendant seek severe restrictions on the right of public access," the companies' motion says.

Another media coalition — including the New York Times and Gannett Co., publisher for USA Today and other newspapers — also filed a similar motion.

The motions come as Judge Kenneth Lester is set to hear argument this week for and against sealing the documents. Prosecutors argue Zimmerman's statements fall under an exemption in the public-records law for confessions.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-evidence-motion-20120529,0,1426963.story
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Post by KZ on Thu May 31, 2012 9:03 pm

Donald R. West (picture at link)

http://realpages.com/sites/donaldrwest/index.html

Trial Experience
As lead counsel in more than a hundred jury trials, Mr. West has actively engaged in the practice of criminal defense for nearly twenty years. He has tried several high profile murder cases in Orange, Seminole, and Volusia counties and is a frequent speaker at criminal defense seminars. He has represented police officers, doctors, CEOs, lawyers and hundreds of just plain folks accused of criminal conduct. He was selected with only six other Florida lawyers to handle a series of federal death penalty cases in Puerto Rico.
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Post by Marica on Thu May 31, 2012 9:24 pm

It would seem that this case has already gotten so much media attention it would be difficult to seat an impartial jury even at this point. Once a case has gone international in the media is like trying to close the barn door after the horse has trotted off on its' merry way. I realize there will be a lot more media hashing of info, but even so who in Florida hasn't heard about this case. The Anthony case was one thing, this is a whole other kind of case, in that the Stand Your Ground law will get the attention of a lot of individuals, and the outcome has the potential to affect many people.
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Post by KZ on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:14 am

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Post by KZ on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:16 am

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/30/opinion/nejame-zimmerman-racial-profiling/index.html

Trayvon Martin shooting wasn't a case of racial profiling
By Mark NeJame, CNN Contributor
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Post by KZ on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:19 am

http://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/5679913-Phoenix-shooting-has-echoes-of-Trayvon-Martin-case/

Phoenix shooting has echoes of Trayvon Martin case
'Stand your ground' law looms large in shooting death in parking lot
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by KimmyK on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:29 am

Been following for a while now, and wondering when Judge Lester plans to address the issue of the bond hearing, the paypal account, the statements made by Zman and his family, and who knew what when. Or has that issue just been somewhat 'forgotten?' Has anyone heard anything regarding this?
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Post by Marica on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:43 am

KZ wrote:http://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/5679913-Phoenix-shooting-has-echoes-of-Trayvon-Martin-case/

Phoenix shooting has echoes of Trayvon Martin case
'Stand your ground' law looms large in shooting death in parking lot

This just sucks.. No weapon found and yet the guy says the man swung something at him.
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Post by CherokeeNative on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:23 am

KimmyK wrote:Been following for a while now, and wondering when Judge Lester plans to address the issue of the bond hearing, the paypal account, the statements made by Zman and his family, and who knew what when. Or has that issue just been somewhat 'forgotten?' Has anyone heard anything regarding this?

KimmyK, there is a hearing August 8th and it is at that hearing that Judge Lester will most likely be addressing those issues.

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/order%20continuing%20DS.pdf
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Post by WeeBonnie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:36 am

Hi CherokeeNative- Do you know if or how the civil rights violations related to the hate crime issue? I'm very confused by the little I can find on it.

I saw a synopsis of cases where they applied the hate crime law, and I have to say in all of them the racial hate aspect was a total slam dunk. It only seemed to be applied to very vocal and avowed racists. From reading that I guessed they wouldn't try that in this case. So I wasn't too surprised when Corey glossed over that aspect and the audio recording. I thought the profiling was only brought up to show intent and go for murder two. But I have yet to find a good article clarifying all that. duckies

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FystyAngel wrote:George Zimmerman's legal team adds former federal public defender

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531_1_federal-public-defender-defense-lawyer-legal-team

6:27 p.m. EST, May 31, 2012

George Zimmerman, the defendant in one of the most watched murder cases in the country, on Thursday added a new lawyer to his defense team, one who specializes in murders: veteran Orlando attorney Donald R. West.

Attorney Mark O'Mara, lead defense counsel in the case, plans to make a formal announcement Friday.

Also working on the case is Lorna Truett, who shares O'Mara's office and confirmed Thursday evening that West is now on the defense team.

West has handled some of the most high-profile criminal cases in the Orlando area in the past 20 years.

Thanks FystyAngel. I wonder if O'Mara is worried that the DOJ is going to initiate its own federal action for civil rights violations against Zimmerman. I expected that they would have a "wait and see" attitude to see how the State's case ended up. Maybe O'Mara has insider information.

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Post by CherokeeNative on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:00 am

WeeBonnie wrote:Hi CherokeeNative- Do you know if or how the civil rights violations related to the hate crime issue? I'm very confused by the little I can find on it.

I saw a synopsis of cases where they applied the hate crime law, and I have to say in all of them the racial hate aspect was a total slam dunk. It only seemed to be applied to very vocal and avowed racists. From reading that I guessed they wouldn't try that in this case. So I wasn't too surprised when Corey glossed over that aspect and the audio recording. I thought the profiling was only brought up to show intent and go for murder two. But I have yet to find a good article clarifying all that. duckies






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FystyAngel wrote:George Zimmerman's legal team adds former federal public defender

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531_1_federal-public-defender-defense-lawyer-legal-team

6:27 p.m. EST, May 31, 2012

George Zimmerman, the defendant in one of the most watched murder cases in the country, on Thursday added a new lawyer to his defense team, one who specializes in murders: veteran Orlando attorney Donald R. West.

Attorney Mark O'Mara, lead defense counsel in the case, plans to make a formal announcement Friday.

Also working on the case is Lorna Truett, who shares O'Mara's office and confirmed Thursday evening that West is now on the defense team.

West has handled some of the most high-profile criminal cases in the Orlando area in the past 20 years.

Thanks FystyAngel. I wonder if O'Mara is worried that the DOJ is going to initiate its own federal action for civil rights violations against Zimmerman. I expected that they would have a "wait and see" attitude to see how the State's case ended up. Maybe O'Mara has insider information.

WeeBonnie - I PM'd you what I think will answer your questions - it was too long for this thread. Very Happy Also, since the State is not charging GZ with a civil rights violation, it really isn't applicable at this point.
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by WeeBonnie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:43 am

Wow, thank you! It's complicated stuff!

CherokeeNative wrote:
WeeBonnie wrote:Hi CherokeeNative- Do you know if or how the civil rights violations related to the hate crime issue? I'm very confused by the little I can find on it.

I saw a synopsis of cases where they applied the hate crime law, and I have to say in all of them the racial hate aspect was a total slam dunk. It only seemed to be applied to very vocal and avowed racists. From reading that I guessed they wouldn't try that in this case. So I wasn't too surprised when Corey glossed over that aspect and the audio recording. I thought the profiling was only brought up to show intent and go for murder two. But I have yet to find a good article clarifying all that. duckies

CherokeeNative wrote:
FystyAngel wrote:George Zimmerman's legal team adds former federal public defender

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-31/news/os-george-zimmerman-new-lawyer-west-20120531_1_federal-public-defender-defense-lawyer-legal-team

6:27 p.m. EST, May 31, 2012

George Zimmerman, the defendant in one of the most watched murder cases in the country, on Thursday added a new lawyer to his defense team, one who specializes in murders: veteran Orlando attorney Donald R. West.

Attorney Mark O'Mara, lead defense counsel in the case, plans to make a formal announcement Friday.

Also working on the case is Lorna Truett, who shares O'Mara's office and confirmed Thursday evening that West is now on the defense team.

West has handled some of the most high-profile criminal cases in the Orlando area in the past 20 years.

Thanks FystyAngel. I wonder if O'Mara is worried that the DOJ is going to initiate its own federal action for civil rights violations against Zimmerman. I expected that they would have a "wait and see" attitude to see how the State's case ended up. Maybe O'Mara has insider information.

WeeBonnie - I PM'd you what I think will answer your questions - it was too long for this thread. Very Happy Also, since the State is not charging GZ with a civil rights violation, it really isn't applicable at this point.

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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by marcena2 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:16 pm

Interesting...In Session says that SA will be asking for GZ's bond to be revoked. Issues are the undisclosed monies raised on website that court has yet to rule on AND it seems that GZ is 'hiding the ball'. Although he turned in his passport, he requested a duplicate passport claiming he lost his. SA may claim that there is a pattern of deception now. Interesting...
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Post by Julie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:17 pm

From the RC Twitter updates on the Home Page.


InSession Breaking News: The prosecution in the FL v. Zimmerman case has filed a motion to revoke #Zimmerman's bond. #TrayvonMartin.
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VinniePolitan State wants George Zimmerman's bond revoked!
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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:24 pm

marcena2 wrote:Interesting...In Session says that SA will be asking for GZ's bond to be revoked. Issues are the undisclosed monies raised on website that court has yet to rule on AND it seems that GZ is 'hiding the ball'. Although he turned in his passport, he requested a duplicate passport claiming he lost his. SA may claim that there is a pattern of deception now. Interesting...

Mike Brooks just explained on IS that GZ turned in the "valid passport," the other "passport is not a valid passport & can't be used." You can ONLY have one valid passport, GZ does not have a valid passport, he turned his in.

IS didn't say GZ was "hiding the ball," that was Sonny Hoston's opinion, not the opinion of IS.


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Post by ellejay on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:26 pm

--link to InSession for those who don't get it on TV..

--nejame on at present talking about george's bond.....after the break they will be taking us to the courtroom for the hearing.

http://superusvox.com/index.php/specialty/tru-tv
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Post by Julie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:29 pm


bobkealing Breaking: Prosecutors allege #Zimmerman misled court about possession of US passport. #TrayvonMartin.
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bobkealing #Breaking News Prosecutors file motion to revoke #Zimmerman bond... #TrayvonMartin
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Post by Julie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:37 pm


bobkealing Judge says they will handle #Zimmerman passport issue at end of hearing. Taking up protective order of witness names now. #TrayvonMartin.
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InSession #TrayvonMartin - The Zimmerman hearing has started; George Zimmerman is not present in court.
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bobkealing Prosecutors: #Zimmerman misled court about possession of extra passport calling on him to surrender it immediately. #Trayvon.
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Post by Julie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:39 pm


bobkealing Prosecutors say they have recording of #Zimmerman from jail telling wife to keep passport in safe deposit box. @WESH for breaking details.
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InSession #TrayvonMartin - The prosecution believes releasing some of the information could make it hard to find an impartial jury. #Zimmerman
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Post by marcena2 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:42 pm

I agree with points one and two. No need to disclose witness names and autopsy pics. GZ's statements to police should be open to the public. Voice stress tests, cell phone records, W9 statements re George's racial tendencies, ditto.
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Post by Julie on Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:54 pm


bobkealing Reaction: Attorney for Martin family Benjamin Crump: #Zimmerman passport another lie by omission. Bond should be revoked. #Trayvon
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bobkealing In motion to revoke #Zimmerman bond, state alleges he knew the day before his bond hearing he had access to 135k. Let family plead poverty.
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InSession The state wants the names, addresses & phone numbers of witnesses, as well as the cell phone records of #TrayvonMartin & #Zimmerman sealed.
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Post by marcena2 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:01 pm

Not confirmed, only rumor on the net, in addition to telling wife to hide the passport in a safe deposit box, GZ also was telling wife the amount of money collected to date in Paypal account during a jail visit? If they have that on tape, that is big.
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Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #2

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:22 pm

I can't believe shelly zimmerman was so stupid to lie to the Court but to LIE to the Court when there is a jail house call of it recorded, but obviously, she is that stupid.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:26 pm

marcena2 wrote:Not confirmed, only rumor on the net, in addition to telling wife to hide the passport in a safe deposit box, GZ also was telling wife the amount of money collected to date in Paypal account during a jail visit? If they have that on tape, that is big.

marcena2, it looks like the "rumor" may indeed be fact according to what the Prosecutor is sharing, GZ surely is going to deserve any punishment he receives.

imo, I got sick of Judge Perry's endless threat's to Baez in KC's case, if there is a violation of any kind, I hope this Judge addresses it immediately & punishes immediately, NOT just threaten to do so.

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Post by marcena2 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:28 pm

art tart wrote:
marcena2 wrote:Not confirmed, only rumor on the net, in addition to telling wife to hide the passport in a safe deposit box, GZ also was telling wife the amount of money collected to date in Paypal account during a jail visit? If they have that on tape, that is big.

marcena2, it looks like the "rumor" may indeed be fact according to what the Prosecutor is sharing, GZ surely is going to deserve any punishment he receives.

imo, I got sick of Judge Perry's endless threat's to Baez in KC's case, if there is a violation of any kind, I hope this Judge addresses it immediately & punishes immediately, NOT just threaten to do so.

Totally agree...
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Post by back2back19 on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:32 pm

I'm fully expecting the judge to just let this go with a threat. Although Richard Hornsby seems to think he'll get his bail revoked. But Florida's judicial process has made me jaded.

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Post by Chickenbutt on Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:40 pm

Bond revoked....turn self in in 48 hours
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