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Post by Freckles on Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:21 am

Of interest, perhaps:

It was reported by prison officials the party taken into custody had dyed/painted his body RED under the flack vest. Even his gloved hands had been painted red. The booking pic shows a suspect in an orange top with white TEE shirt under; the top of the neck is visible. It is NOT red. Rather odd.

We have all dyed Easter eggs, made jello, etc., and know how difficult it is to remove food dye from the skin. That would be the simplest dye to obtain. (Rinse him in vinegar and he will be good forever as a red-man.)
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Post by Freckles on Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:48 am

Why would anyone look for a package from Holmes?
That is odd.
Odder yet, a package was located!
How did the FBI know to look there of all places?


http://www.examiner.com/article/fbi-uncovers-james-holmes-notebook-filled-with-details-about-aurora-shooting?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next
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Post by Freckles on Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:54 am

BTW, did any of the victims report the perp SPEAKING or saying anything at all? Could they see his face to notice any facial gestures? Were his body movements smooth or jerky? etc.
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Post by WeeBonnie on Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:31 am

his eyebrows are uneven and asymmetrical. And you can see it in all the pics.His right one is lower and has a rounder arch.
That's why trying to match the two sides wouldnt match. I think an overlay would show better. I see same chin, ears, jawline.

Julie wrote:

Looks like the same guy to me. Nose, ear(s), lips, etc.

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Post by Tamta on Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:55 am

Freckles wrote:Why would anyone look for a package from Holmes?
That is odd.
Odder yet, a package was located!
How did the FBI know to look there of all places?


http://www.examiner.com/article/fbi-uncovers-james-holmes-notebook-filled-with-details-about-aurora-shooting?cid=PROD-redesign-right-next

But Arapahoe County Senior Deputy District Attorney Richard Orman's written response to the defense motion said inaccuracies in the Fox News reports about the notebook indicate that whoever provided the information didn't know the facts of the case.

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Post by Hinky's Mimi on Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:10 am

Julie wrote:

Looks like the same guy to me. Nose, ear(s), lips, etc.
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I also think it is the same guy. The general shape of the face, the distance between all features (with eyes being somewhat, artistically speaking, too far apart... both photos show same, slight non-focus of pupils)... shape of the eyebrows, jaw line, "adam's apple" the same in all photos. The ears are the same, bone structure. In one he is closed mouthed smiling and it stretches the lips outward and, in the other photo, the lips not relaxed, causing some inward stretching.... finally, a slight tipping backwards of the hear in the mug shot appears to straighten and thin the nose.
I think if we study photos of anyone we can find these "differences" relating to mood, angle, lighting, etc... it's why we, ourselves, if we had to pick out a few photos that many would see, for example to post on our Facebook page, we will go through a group of photos of ourselves and pick out the ones we like best. We know we don't look the same in all of our own photos and we will say such as,
"This one makes my nose look too big." or "I like my eyes in this picture." or "Look at the awful facial expression I'm making in this one."
(Those kinds of differences is all I see in these photos of Holmes... and check out how different the "two noses" in both red haired photos look from each other... yet we know both red haired photos belong to the same man. Also, one more thing... the second red haired photo above looks more like the school ID photo.. because the relaxed "semi smile" is stretching the mouth outwards. The first mug shot photo mouth looks nothing like the second mug shot photo mouth, yet again, we know it's the same person.)


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Post by Hinky's Mimi on Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:14 am

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I'm sorry... meant to post this one because more neck is showing. Here I can see the "adam's apple" is essentially the same imo... unfortunately, somebody posted print over the mug shot neck but you can still see how similar they appear.
Also, they've compared the right and left ears from two different photos... not fair, really. Nobody has carbon copy left and right ears ... but if you compare BOTH left ears from both photos... you've got a match imo.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:38 am

Colorado suspect was seeing psychiatrist, attorneys say

James Holmes mailed a notebook to a university psychiatrist he was seeing, a legal motion filed on his behalf says. It alleges that information about the mailing was improperly leaked to the media.

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske and Alexandra Zavis, Los Angeles Times

July 28, 2012

AURORA, Colo. — Before the movie theater massacre last week, the suspected gunman had been seeing a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado and mailed her a package containing a notebook, according to a motion filed by James E. Holmes' public defenders.

In the filing released Friday, Holmes' lawyers say that after law enforcement executed a search warrant at the University of Colorado-Denver this week and seized the package addressed to Dr. Lynne Fenton, someone leaked information about it to the media — including allegations that Holmes had alerted law enforcement to it. The release of such information would violate a gag order issued by the judge in the case.

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Court Documents: Alleged Colorado Shooter Was Seeing Psychiatrist

By Eyder PeraltaJuly 27, 2012

Court documents filed today by the defense team of the alleged Colorado shooter reveal for the first time that James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist.

The documents also confirm news stories that on Monday, Aurora Police seized a package sent by Holmes to Dr. Lynne Fenton, a psychiatrist and assistant professor at the University of Colorado, Denver. The defense says Holmes was a "patient of Dr. Fenton."

"The materials contained in that package include communications from Mr. Holmes to Dr. Fenton that Mr. Holmes asserts are privileged," the defense team writes.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:26 pm

Papers Say Shooting Suspect Was Seeing Psychiatrist .

Updated July 27, 2012, 7:26 p.m. ET

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The documents, filed in Arapahoe County district court, name Dr. Lynne Fenton as the psychiatrist who received a package from James E. Holmes......

Ms. Fenton is the director of the student mental-health service at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus and has done research on schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

The existence of a package, which a law-enforcement official has said contained a notebook with drawings of a massacre, became public Wednesday. But neither the recipient of the package nor her links to Mr. Holmes had been publicly disclosed.

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Post by Julie on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:45 pm


Hinky's Mimi, I agree with what you wrote above. In these 2 pics, I see his left ear as being the same. I wish the FB pic that said how many people have one ear that sticks out further than the other would have used this pic as a side by side comparison, because to me they're the same. Also in the mugshot if his head was tilted more downward, the nose would be a match too.


These 2 I would say the ears are the same. The reason I think they don't look identical I think is because the one on the right looks cropped to remove the background, and anytime you try to crop the background out, it sometimes alters part of the forefront picture too. Also in the mugshot his head is turned slightly to his right. He's not looking straight ahead as on the ID pic, so the mugshot shows his ear more on an angle.



These 2, the ears and the lips look the same, and on the orange hair pic, it shows just how much nose he has, so that it would be totally possible for all that excess nose to flair out as shown in the ID one on the left.

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Post by Tamta on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:49 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Papers Say Shooting Suspect Was Seeing Psychiatrist .

Updated July 27, 2012, 7:26 p.m. ET

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The documents, filed in Arapahoe County district court, name Dr. Lynne Fenton as the psychiatrist who received a package from James E. Holmes......

Ms. Fenton is the director of the student mental-health service at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus and has done research on schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

The existence of a package, which a law-enforcement official has said contained a notebook with drawings of a massacre, became public Wednesday. But neither the recipient of the package nor her links to Mr. Holmes had been publicly disclosed.

Read more:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577553322125569602.html?mod=rss_US_News

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As a licensed psychologist I find it particularly upsetting that Dr.Fenton's credentials and pictures are plastered all over the web, as if she were responsible for the shootings.

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Post by Julie on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:49 pm

Calypso wrote:


His right eyebrows look the same too.

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Post by Julie on Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:51 pm





His right eye drifts to the right on all 3. You would see it better if on the mugshot his left eye was looking in the same direction as the yearbook pic.

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Post by Julie on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:07 pm

Here's another good side by side.



http://www.businessinsider.com/james-holmes-biography-2012-7

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:30 pm

Tamta wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:Papers Say Shooting Suspect Was Seeing Psychiatrist .

Updated July 27, 2012, 7:26 p.m. ET

~Snipped~

The documents, filed in Arapahoe County district court, name Dr. Lynne Fenton as the psychiatrist who received a package from James E. Holmes......

Ms. Fenton is the director of the student mental-health service at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus and has done research on schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

The existence of a package, which a law-enforcement official has said contained a notebook with drawings of a massacre, became public Wednesday. But neither the recipient of the package nor her links to Mr. Holmes had been publicly disclosed.

Read more:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577553322125569602.html?mod=rss_US_News

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As a licensed psychologist I find it particularly upsetting that Dr.Fenton's credentials and pictures are plastered all over the web, as if she were responsible for the shootings.


I posted here the information about the psychiatrist who was allegedly seeing Holmes because it is public information, it is readily available on the Internet, and is related to the case.

We routinely post the names, pictures, and credentials of lawyers who are representing people who has been charged with heinous crimes, there is no reason for anyone to assume that the lawyer who is representing a defendant, in any of the cases that we are following, has something to do with the crime.
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Post by Requiem on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:45 pm

Tamta, I completely agree with you. As you well know, had she believed he posed a threat to himself or others, she would have sought hospitalization for him. It is obvious he was troubled, and might very well have presented with symptoms of some form of psychosis, but at this point, no one knows for certain what his diagnosis is, whether or not one has even been made, if he had been prescribed any form of medication, and if so whether or not he was compliant. Bottom line, her identity is irrelevant until and unless she is called or named as a witness in court released documents.

Tamta wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:Papers Say Shooting Suspect Was Seeing Psychiatrist .

Updated July 27, 2012, 7:26 p.m. ET

~Snipped~

The documents, filed in Arapahoe County district court, name Dr. Lynne Fenton as the psychiatrist who received a package from James E. Holmes......

Ms. Fenton is the director of the student mental-health service at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus and has done research on schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

The existence of a package, which a law-enforcement official has said contained a notebook with drawings of a massacre, became public Wednesday. But neither the recipient of the package nor her links to Mr. Holmes had been publicly disclosed.

Read more:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444840104577553322125569602.html?mod=rss_US_News

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Academic - Assistant Professor

Department, Section / Division
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http://www.cudoctors.com/find-a-doctor/profile/?providerID=2252

As a licensed psychologist I find it particularly upsetting that Dr.Fenton's credentials and pictures are plastered all over the web, as if she were responsible for the shootings.


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Post by Requiem on Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:50 pm

I thought records and documents related to this case had been sealed. So How is it that the document regarding the psychiatrist who was mailed the package has been released?

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:41 pm

Judge orders media open records request to be addressed Monday

Posted: 07/27/2012 06:41:12 PM MDT
Updated: 07/27/2012 07:04:01 PM MDT
Updated: July 28, 2012 1:4 AM GMT

By Erin Udell
The Denver Post

U.S. District Court Judge William Sylvester has set a hearing for Monday on a motion filed by several news organizations seeking to unseal court records in the case against James Holmes, the suspected shooter in last week's movie theater tragedy.

Sylvester, who sealed the documents on July 20 — the day of the shooting — ordered that the media's request to set an expedited briefing schedule and hearing be addressed at Monday's court hearing.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21176907/judge-orders-media-open-records-request-be-addressed?source=pkg


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:49 pm

Gunman was seeing psychiatrist

July 29, 2012

Aurora, Colorado

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The papers named Dr Lynn Fenton as defence lawyers sought to gain access to a package James Holmes had mailed to her before the July 20 shooting, which also wounded 58 people.

Reports surfaced last week that Holmes, 24, had sent a notebook to a university psychiatrist that included details and drawings of his plans to kill people.

Judge William Sylvester unsealed some court filings on Friday after defence lawyers argued that Holmes' constitutional rights had been violated by the ''breach of confidentiality and privilege'' and sought ''sanctions for this misconduct''.

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http://www.smh.com.au/world/gunman-was-seeing-psychiatrist-20120728-2336p.html
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Post by Freckles on Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:38 pm

Hold on, hold on, hold on!Let's not jump to conclusions.
IF Holmes was seeing a counselor.....what would be so unusual about that? Do we still have stigmas attached?

For many people involved in higher employment, counseling is a requirement of the job! The question should be WHY was he seeing a counselor? Was it job related?

The gov't hires many "civilians" to do work for it. Many scientists and universities have participated in special gov't research programs. Paid to carry out specific duties or research. And many of these persons are REQUIRED to "check in" periodically with counselors. (Reminds me of Scientology.)

The counselors, however, are called, "handlers". Ask anyo9ne in the FBI, CIA, DOD, etc..


Would you like some known names and links?
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Post by Freckles on Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:41 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Gunman was seeing psychiatrist

July 29, 2012

Aurora, Colorado

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The papers named Dr Lynn Fenton as defence lawyers sought to gain access to a package James Holmes had mailed to her before the July 20 shooting, which also wounded 58 people.

Reports surfaced last week that Holmes, 24, had sent a notebook to a university psychiatrist that included details and drawings of his plans to kill people.

Judge William Sylvester unsealed some court filings on Friday after defence lawyers argued that Holmes' constitutional rights had been violated by the ''breach of confidentiality and privilege'' and sought ''sanctions for this misconduct''.

Read more:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/gunman-was-seeing-psychiatrist-20120728-2336p.html
Did he send these or did someone else send it in his name?
Did he do it on his own volition or at the beck and call of someone else?
Was it part of a "plan" by someone else and he was the flunky chosen to carry it out?

Reports surfaced? So. Where is the chain of evidence? WHO is the one reporting this?
How credible are they?
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Post by Julie on Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:01 am

Wounded mom of youngest Aurora victim suffers miscarriage, family says

By Gil Aegerter, NBC News

A woman who was shot in the Aurora, Colo., theater shooting rampage has suffered a miscarriage, her family said.

Ashley Moser, the mother of the youngest victim killed in the shooting, was pregnant and was shot in the neck and stomach during the attack July 20. The family said the trauma that Moser sustained caused a miscarriage and that she underwent more surgery on Saturday morning.

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Post by Puzzler on Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:39 am

ABC reported that Holmes was spitting on guards.

ABC reported that Holmes' mother said you have the right person (inferring she was talking about her son).

ABC reported that James Holmes (Jim Holmes) may have connections to the Tea Party.

All three of these reports were "incorrect". In this case, as in other cases, ABC is reporting without vetting and the public thinks they are being given correct information.

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Post by WeeBonnie on Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:57 am

same guy. The big differences I see is mostly aging from boy to man. He looks much more like a child in the younger pic. A coupld years can do that. And the wide eyed confused look on his face. Reminds me a bit of how different I looked occasionally in college after pulling an all nighter studying or partying. Sometimes I'd look in the mirror and not recognize myself!
If he was seeing a psychiatrist but not taking his meds, this would be very common for schizophorenics. The paranoia they suffer from makes them frequently resist the meds- they often believe people are out to harm them and are not compliant. Add to this he is of an age where you are suddenly beyond the grasp of anyone's guardianship and they cannot legally do a thing to help you or force you to take meds, and you start to see why families are rendered almost powerless to help.

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I'm sorry... meant to post this one because more neck is showing. Here I can see the "adam's apple" is essentially the same imo... unfortunately, somebody posted print over the mug shot neck but you can still see how similar they appear.
Also, they've compared the right and left ears from two different photos... not fair, really. Nobody has carbon copy left and right ears ... but if you compare BOTH left ears from both photos... you've got a match imo.

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Post by Justice4all on Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:13 am

Julie wrote:Wounded mom of youngest Aurora victim suffers miscarriage, family says

By Gil Aegerter, NBC News

A woman who was shot in the Aurora, Colo., theater shooting rampage has suffered a miscarriage, her family said.

Ashley Moser, the mother of the youngest victim killed in the shooting, was pregnant and was shot in the neck and stomach during the attack July 20. The family said the trauma that Moser sustained caused a miscarriage and that she underwent more surgery on Saturday morning.

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Hopefully they add another homicide charge against Holmes.
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Post by WeeBonnie on Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:44 am

same guy. The big differences I see is mostly aging from boy to man. He looks much more like a child in the younger pic. A coupld years can do that. And the wide eyed confused look on his face. Reminds me a bit of how different I looked occasionally in college after pulling an all nighter studying or partying. Sometimes I'd look in the mirror and not recognize myself!
If he was seeing a psychiatrist but not taking his meds, this would be very common for schizophorenics. The paranoia they suffer from makes them frequently resist the meds- they often believe people are out to harm them and are not compliant. Add to this he is of an age where you are suddenly beyond the grasp of anyone's guardianship and they cannot legally do a thing to help you or force you to take meds, and you start to see why families are rendered almost powerless to help.

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Also, they've compared the right and left ears from two different photos... not fair, really. Nobody has carbon copy left and right ears ... but if you compare BOTH left ears from both photos... you've got a match imo.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:48 pm

Holmes' psychiatrist was disciplined by Colorado Medical Board

Dr. Lynne Fenton, the psychiatrist who was treating James Holmes, was reprimanded in 2005 for writing inappropriate prescriptions.

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, The Los Angeles Times / July 29, 2012

Aurora, Colo.

Dr. Lynne Fenton, the University of Colorado psychiatrist who was treating James E. Holmes, according to a court filing by his attorneys, was disciplined by the Colorado Medical Board in 2005

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According to 7News, which cited state records, Fenton was reprimanded for prescribing medication to herself, her husband and an employee. The medications, prescribed in the late 1990s, included prescriptions for Vicodin, Xanax, Lorazepam andAmbien, according to 7News.

Fenton was also reprimanded for failing to maintain a medical chart or to enter appropriate entries for the charts relating to herself, her husband or the employee, 7News reported.

As part of the reprimand, Fenton had to complete more than 50 hours of medical training and to promise not to prescribe medications to family members or employees, according to 7News.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Jul 29, 2012 2:59 pm

Doctor of Colorado suspect had been disciplined by medical board

By Molly Hennessy-Fiske
July 28, 2012, 12:43 p.m.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-holmes-doctor-20120728,0,5513197.story

State Records:

BEFORE THE STATE BOARD OF MEDICAL EXAMINERS

STATE OF COLORADO

STIPULATION AND FINAL AGENCY ORDER


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/download/2012/0728/31313898.pdf

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James Holmes, theater shooting suspect: Psychiatrist Dr. Lynne Fenton had treated him in the past

Posted: 07/28/2012

By: thedenverchannel.com

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/james-holmes-theater-shooting-suspect-psychiatrist-dr-lynne-fenton-had-treated-him-in-the-past


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:06 pm

Funeral For Colorado Shooting Victim

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Doctor-Patient Confidentiality Questions

Posted: 07/28/2012
By: thedenverchannel.com

7NEWS wanted to know when a doctor can break confidentiality with a patient.

Dr. Wojciech Zolcik has 15 years experience working with psychiatric patients and is medical director with Community Reach Center in Thornton.

(Continues on Page 2)

"You really have to have a specific threat made against someone. You need to have somebody say, I'm going to go and kill, 'Blah blah blah…'" said Zolcik.

"But that, 'Blah, blah, blah,' has to be a specific person's name?" asked Zelinger.

"Correct. Yeah, that's the only way we can actually report a threat to anybody," said Zolcik. "Definitely, when someone comes to you and has a specific plan as to what they would to, then yes, it would be something that you would report; I would report."

When it comes to the package delivered to Fenton, the contents could be considered confidential unless specific threats are identified.

"Any communication that goes between the doctor and the patient is confidential, as long as it does not affect the welfare of the patient himself or herself or anybody else," said Zolcik. "When there is a suspicion of a threat to someone else, confidentiality goes away."

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AURORA THEATER SHOOTING

Friends, family pay tribute to budding journalist Jessica Ghawi

Posted: 07/28/2012 02:52:13 PM MDT
July 29, 2012 2:2 PM GMT
Updated: 07/29/2012 08:02:29 AM MDT

By Adrian Dater
The Denver Post

Mourners attend a memorial service for Jessica Ghawi at Community Bible Church in Bulverde, Texas on Saturday, July 28, 2012. Ghawi, 24, was one of the 12 people killed in the movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colo. on July 20. (Kin Man Hui, San Antonio Express-News via AP)

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21181592/friends-family-pay-tribute-budding-journalist-jessica-ghawi

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Aurora shooting tragedy reaches to Ohio at Matt McQuinn's funeral

Posted: 07/28/2012 11:52:30 AM MDT
July 29, 2012 6:23 AM GMT
Updated: 07/29/2012 12:23:54 AM MDT

By Ray Mark Rinaldi
The Denver Post

Pallbearers carry Matt McQuinn, killed in the Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting, from the church after his funeral Saturday, July 28, 2012, in Springfield, Ohio. (Jay LaPrete, The Associated Press)

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:27 pm

Hans Zimmer - "Aurora" Dedication To The Victims!




The soundtrack composer of The Dark Knight Rises released a special track dedicated to the victims of the Aurora theater shooting. All the proceeds from the track will be donated to the Aurora Victim Relief organization through GivingFirst.org.

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Aurora, Colorado Shooting: Heartbreaking Loss James Holmes to face charges; survivors deal with life after the shooting.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:52 am

AURORA, CO. SHOOTING SUSPECT RETURNS TO COURT TOMORROW FOR FORMAL CHARGES

Colorado Shooting Survivor Speaks of Forgiveness

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Post by Calypso on Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:38 pm

This is so heartbreaking what all these families and survivors are going through.

The judge ruled no camera's in court?
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Post by Calypso on Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:40 pm

They are saying Holmes was charged with 142 charges.

142 counts

12 first degree murder charges,
12 extreme indifference to value of life,
116 attempted murder charges.

Adds up to 140 charges.

Holmes, last week:


Holmes, this week:
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Post by Freckles on Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:09 pm

So many more charges they could have added:
-- Discharge of a weapon in (city, urban area, crowded theater, etc.)

-- Reckless disregard of others

-- The John Trapp law (1960 Iowa ??) : Against the law to set an ambush/trap to intentionally injure/kill another; this would pertain to the rigging of the apartment

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Aurora Shooting Hearing: James Holmes Unemotional After Being Charged With 24 Counts Of Murder

07/30/12 01:49 PM ET

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When the judge asked if he approved of a delay in the bail hearing to November, he reacted as if his thoughts were disturbed. Holmes leaned to his lawyer, appeared to mouth "OK," then responded "yeah" to the judge.

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Post by justanopinion on Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:17 pm

Guess the hair was a little experiment to see if "Prison Orange" was his colour.

This is a terrible story. I hope that his lawyer doesn't get creative.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:21 pm

James Holmes faces 142 counts, including 24 of first-degree murder

Posted: 07/30/2012 09:46:03 AM MDT
July 30, 2012 10:9 PM GMTUpdated: 07/30/2012 04:09:19 PM MDT

By John Ingold
The Denver Post

In this courtroom sketch, suspect James Holmes, third from right, sits in district court Monday, July 30, 2012, in Centennial during his arraignment where he was formally charged with 24 counts of murder and 116 counts of attempted murder in the shooting rampage at an Aurora movie theater on July 20. From left are: Prosecutors Karen Pearson and Richard Orman; District Judge William Blair Sylvester; suspect James Holmes; and defense attorneys Daniel King and Tamara Brady. (Jeff Kandyba, The Associated Press/Pool)

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Two other matters expected to be addressed during Monday's hearing — a debate over whether a notebook Holmes allegedly mailed to his psychiatrist is privileged doctor-patient communication and a motion by the news media to unseal the case — were pushed back to later hearings.

Attorneys will discuss whether to unseal the case at a hearing on Aug. 9. Holmes' attorneys said they would be opposed to any unsealing.

The two sides will debate the notebook issues on Aug. 16.

What Monday's hearing made abundantly clear, though, is how drawn-out the case will likely be. Prosecutors said they will begin sharing investigative files with the defense team — a process known as discovery — this week. Deputy District Attorney Rich Orman said roughly 2,000 pages of police reports have thus far been turned over to prosecutors, with more to come.

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Post by Calypso on Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:51 pm

Why aren't they saying what the other 2 cts are?

They keep repeating 142 counts, but last time I looked 24 cts of murder, plus 116 cts attempted murder equals only 140 cts.
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Post by Calypso on Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:06 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57482458/family-member-says-colo-shooting-victim-will-be-paralyzed-suffered-miscarriage/?tag=pop;stories

Family member says Colo. shooting victim will be paralyzed, suffered miscarriage

(CBS News) CENTENNIAL, Colo. - Ashley Moser, a victim of the Colorado movie theater shootings who lost her six-year-old daughter, has suffered a miscarriage and will be paralyzed because of her injuries, according to her family.

MaryEllen Hansen told CBS News that her niece will be paralyzed from the waist down, but the family hoped she would keep the full use of her arms.

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So, in addition to loosing her 6 yr old daughter, she lost her unborn child and is now paralyzed. Where does one begin to pick up the pieces after this sort of tragedy?

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Post by Julie on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:11 am

Calypso wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57482458/family-member-says-colo-shooting-victim-will-be-paralyzed-suffered-miscarriage/?tag=pop;stories

Family member says Colo. shooting victim will be paralyzed, suffered miscarriage

(CBS News) CENTENNIAL, Colo. - Ashley Moser, a victim of the Colorado movie theater shootings who lost her six-year-old daughter, has suffered a miscarriage and will be paralyzed because of her injuries, according to her family.

MaryEllen Hansen told CBS News that her niece will be paralyzed from the waist down, but the family hoped she would keep the full use of her arms.

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So, in addition to loosing her 6 yr old daughter, she lost her unborn child and is now paralyzed. Where does one begin to pick up the pieces after this sort of tragedy?


That is absolutely terrible that she has gone through so much tragedy.
So sad, and so unfair.

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Post by Freckles on Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:53 am

I feel so deeply grieved for the victims and their families, their friends. This is truly ungodly! Each story is unique and so bitter-sweet only in the fact of those who did live. But the price they have and will pay. The nightmares will be there even for those who never attended the theater that night.

This is the complaint doc in pdf. I understand it lists charges 141 and 142. I 've not read it yet.

July 27, 2012 doc
PDF--- 40 pages
Charges take up first 7 pages
Charges 141:Possession of explosive or incendiary device
Charge 142:Crime of Violence


Page: 17 Charge: 48=== Ashley Moser, the woman who lost her child, her unborn baby, and is now paralyzed.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/18th_Judicial_District/18th_Courts/12CR1522/2012-07-30%2012CR1522%20Complaint.pdf


EDITED:
This appears to be only part of the document.
Pages are number and indicate there are 72 pages in all; only 40 are presented here.
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Post by snowbird on Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:29 am

Calypso wrote:http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57482458/family-member-says-colo-shooting-victim-will-be-paralyzed-suffered-miscarriage/?tag=pop;stories

Family member says Colo. shooting victim will be paralyzed, suffered miscarriage

(CBS News) CENTENNIAL, Colo. - Ashley Moser, a victim of the Colorado movie theater shootings who lost her six-year-old daughter, has suffered a miscarriage and will be paralyzed because of her injuries, according to her family.

MaryEllen Hansen told CBS News that her niece will be paralyzed from the waist down, but the family hoped she would keep the full use of her arms.

***SNIPPED

So, in addition to loosing her 6 yr old daughter, she lost her unborn child and is now paralyzed. Where does one begin to pick up the pieces after this sort of tragedy?

The last time I had read here she appeared that she was going to keep the baby. I am so said that she had a miscarriage. I don't know how she is going to over come this losing her 6 yr old child then the baby she was carrying. I fell it will be a very long rode of recovery for this women emotionally more then physical. This is truly heartbreaking.
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Post by Justice4all on Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:34 pm

James Holmes charged with 142 counts in all



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