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Post by Ann - Tx on Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:44 pm


2 pages of articles archived as this case unfolded to current:
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http://topics.mlive.com/tag/Carnel%20Chamberlain/index.html#incart_hbx
MLive.com - MI - Current as of 7/2/12

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Post by Honeysage on Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:50 pm

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/family_of_carnel_chamberlain_m.html#incart_river_default
Family of Carnel Chamberlain must wait at least a month to hold funeral for 4-year-old

"After a lengthy discussion with our liaison with the FBI... we are probably looking at one to three months before we can even think about a funeral!"
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Post by Marica on Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:39 pm

What in the world would take so long for the body to be released for the family to claim remains for burial?
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Post by Honeysage on Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:54 pm

i'm guessing since he hasn't been charged with murder (yet), they need to hold onto the body so when he is charged his defense team can do their own testing.
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:11 am


Honeysage, I've never heard of a body being held so a defense team can do their own "testing."

Charnel's body was found buried under the porch on Thursday, 6/28/12. It is being reported the body was burned.

If the area where Charnel's body was found does not have a Medical Examiner, it would have to be sent to whomever they have an agreement with re autopsies.

For example, in my county, there is an agreement with two Medical Examiner Offices in two cities several hours away. The body would be sent to one of the two.

Upon receipt, it is assigned a case number. The cases are processed in the order in which they arrive. Both of these offices have backlogs. Week-end (including Fridays) slows the process down even more as there is not a full staff working on the week-ends.

In my county, there is a case where a female was found badly burned in her home. It took over a week before the body was released to the family. The Medical Examiner ruled homicide and stated the cause and manner of death which was not caused by the fire.

The Medical Examiner will need to determine the cause of death and the manner of death. Many times their determination will require additional information from the Law Enforcement investigators.

Each death and circumstances surrounding that death is different. Being that Carnel's burned body was found some time on Thursday, 6/28/12, I don't think there is any thing unusual about the body not being released to the family yet.

Just my opinion.


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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:24 am


In the Zachary Pittman case (Pearl River, Louisiana), the remains were found and per Zach's mother, it was two months before his remains were released to her for burial.

The case is still unsolved.

In Karen Swift's case, the body was released to the family over two months after being found in Dyersburg, TN. No one has been charged in her murder yet.

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Post by Honeysage on Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:37 am

Thanks Ann-Tx, i did some googling and couldn't find any good reasons so i made up my own...LOL!
just seems like more unjust torture for the families.

the cousin said this in the article i posted above:

"I cannot divulge too much info...you have to trust me but how it was explained makes perfect sense why it has to be that long."

it seemed to me as if there was more to it than just backlog...who knows. these cases never move fast enough for me...cannot imagine the toll on the families.
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:09 am


http://www.heritage.com/articles/2012/07/01/heritagewest/news/doc4fed943ced8ff635595367.txt
Heritage.com - MI -- 7/1/12

MOUNT PLEASANT: Crime lab searching property where body of missing 4-year-old boy was found
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:43 am

Anthony Bennett to be in federal court for bond hearing Tuesday

Posted: Jul 02, 2012 5:05 PM CDT
Updated: Jul 02, 2012 5:21 PM CDT


MT. PLEASANT (WJRT) - (07/02/12) - The FBI continues to investigate the death of a 4- year-old boy, whose body was found underneath his family's porch in Isabella County.

Tuesday, a person of interest in the case will be in a federal courtroom for a bond hearing.

Anthony Chambers has worked several high-profile criminal cases, and his latest one will be the defense of 20-year-old Anthony Bennett.

Bennett remains in federal custody, charged with assaulting 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain.

http://www.abc12.com/story/18936280/anthony-bennett-to-be-in-federal-court-for-bond-hearing-tuesday
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:18 pm

Bennett is to appear before U.S. District Magistrate Charles E. Binder at 3 p.m. today for a detention hearing. As Bennett was detained without bond Friday, today's hearing is to determine whether or not he can be released. The magistrate typically evaluates this based on a defendant's flight risk and the potential danger he or she poses to the community.

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/07/anthony_bennett_man_charged_wi.html
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Post by Honeysage on Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:20 pm

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carnels-Hope-For-Tomorrow/459362990740569
Carnel's Hope For Tomorrow

MEMORIAL SERVICE PLANNED - SUNDAY, JULY 15TH AT THE SOARING EAGLE CASINO CONCERT HALL @ 2PM (Only thing locally big enough). Stay tuned for more information. Event will be in deep planning mode over the next several days. Please, no questions about it... we'll provide updates right here.
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Post by Calypso on Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:08 pm

http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20120703/NEWS01/120709915/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case

BAIL DENIED!!

Anthony Bennett denied bail in Carnel case

BAY CITY – A federal magistrate judge denied bond to Anthony Bennett Tuesday, saying the man accused of assaulting 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain was too dangerous to be set free.

MORE AT ARTICLE>>>>>
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:05 pm

Anthony Bennett will remain in custody throughout abuse trial

Published: Tuesday, July 03, 2012, 5:30 PM Updated: Tuesday, July 03, 2012, 5:45 PM

By Brad Devereaux | bdeverea@mlive.com The Saginaw News


Anthony Bennett is escorted out of the U.S. District Court in Bay City after a detention hearing Tuesday, July 3, 2012

BAY CITY, MI — Anthony Bennett, charged June 28 with abusing 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain, will remain in custody throughout his trial following a decision at a detention hearing in U.S. District Court today.

U.S. Magistrate Charles E. Binder said he considered Bennett's past criminal history, the seriousness of the charges against him and other factors when deciding to deny his attorney's request to allow Bennett to stay at his sister's home while the trial proceeded.

Read more:

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/anthony_bennett_will_remain_in.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:06 pm

Thank you Calypso for sharing the breaking news!
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:50 pm


http://www.themorningsun.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120703/NEWS01/120709915/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case&pager=1
The Morning Sun - Mount Pleasant, MI -- 7/3/12

Anthony Bennett denied bail in Carnel case

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A preliminary examination on the assault charges has been set for 10 a.m. Friday, July 13, before Binder in Bay City. Federal authorities have jurisdiction over felony crimes involving Native Americans committed in Indian Country; Bennett is a Native American, as was Carnel Chamberlain, the victim.
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I will PM J4A the following so he can put it on the RC Calendar:

Next court date for Anthony Bennett:

7/13/12 at 10 a.m. in Bay City, MI

Magistrate Judge Charles Binder presiding.
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Post by Honeysage on Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:39 pm

http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20120703/NEWS01/120709915/anthony-bennett-denied-bail-in-carnel-case&pager=full_story
Anthony Bennett denied bail in Carnel case

everything in this article is so disturbing...this guy was walking time bomb.
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:29 pm


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/03/body-dead-michigan-boy-4-had-been-burned-buried-feds-say/
FOX News - 7/3/12

Body of dead Michigan boy, 4, had been burned, buried, feds say

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BAY CITY, Mich. – The body of a 4-year-old mid-Michigan boy was so badly burned that authorities had trouble identifying it as human remains, a prosecutor said Tuesday as a judge refused to grant bond to a man accused of abusing the child weeks earlier.


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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:40 pm


http://www.abc12.com/story/18945550/anthony-bennett-to-remain-in-custody
WJRT - Flint, MI 7/3/12

Anthony Bennett to remain in custody
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Article and Video (2:25) - Reporter is "Live" in Bay City, MI

Jaimee Chamberlain was not at the Hearing but her mother and other family members attended.
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Post by Calypso on Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:53 am

(Your Welcome, AD!)

For all of you guys that go to Facebook and read up on this case, check out this page: https://www.facebook.com/carnelsjustice

There are numerous peititions going around at change.org.

One is for Jaimee Chamberlain to be arrested for not reporting child abuse as per MI state law.

Another one is for Anthony Bennett to recieve the death penalty.

Look them over and decide accordingly.

Also, yes, I've said all along to slow down and wait for more information to come out before we jump to conclusions about the mother, Jaimee, based on domestic abuse and weither or not she was also of victim of domestic violence. We wouldn't want to revictimize a victim.

However, the more I read from people who have known Carnel, Jaimee and the Chamberlain family, the less I believe she was a victim.




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Post by Marica on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:32 am

Calypso.. on the page, there is a photo of the Mom and a quote.... Was that quote from the Mom for real?

Makes my head & heart hurt to read it.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:51 am

Calypso wrote:(Your Welcome, AD!)

For all of you guys that go to Facebook and read up on this case, check out this page: https://www.facebook.com/carnelsjustice

There are numerous peititions going around at change.org.

One is for Jaimee Chamberlain to be arrested for not reporting child abuse as per MI state law.

Another one is for Anthony Bennett to recieve the death penalty.

Look them over and decide accordingly.

Also, yes, I've said all along to slow down and wait for more information to come out before we jump to conclusions about the mother, Jaimee, based on domestic abuse and weither or not she was also of victim of domestic violence. We wouldn't want to revictimize a victim.

However, the more I read from people who have known Carnel, Jaimee and the Chamberlain family, the less I believe she was a victim.





Calypso, according to this news report, there was domestic abuse, watch the video.

http://www.abc12.com/story/18945550/anthony-bennett-to-remain-in-custody

(The link was posted by Ann - Tx)
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Post by Honeysage on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:39 pm

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/anthony_bennett_will_remain_in.html
Anthony Bennett will remain in custody throughout abuse trial

Prosecutors also today in court confirmed that a substantial portion of Carnel Chamberlain's body was recovered badly burned underneath the family porch.

BBM: does that mean he was dismembered?
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Post by Honeysage on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:48 pm

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/prosecutor_anthony_bennett_cha.html
Prosecutor: Man charged with abuse of 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain in trouble with the law seven times in past three years

Bennett has committed two probation violations in 2012 and was on probation when 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain went missing
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don't you go to jail if you violate probation? i don't understand, seems everyone failed Carnel!!!
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Re: Carnel Chamberlain -- Found Deceased 6/28/12

Post by glazier on Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:58 pm

This case just keeps getting harder for me to handle, the
more info that comes to light makes me sicker and sicker.

Seems the 'family' is soliciting donations and selling T-shirts
and other stuff with Carnel's image on them. All in the name of 'raising awareness of abuse'.Sickening.
So the same people who allowed this to happen are now
getting $Money to raise awareness?
They wasted no time in setting up a non-profit-profit center
now didn;t they? Geeze, I don't even think the Ants moved THAT quickly! The worse part is they WILL make money.

I got this info by following the Facebook link to seamusoriley.blogspot statement analysis page. I still
haven't figured out how to do links yet, so I apologize in advance for that. I'm sure we will we learn more about this
'foundation' like B.S. in the days to come as it looks like they have set up a Website to bring in the BloodMoney.
I honestly wish I hadn't read this info Today, I think I'll go take a shower.This whole 'Child Murder for Profit' going on
is deeply disturbing. Sorry to be such a bummer on a Holiday...maybe I shouldn't have posted.

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Post by Honeysage on Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:22 pm

from what i understand the money from t-shirts, etc. are NOT going to family but to a memorial fund which has yet to be created. i do get annoyed that every time a child dies it seems a new law or non-profit needs to be set up. i guess people feel the need to do something to honor the child's memory.
the reservation has plenty of services available already-the problem is getting people to use them and admit they have an issue of abuse going on.
i read a comment somewhere and it was a great suggestion that is more specific to this situation being it is on a reservation in regards to taking away/reducing the pre cap disbursements for natives that have misdemeanors and felonies against them.
let's face it, money talks!!! if people knew their stipends were going to be decreased or taken away then maybe people will seek out the services available to them whether it be abuse, drugs, alcohol...

i mean they just passed "Dominick's Law" in Michigan in regards to reporting of child abuse and yet Carnel's mom has yet to be charged...so really what good do laws and non-profits really do? children are dying of abuse at what seems like a much greater rate these days.


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Post by Marica on Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:40 pm

glazier.. I was just on my way to ask if any had read the analysis post. I couldn't read all of it. Makes my heart hurt too much.
Here is the link...

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-07-01T20%3A34%3A00-04%3A00&max-results=7&start=4&by-date=false
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Post by glazier on Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:31 am

Thanks Marica- It's amazing what a little down-time spent with Family and friends can ddo for an attitude adjustment!
I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A WONDERFUL 4TH! Very Happy

I know alot of people have their doubts about 'Statement Analysis' but personally I find it helpful. It's kinda like a way to 'fine tune' one's own internal 'Hinky Meter'. Jaimee's statements so far are troubling to say the least. Her own words might seal her fate. I guess now we wait and see.



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Post by Ann - Tx on Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:49 am


glazier, I know there are many former Hinky Meter members as well as "original" (prior to Hinky Meter shutdown) RC members who do not believe in Statement Analysis.

For those who believe in Statement Analysis, I would encourage them to visit and comment at Statement Analysis and be part of a discussion at the Statement Analysis website. Also, Peter Hyatt would have the opportunity to respond to commentary.

Here is a direct link for those interested in Statement Analysis:

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/
Statement Analysis by Peter Hyatt
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Post by Marica on Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:50 am

I'm very curious. Another site seeking justice for
little Carnel has just posted something about his
Mother, I believe seeking assistance from something
called Dominick's Law. My research abilities suck but
I did discover this law has JUST gone into effect in
the past week and was made following the beating
death of a four year old boy Dominick Calhoun two
years ago.
This law gives bigger and sharper teeth to sink into
those found guilty of child abuse, failure to report
abuse and abuse committed in the presence of another
child/ other children.
I am not quite getting what this means about the Mother
applying for Dominick's Law, unless it means she is trying
her dead level best to escape being charged by bringing
attention after the fact to the abuse of Carnel.
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Post by Ann - Tx on Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:20 am


http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/carnel_chamberlain_memorial_se.html
MLive.com - MI 7/3/12

Carnel Chamberlain memorial service to be held at Soaring Eagle Casino Concert Hall

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MOUNT PLEASANT, MI — A memorial service for 4-year-old Carnel Chamberlain will be held Sunday, July 15, at 2 p.m. at the Soaring Eagle Casino Concert Hall, family spokesman Kevin Chamberlain said.
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Post by angiefly2 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:36 am

Marica wrote:Calypso.. on the page, there is a photo of the Mom and a quote.... Was that quote from the Mom for real?

Makes my head & heart hurt to read it.

Marica,
which site and quote are you referring to? I tried finding it but I have been unsuccessful. TIA
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Post by Marica on Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:52 am

angiefly2.. I will try to track it down.
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Post by Marica on Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:47 am

Angiefly2.. here is the photo and the quote I was asking about.



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=361949410541125&set=a.361629033906496.79521.361559890580077&type=1
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Post by Honeysage on Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:03 pm

http://www.abc12.com/story/18951681/bennetts-past-includes-several-arrests
Memorial set for Carnel, Bennett has a troubled past Posted: Jul 04, 2012 2:27 PM PDT
Updated: Jul 05, 2012 8:38 AM PDT

During Tuesday's detention hearing, we learned Bennett's parents put him into foster care when he was 11-years-old. His foster parent claims Bennett physically abused him. Bennett's father got parental rights back when Bennett turned 18 years old.


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Post by angiefly2 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:32 pm

Marica wrote:Angiefly2.. here is the photo and the quote I was asking about.


Marica thank you for the quick reply Very Happy

It makes me sick that she would say that. KIDS COME BEFORE ANY MAN/WOMAN ALWAYS!!!!
I have been in an abusive relationship and I left. Now I have children and I am a single mommy and I have no interest in a relationship until my children are grown. My youngest is a toddler so we have a ways to go before I venture down the relationship path, but that is fine by me. My kids come first. I would fight to my death before someone got to my children. I just don't understand how some lowlife like bennet could kill this beautiful child. I also don't understand how the mom didn't do more. JMHO
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Post by nanaof4 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:09 pm

The sad part is that she minimized the abuse on Nancy Grace and then told another story to LE about witnessing much worse abuse. For instance, Anthony picking Carnel up by the throat, dropping him, then dragging him.

Www.examiner.com/boyfriend-abused-carnel-chamberlain-weeks-before-he-died

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Post by Marica on Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:32 pm

Not trying to defend the mom here, but thinking
she is a young woman, in fact more of girl than
woman. Does anyone know what her maturity &
intellectual levels are? I know women/girls/mothers
this age who are worlds apart in maturity and intellect.
Most women/girls of this age and with lower than
average levels of maturity/intellect are simply so
stupid blind that they cannot recognize the danger
presented by a person who will hit a child. They will
attempt to excuse a bruise, or other small injury
claiming the person didn't mean to hit THAT hard.
I've seen mothers blame the child for the injury.
The kid moved... or whatever causing the person to
strike them in the face when the aim was to smack
them elsewhere. These women/girls cannot connect
the dots until it is too late.. and too late is when
CPS becomes involved or the child is dead.
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Re: Carnel Chamberlain -- Found Deceased 6/28/12

Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:13 pm

Marica wrote:Not trying to defend the mom here, but thinking
she is a young woman,
in fact more of girl than
woman. Does anyone know what her maturity &
intellectual levels are? I know women/girls/mothers
this age who are worlds apart in maturity and intellect.
Most women/girls of this age and with lower than
average levels of maturity/intellect are simply so
stupid blind that they cannot recognize the danger
presented by a person who will hit a child. They will
attempt to excuse a bruise, or other small injury
claiming the person didn't mean to hit THAT hard.
I've seen mothers blame the child for the injury.
The kid moved... or whatever causing the person to
strike them in the face when the aim was to smack
them elsewhere. These women/girls cannot connect
the dots until it is too late.. and too late is when
CPS becomes involved or the child is dead.

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with presuming the mother is innocent of abusing her child or specifically permitting it until legally she is proven of not being so.
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Post by Marica on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:21 pm

It is so hard to see when someone is dangerous.
In my own family there is a BF who I am leery of.
I haven't spoken out because it isn't any of my
business.. or at least it wasn't util AB murdered
little Carnel. NOW, I am looking at this guy with
a whole other attitude. My GD is stupid blind...
So it is up to me, and her Mother, and anyone else
who loves our little Sugar Baby, to make sure he
never has an opportunity to hurt her in anyway.
I will be leaving in the morning to spend four
days with her to be sure she is protected while
her grandma has to work.
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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:24 pm

Marica wrote:It is so hard to see when someone is dangerous.
In my own family there is a BF who I am leery of.
I haven't spoken out because it isn't any of my
business.. or at least it wasn't util AB murdered
little Carnel. NOW, I am looking at this guy with
a whole other attitude. My GD is stupid blind...
So it is up to me, and her Mother, and anyone else
who loves our little Sugar Baby, to make sure he
never has an opportunity to hurt her in anyway.
I will be leaving in the morning to spend four
days with her to be sure she is protected while
her grandma has to work.

Listening to instincts are important and girls like Carnel's mom are raised to not listen to their internal alarms.

After my kids go to bed I am going to post a link to a short film that a friend of a friend made about life on a res.

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Post by Honeysage on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:51 pm

http://www.wnem.com/video?clipId=7476581&autostart=true
Family: Mother of slain four-year-old boy has disappeared

video only at link-mom is not responding to LE phone calls-they think she is in hiding
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Post by Marica on Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:43 pm

Tamta, I wish I could view the film,
but my system will not allow me to view videos.

I'm not sure it is just on reservations that young
mothers are without an internal voice. Every day I
see young mothers who have their eye on the pie
of life being served up to those around them and
have no clue how to make their own desserts.
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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:46 pm

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"You know I'm not saying that the mother isn't responsible," said Jillaine Harkema, Executive Director at Safe Haven Ministries. "Perhaps [she could've stopped this] but we don't know the answer to do that. I mean we don't know what would have happened to her or her child or to others had she stepped out and said she needed help. That's what we don't know. And what we don't know is her fear inside of her head of what would have happened if she did seek help."

The answer as to why she didn't leave is very complex. According to Safe Haven Ministries , many people in Jamiee Chamberlain's same situation often face threats on people they love if they report something and will ultimately put others in jeopardy.

In many cases, domestic violence victims try to stick it out and figure out how to manage.

Harkema said violent relationships over a long period of time are full of negative messages, so the victims have no self-esteem, they don't trust their own judgment, and feel like they don't deserve the life they have because that's what they are told.



http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/could-mom-have-prevented-sons-death
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Post by Marica on Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:54 pm

Preventing the deaths of children is something
we cannot do alone when there are abusers involved.
We MUST have the help of family, friends, and out
judicial system. And of course we ourselves MUST be
able to recognize danger and reach out.
We have seen all to many parents (mostly Mom's)
and children murdered because the system has
failed so miserably at protecting them. I think of
the Powell children, of Zahra Baker, and many others
whom the courts failed. When will we realize that
proving someone is a danger to a child after the
child has been murdered is a FAIL!
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Post by Tamta on Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:02 pm

Marica wrote:Preventing the deaths of children is something
we cannot do alone when there are abusers involved.
We MUST have the help of family, friends, and out
judicial system. And of course we ourselves MUST be
able to recognize danger and reach out.
We have seen all to many parents (mostly Mom's)
and children murdered because the system has
failed so miserably at protecting them. I think of
the Powell children, of Zahra Baker, and many others
whom the courts failed. When will we realize that
proving someone is a danger to a child after the
child has been murdered is a FAIL!

Almost all of these women and their families do not have the benefit of our 20/20 hindsight.

But agencies do.

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Post by Honeysage on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:39 pm

http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20120706/NEWS/120709777/bennett-has-troubled-past&pager=full_story
Bennett has troubled past

-Bennett’s mother took parenting classes but did not gain skills, according to court records.
-Bennett was exhibiting “concerning sexualized/perpetrating behaviors” and had profound emotional disturbances, according to court records.
-Bennett’s father failed twice to show up for scheduled psychological evaluations and showed “little interest” in his children, according to court records.
-At the age of 14, Bennett had conductive disorder, mood disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder and was diagnosed as bipolar, according to court records.
-At the same time, he was deemed to be at a first or second grade level.
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Post by nanaof4 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:50 pm

Marica wrote:Not trying to defend the mom here, but thinking
she is a young woman, in fact more of girl than
woman. Does anyone know what her maturity &
intellectual levels are? I know women/girls/mothers
this age who are worlds apart in maturity and intellect.
Most women/girls of this age and with lower than
average levels of maturity/intellect are simply so
stupid blind that they cannot recognize the danger
presented by a person who will hit a child. They will
attempt to excuse a bruise, or other small injury
claiming the person didn't mean to hit THAT hard.
I've seen mothers blame the child for the injury.
The kid moved... or whatever causing the person to
strike them in the face when the aim was to smack
them elsewhere. These women/girls cannot connect
the dots until it is too late.. and too late is when
CPS becomes involved or the child is dead.

I read the mom had gotten custody of Carnel in the past year or so. I don't think she ever really bonded with the child and that lead to her not being able to understand or fully appreciate what he was going through with the boyfriend. She had issues and lost custody of Carnel when he was a month old. She refused to care for him and said she didn't love him. Many young girls have babies, but not all of them allow someone else to abuse their children. What bothers me is the way her knowledge of the abuse has evolved. I guess she didn't have to say anything about it, except I'm sure she thought if abuse was detected, she would be blamed unless she confessed to witnessing it from the boyfriend. Her tale of abuse went from bruises on his bottom when she got home, to bruises on his ribs, a busted lip, choking and dragging by the foot in front of her. Being young (21) just does not excuse knowingly allowing the unemployed, jailbird of a boyfriend with anger issues to beat her child. She had family close by to help her get the slob out of her house if that is what she wanted. I'm sure she just didn't think the abuse was a big deal, or that the loser of a boyfriend would actually kill her child. She made the statement that no one would give Anthony a chance regarding employment. That tells me she was capable of feeling sorry for the boyfriend (or making excuses for his not working and bad choices). Don't get me wrong. I feel sorry for her because she will be living with her own bad choices the rest of her life and, to me, that would be torture.

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"The records show in February 2008, about a month after he was born, Carnel was removed from his mother, Jaimee Chamberlin's care, because "she refused to provide care or custody for the baby."

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"...Jaimee is described as 'defiant and belligerent' and that she "repeatedly indicated that she does not want Carnel and does not love him."

Read more at:

http://www.abc12.com/story/18918243/court-records-show-carnel-chamberlains-life-was-troubled

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Post by nanaof4 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:53 pm

Honeysage wrote:http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20120706/NEWS/120709777/bennett-has-troubled-past&pager=full_story
Bennett has troubled past

-Bennett’s mother took parenting classes but did not gain skills, according to court records.
-Bennett was exhibiting “concerning sexualized/perpetrating behaviors” and had profound emotional disturbances, according to court records.
-Bennett’s father failed twice to show up for scheduled psychological evaluations and showed “little interest” in his children, according to court records.
-At the age of 14, Bennett had conductive disorder, mood disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder and was diagnosed as bipolar, according to court records.
-At the same time, he was deemed to be at a first or second grade level.
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Post by Honeysage on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:57 pm

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carnels-Hope-For-Tomorrow/459362990740569

Safe and Sound with Grandpa Tommy and Uncle Todd!
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Post by Tamta on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:30 pm

Jaimee Chamberlain is not hiding from police, mother says

-Tammy said she dropped Jaimee off at tribal police headquarters to speak with officers on Thursday. She and Jaimee continue to speak on an almost daily basis in Mount Pleasant, Tammy said.

-Jaimee is working "side by side" with the FBI during their investigation, Tammy Chamberlain said.

-"Jaimee is not on the run, she is fully complying with law enforcement," her mother and Carnel's grandmother, Joann Chamberlain said. "If my daughter was on the run I would bring her in myself."

-Family members said Jaimee is being sheltered because she fears violence in retaliation for her speaking to investigators about the case.


-But Jaimee had known violence before she got together with Bennett. Her ex-boyfriend, Carnel's father, went to prison for abusing Jaimee, and once "put her in the hospital" after a physical attack, family members said.

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2012/07/jaimee_chamberlain_is_not_runn.html
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