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Post by olivier57 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:45 pm

Hi everybody ! I hope I will get enough  time to follow this trial, but time zones aren't good on my side Crying or Very sad

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:13 pm

To clarify something we discussed in Chat, I re-listened to the 911 call from this link:  http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700088382/Martin-MacNeill-Was-his-wife-Micheles-death-accidental-or-was-it-murder.html?pg=all

MM first says that she's under water; he then says he "let the water out".
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:18 pm

HLN just replayed the police officer's testimony; he definitely said she was wearing all three:  white undershirt, bra, black garment.
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Post by Nan11 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:38 pm

Here is a screen shot of the bathroom floor plan.  It's a little blurred and I did check HLN to see if they had a clearer one posted, but the only one I found was very similar to the one below.
 
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Post by Nan11 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:46 pm

olivier57 wrote:Hi everybody !  I hope I will get enough  time to follow this trial, but time zones aren't good on my side Crying or Very sad

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Hi, Oliver57!  

I know what you mean--the time zone thing can be a problem.  So far they have started pretty prompt at 8:30 am Mountain time, and ended around 3:00 pm Mountain time.

They have a one hour noon break as close to 12:00 pm as they can manage, and there is no court on Mondays.

Hope this helps a little.


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Post by Freckles on Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:56 pm

Here is excellent play by play from a twitter account:

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/live-updates-neighbor-testifies-in-martin-macneill-murder-trial/article_1a1cb36c-3800-11e3-ad99-0019bb2963f4.html?comment_form=true

@12:10 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Aguilar says when she arrived Michele was wearing just a white tank-top and nothing else. Had a lot of mucus around her nose

@10:35 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Daniels says Michele was wearing a long-sleeved black t-shirt and nothing else.



@12:30 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
"I was very concerned about who was going to watch the girls, especially since in my head Martin was going to be dying soon," Aguilar

@11:59 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Aguilar says that #MartinMacNeill taught a sunday school lesson during which he told the class he had cancer. Says lesson was heartfelt.

@10:47 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Daniels says everything happened fast but she doesn't remember anyone wiping the mucus from Michele's face or it being transferred to Martin

@12:28 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Aguilar is shown a picture of Gypsy Willis, says she was introduced to her by #MartinMacNeill as "Jillian"

@1:03 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Doug described Michele as "lifeless" says her face was a "little discolored and puffy."

@1:25 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Doug also identifies a photo of Gypsy Willis as "Jillian," says it became clear they were more than nanny and boss several months later.

@3:54 Paige Fieldsted @paigefieldsted
Jury asks questions about the clothing Michele was wearing, how much fluid came out of her when they did chest compression.
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Post by Freckles on Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:58 pm

From today including the tub info:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865588651/Prosecutors-use-bathtub-as-courtroom-prop-in-MacNeill-murder-trial.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:41 pm

Published on Oct 18, 2013



Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 2 - Part 1




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 2 - Part 2




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 2 - Part 3


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:13 pm

olivier57 wrote:Hi everybody !  I hope I will get enough  time to follow this trial, but time zones aren't good on my side Crying or Very sad

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Hi Olivier!

It is very nice to "see" you. I know what you mean, Paris is eight hours ahead of Utah time, that means that when the trial starts in Utah at 8:30 AM, it is already 4:30 PM for you. if you don't have time to watch the trial in the evening or to join us in the Chat, you can come here to read the updates and watch the videos of the trial. We will keep you updated. geek
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:36 pm

Last updated: 7:22 p.m | Friday, Oct. 18, 2013

Murder trial of Utah doctor could turn on bathtub

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Daniels leans over bathtub to describe Michele MacNeill's body position when she was called to the home for help in 2007 during the trial of Martin MacNeill in Judge Derek Pullan's 4th District Court in Provo, Utah, Friday, Oct. 18, 2013. MacNeill, a former Utah doctor, is accused of killing his wife, Michele, after convincing her to get a face-lift, giving her a lethal combination of prescription drugs for recovery and then helping her into the bathtub. The trial is resuming for a second day, with testimony from a dispatcher, police, paramedics and neighbors, and prosecutors said they’re showing the same model of bathtub the couple used at their home in 2007. Defense lawyers say they aren’t objecting to the demonstration.

The Salt Lake Tribune, Al Hartmann, Pool / AP Photo

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:54 pm

Dispatcher who took doctor’s 911 call speaks out

By Kyle Peltz
updated 10:21 PM EDT, Fri October 18, 2013

•Dr. Martin MacNeill made a series of frantic 911 calls on the day of his wife's death
•Heidi Peterson was the dispatcher assigned to MacNeill's call & was called as a witness for the prosecution
•Peterson: Being on the stand was a first-time experience




Heidi Peterson, the emergency dispatcher assigned to Dr. Martin MacNeill’s 911 call, talks exclusively to Nancy Grace about what it was like to testify in a murder trial.

Nancy to dispatcher: You didn’t make a mistake

By Kyle Peltz
updated 10:21 PM EDT, Fri October 18, 2013

•Friday marked the second day of testimony in the Martin MacNeill murder trial
•The arrest affidavit states that MacNeill gave the 911 dispatcher the wrong home address
•It was revealed in court that MacNeill actually gave the correct address




After documents alleged Dr. Martin MacNeill gave 911 dispatchers the wrong home address, evidence during the prosecution’s case shows the address was actually correct. Nancy Grace speaks to Heidi Peterson, the emergency dispatcher who took MacNeill’s call, telling Peterson “I hope you’re not carrying this around like you’ve made some kind of a mistake because it's very clear you did not.”

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/10/18/nancy-dispatcher-you-didnt-make-mistake?clusterId=1725#videoplayer
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Re: Michele MacNeill Found Deceased 4/11/07, Martin Macneill Charged With Murder

Post by Freckles on Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:02 am

TX for the updates and the vids, AD!
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:38 am

Freckles wrote:TX for the updates and the vids, AD!
You are welcome, Freckles.

Thank you so much for all the information that you have provided.


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Post by olivier57 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:31 am

Nan11 wrote:
olivier57 wrote:Hi everybody !  I hope I will get enough  time to follow this trial, but time zones aren't good on my side Crying or Very sad

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Hi, Oliver57!  

I know what you mean--the time zone thing can be a problem.  So far they have started pretty prompt at 8:30 am Mountain time, and ended around 3:00 pm Mountain time.

They have a one hour noon break as close to 12:00 pm as they can manage, and there is no court on Mondays.

Hope this helps a little.
Thanks very much for this information Nan, yes it helps to organize my schedule !

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:26 pm

We were discussing in Chat the other day whether Ada will testify or not.  I found this article that explains what has to happen before that decision is made (@Alessandra:  you were right!):


Final pretrial hearing held in Martin MacNeill murder case

October 09, 2013 12:25 am

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A motion to exclude the testimony of child witness, Ada MacNeill, was also argued. Ada was six when her mother died and testified to finding her mother in the bathtub at a preliminary hearing last year. Defense attorney, Suzanne Gustin, argued that Ada’s testimony has been coached and influenced by being interviewed over and over again by her older sister Alexis Somers. Gustin said that there are several inconsistencies with Ada’s testimony and that her memories of what happened may be false because of the coaching she received.

Prosecuting attorney, Chad Grunander, says it would have been better had Ada not been interviewed by Somers but that the investigation spanned several years and that there were additional questions after the initial forensic interview. Grunander said that Somers was extremely careful to not coach Ada when she questioned her and that Ada’s testimony is corroborated by other witnesses.

Judge Pullan said he is reserving the decision as to whether Ada can testify or not for trial but told prosecutors that they need call Somers and the two detectives in the case prior to calling Ada so he can get an understanding for how the questioning was done.
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(BBM)


Read more:  http://martinmacneill.info/?p=776
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:51 pm

I forgot.
Court is dark on Mondays.
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:28 am

Martin MacNeill trial: What you missed and what’s ahead

"...Court is dark on Mondays so testimony is scheduled to resume Tuesday at 10:30 a.m. ET. More rescuers who were on the scene, along with a police officer and the fire chief, are expected to take the stand.

In the days ahead, jurors may hear from the couple’s daughter, Alexis, who now goes by her mother’s maiden name, Somers. She was a medical student at the time of her mother’s death and was by her mother’s side during her recovery. Somers is expected to testify about her suspicions surrounding her father’s behavior. She may also tell jurors that it was her father who pushed her mother to have the surgery.

Anna Osborne Walthall, a woman who says she was Martin MacNeill’s lover for several months in 2005, is also expected to take the stand at some point. She says MacNeill told her how to administer heart-stopping drugs that can go undetected.

There’s also MacNeill’s alleged mistress, Gypsy Willis, who could be thrown in the mix. Prosecutors say the doctor and Willis were having an affair and she’s the reason MacNeill was moved to kill his wife. The two were convicted of fraud charges in 2009 after using the personal information from one of MacNeill’s adopted daughters to create a new identity for Gypsy as “Jillian.” MacNeill listed “Jillian” as his wife on at least one document, with their marriage date the same day as his late wife’s funeral.

MacNeill’s trial is expected to take place over five weeks. The jury who will decide his fate is made up of six men and five women, which includes three alternates. ..."

http://fox13now.com/2013/10/21/martin-macneill-trial-what-you-missed-and-whats-ahead/


Not sure of quality, etc., but here is a link to live vid trial today:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-live-martin-macneill-murder-trial-live-stream-3/
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:33 am


Live Streaming Feeds:


http://fox13now.com/on-air/live-stream-2/

http://wildabouttrial.com/martin-macneill-live-stream.html
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Post by olivier57 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:33 am

Hi everyone,

Could a link to this trial be added in Forum/Current trials ? Thanks,

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Post by Nan11 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:27 pm

This live link seems to be good, today--less buffering.

http://abcnews.go.com/live

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:02 pm

Published on Oct 22, 2013



Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 3 - Part 1




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 3 - Part 2




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 3 - Part 3




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 3 - Part 4


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:07 pm

Published on Oct 22, 2013



Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 3 - After Lunch Motions


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:41 am



Martin MacNeill Defense Takes on Memory of First Responders

The trial of the Utah doctor accused of killing his wife continues.

10/22/2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/martin-macneill-defense-takes-memory-responders-20650485
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:59 am

Martin MacNeill was erratic, 'hysterical' on day of wife's death, witnesses say

By Jennifer Dobner, For the Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, Oct. 22 2013 4:54 p.m. MDT
Updated: 5 hours ago


PROVO — On the day Martin MacNeill’s wife was found dead in the bathtub of their Pleasant Grove home, his behavior was “hysterical” but not suspicious, a former police detective said Tuesday.

“He was very hysterical, animated,” said Marc Wright, who now works for Lindon police. “Lots of hand gestures and moving about the room between the bathroom and the bedroom.”

But that bombastic behavior, including swearing, pacing, and episodes of shouting “Why did she have the surgery?” and pleading for his wife to “come back to him” didn’t trigger a homicide investigation, the detective testified in Provo’s 4th District Court.

Wright photographed the MacNeill home and documented blood spots on the bathroom floor, the tub and a pile of Michele MacNeill’s soaking wet clothing cut off by paramedics, but never returned to the home after the former beauty queen was pronounced dead.

“You never came back to the house to do any follow-up investigation?” defense attorney Randall Spencer asked Wright during cross-examination in Martin MacNeill’s murder trial Tuesday. “At that time you did not think his behavior was suspicious?”

“No,” Wright said.

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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:45 am

So if the paramedics cut off the clothing how is it the neighbors reported she was unclothed on the lower torso?
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:53 pm

I took a few notes from this morning's testimony:

Leo Scott VanWagoner, Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine; worked in ER where Michele was taken


  • she appeared to be dead when she arrived; no heartbeat, not breathing
  • Dr. observed lividity in buttocks, back
  • she arrived at hospital at 12:25 p.m.
  • poorly profused skin (from no blood flow?)
  • water is not a breathing obstruction
  • rising chest should be seen if breaths are administered correctly
  • 2-2.5 inches of compression required for proper compression
  • (so he's indirectly saying MM lied to 911 when he said he was doing CPR will she was still in tub - my comment)
  • breaths should be done first in a drowning victim to get oxygen to the body
  • Dr. thought initially she had some sort of blood clot
  • Dr. couldn't determine COD; called ME/Sheriff

  • MM offered him $10K to not quit CPR; odd, because as a Dr., he should have known she was dead
  • MM said he thought she had fallen in tub
  • MM said he pulled her from the tub and started CPR
  • MM said he was away from her for 1-2 hours


Defense cross:


  • precordial thump can be administered - pound on central part of sternum to try to get heart going
  • She was intubated (tracheal tube) when she got to the ER
  • Dr. can't say at what time lividity was noticed
  • her sugar level was high, but Dr. said EMTs had administered glucose, so not unusual
  • incisions were breaking/splitting open
  • Dr. believes she was dead at 12:25 when she arrived at hospital
  • Dr. did not see rigor
  • EMTs had administered meds through IV
  • Dr. even tried to warm her body to revive her (warming fluids via IV, and some sort of body-hugging device)


Re-direct:

  • No evidence that she had fallen into tub
  • boby temp could have been affected if she had been in warm water



Stephanie Hansen - ER RN; She works under Dr. VanWagoner

  • Skin color was poor; due to lack of circulation
  • Ashen, gray
  • She was cool to the touch
  • MM was upset/agitated; sharp movements; very verbal
  • Upset: why his wife had surgery; "I told her not to do this" (repeated a few times)


Melissa Frost - HR Director - Utah State Development Center

  • liability prevention
  • USDC - houses patients with mental health diagnoses that prevent them from living elsewhere
  • Ran Safety Fair; was there all day


a.m. recess



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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:55 pm

Freckles wrote:So if the paramedics cut off the clothing how is it the neighbors reported she was unclothed on the lower torso?
The neighbors got there before the paramedics, so the clothes were cut off after the neighbors had already seen her.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:00 pm

olivier57 wrote:Hi everyone,

Could a link to this trial be added in Forum/Current trials ? Thanks,

Olivier
Hi, Olivier    

You may want to PM an Admin, as I think they have to make that change, and they may not see this post.
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Post by olivier57 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:30 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:
olivier57 wrote:Hi everyone,

Could a link to this trial be added in Forum/Current trials ? Thanks,

Olivier
Hi, Olivier    

You may want to PM an Admin, as I think they have to make that change, and they may not see this post.
Hi CuriousPortlander, I did it, we'll see !

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:38 pm


Melissa Frost - HR Director - Utah State Development Center (continued)


  • She was in charge of Safety Fair
  • Safety Fair had been rescheduled for Dr. MacNeill's benefit
  • Award ceremony was scheduled for 11:45
  • received a phone call at 8 a.m. from Josette Harding about moving time of awards ceremony due to MacNeill's availability; she was frustrated by that because it had been carefully planned and affected other people's availability
  • prepared to have ceremony at any moment
  • received a 2nd call around 9:30; advised not to reschedule (from Josette); go ahead as planned; still based on MM's availability
  • third call from Karen Clark (Josette's boss?) between 10:40 and 10:50; said do the ceremony right now; MM would be there for a very brief time and she had to do it immediately
  • ceremony took place around 11 a.m.; MM was there; arrived shortly after 11; he received award
  • After award, noticed he stayed and talked to vendor (though odd because she had to rush to have it but he hung out afterwards); he stayed for about 10-15 mins.
  • She did not see him before award ceremony


Cross:

  • she doesn't recall most of what defense attorney asks; shuts down line of questioning
  • reviewing her testimony
  • MM was responsible for providing personnel to man the medical services booth/table
  • MM dropped by briefly at fair; except first year of fair; he spent about an hour there that first year
  • No one in his dept. did anything without his direction


Re-direct:


  • her testimony was not influenced by anyone else


Court in recess for lunch until 12:35 p.m. Mountain Time
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Post by olivier57 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:59 pm

Thanks to all, this trial is more difficult to follow for me but with your help newspaper , it's fine !

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Post by Nan11 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:08 pm

Hi, CP!  

Thanks for the great notes from this morning's testimony!  Much appreciated.
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Post by Nan11 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:23 pm

olivier57 wrote:Thanks to all, this trial is more difficult to follow for me but with your help newspaper , it's fine !
Here are the live links for today.  Fox 13 is usually the best.

Yesterday we watched it on ABC as Fox 13 was constantly refreshing.  It's probably good just to have a spare.

One of us usually posts the live links in the thread everyday, so I hope that helps.  (I was late this morning.)

Feel free to join us in chat if you have the time.  We usually open one browser window and get the live stream running in it; then we open another browser window for the chat room.

We resize our browser windows so they are side by side--then we can chat away as we watch.    

Fox 13
http://fox13now.com/on-air/live-stream-2/


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Post by olivier57 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:54 pm

Thanks Nan !

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:02 pm

Gayla Moore - worked at USDC for 32 years; housekeeping supervisor


  • She's seen MacNeill at work at various times; conversed
  • Ran into Martin in hallway on April 11 on his way to safety fair
  • seemed hurried; told her he was in a hurry to get over there; she didn't understand that because the fair went until 3
  • He went out double-doors towards Heather building
  • heard Michele had died around 1 p.m. (that day)
  • The Monday after the funeral she ran into him; said I'm sorry for his wife's passing
  • He said everything will be fine; he seemed happy


Cross:

  • he sometimes wore his white lab coat; not often
  • had it on that day (April 11)



Jon David Laycock - worked at USDC, HR Manager

  • MM was hired as physician (director of medical) in 2000
  • Worked with him from 2000-2007
  • MM told him MM had a problem with his nervous system, and cancer in his big toe
  • toe cancer discussion was roughly 5 months or less before April, 2007
  • MM told him he went to a Mayo clinic outside of Utah for treatment
  • witness was in/out of safety fair; conference room adjacent to his office
  • On April 11, he was coming out of his office; MM was coming into building; MM told him he needed his picture taken; he was adamant about it
  • His being adamant was different than normal; he seemed determined
  • Heard about wife's death later that day
  • Interacted with MM later that same week; back to work; normal


Cross:

  • He told investigator that he had seen MM's toe; and it was swollen
  • MM never said anything was terminal
  • witness directed MM to conference room area for picture


Re-direct:

  • met Michele maybe once
  • attended funeral
  • looked at toe because MM went to his office and showed it to him; never asked to see it; MM volunteered that


Re-cross:

  • doesn't remember what day he came back to work (same week or next week)


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Re: Michele MacNeill Found Deceased 4/11/07, Martin Macneill Charged With Murder

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:08 pm


Guy Hale Thompson - Superintendent of USDC


  • knows MM as Med. Director; witness was Dir. of Nursing at the time
  • interacted with MM on daily basis; good working relationship
  • April 11; had weekly meeting which was supplanted by health fair that day
  • MM was at the fair
  • witness was there between 9 and 9:15; certain he saw MM at that time
  • heard by 1-2 that day that Michele had died
  • attended funeral
  • interacted with MM that following Monday; business as normal; surprised to see him that soon; MM said better to get back to work
  • mentioned in the past that MM was looking for housing for nursing friend (meaning Gypsy)


Cross:

  • started working at USDC in 2001 or 2 (I missed that, sorry)
  • got to know MM fairly well
  • quite close with MM
  • saw MM's big toe; not too much before death of wife
  • some condition related to MS that affected his toe; using a cane
  • almost a year before Michele died
  • MM never said he had cancer
  • MM wasn't a big attender at work functions
  • told someone in another interview he saw MM at fair around 10
  • was asked by HR about MM's character; wrote letter about it (doesn't remember content)
  • letter said that MM's physical and mental condition were deteriorating since wife's death
  • other observations indicating MM was depressed


Re-direct:

  • MM said he had several surgeries; someone else confirmed he had done surgery on MM's toe
  • Has since realized telling Det. he saw MM at 10 was incorrect


Re-cross:

  • big toe looked like a potato


Jury question:

  • letter was written to HR dept


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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 4:38 pm


Eileen Heng - lawyer;  dated Damian (DM) (MacNeill's son) spring 2006, broke up in 2008


  • dated frequently; took trips with the family; fairly close with the rest of the family
  • She was at school on April 11
  • got lots of calls/VM/messages while in class; called DM; told her Michele was dead
  • left campus and went to MM's house
  • Damian and Martin were there, then Alexis, then Rachel (and younger girls)
  • arrived in early afternoon (around 1-2)
  • MM and DM were sitting in living room; she approached; hugged both
  • Asked what she could do
  • MM said let's go to master bedroom
  • MM asked her to count pills in Michele's med bottles (5-10 bottles)
  • She and DM did that in front of MM; MM was counting, DM was writing info down; she watched
  • MM said he wanted to know how she died; she wasn't taking her meds (that's a contradiction); wanted to see if any pills were missing
  • MM repeated several times that she wasn't taking her pills
  • white pills and blue pills that she recalls; more than two kinds of pills
  • doesn't know what happened to that list
  • MM seemed frustrated; "I don't want to do this anymore"; asked her to flush the pills down the toilet
  • She knew MM was both a doctor and a lawyer; never heard about him practicing law
  • She did flush them; it seemed strange to her; she complied because he asked her to, and he had just lost his wife and she wanted to help
  • took one flush to flush them all
  • She believes she threw the bottles away in the garbage
  • Alexis hadn't gotten there yet; she was on her way from Las Vegas
  • MM asked her to organize the master bedroom; didn't throw anything away; tidied papers
  • hospital bed looked clean and made; didn't look like anyone had been in it lately
  • MM didn't want to see it, so MM arranged to have it removed shortly thereafter; a couple of days after her death
  • MM said he found M in bathtub; blood "everywhere"
  • MM suspected Michele had fallen and hit her head on bathtub (to explain blood)
  • she did not see any blood in bathroom that afternoon
  • saw wet carpet and some blood stains on carpet; she was barefoot so that's how she noticed wetness
  • blood spot was roughly the size of a half-dollar
  • didn't notice any clothing
  • saw a lot of contention between MM and Alexis (attorneys ask to approach judge)

  • Jillian was the source of the discourse
  • Met Jillian a few weeks to a month after death
  • They were interviewing a nanny that MM asked them to interview (Damian, Vanessa (daughter))
  • Jillian was only applicant; only time they met
  • MM decided to hire her;  asked witness to participate because she was very close to Damian
  • Alexis and Rachel were not part of the interview process
  • Knew of tension between Jillian and Alexis and Rachel; she advised him not to hire Jillian due to his kids; he said he didn't want his kids controlling his life
  • couple of months later found out they were having an intimate relationship
  • went to lunch a few weeks after hired as nanny; she, Damian, MM and Jillian
  • she saw Jillian eat food off MM's plate; thought odd for employer/employee relationship
  • MM wanted pills destroyed because he couldn't bear to look at them
  • She and DM broke up in Feb. 2008
  • Learned later that Jillian was Gypsy
  • bloodstain was in bedroom; identifies it in picture; carpet didn't look like that later


Cross:

  • Went to MM's house very often; house was usually very clean
  • Stayed at MM's on April 11 until evening
  • MM said he picked up Ada from school
  • MM said she wasn't wearing pants; she thought that was odd
  • MM said that she may have fallen in bathtub and hit head; other was med/pill concern due to high blood pressure or high cholesterol
  • MM was rambling; he wanted to see which pills she had and hadn't taken
  • Alexis was not on the phone or present when Jillian being interviewed
  • She was aware of MM's foot problems; sometimes in so much pain he went to his room; was told he was going to doctor for it; doesn't know if he actually went


Re-direct:

  • MM never said anything about cops coming to the door


Jury questions:

  • Did MM tell you how/if he advertised for nanny? No
  • Did she know of application process for nanny?  No
  • Did she see blood on carpet or tile?  Carpet


Re-direct:  

  • Bathroom was clean; no blood


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Re: Michele MacNeill Found Deceased 4/11/07, Martin Macneill Charged With Murder

Post by ishi on Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:50 pm

CP your notes are wonderful!! Thank you so much!
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Re: Michele MacNeill Found Deceased 4/11/07, Martin Macneill Charged With Murder

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:27 pm

Published on Oct 23, 2013



Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 4 - Part 1




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 4 - Part 2




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 4 - Part 3




Martin MacNeill Trial - Day 4 - Part 4


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:31 pm

Published on Oct 23, 2013



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Re: Michele MacNeill Found Deceased 4/11/07, Martin Macneill Charged With Murder

Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:56 pm


Martin MacNeill directed wife's drugs be flushed after her death, woman testifies

Published: Wednesday, Oct. 23 2013 2:45 p.m. MDT  Updated: 3 hours ago

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PROVO — Hours after his wife’s death, Martin MacNeill had her remaining prescription drugs counted, documented and then flushed down a toilet.

That was the testimony Wednesday of Eileen Heng, who said she retrieved five to 10 bottles of Michele MacNeill's prescriptions from the bathroom and then carefully counted the blue and white pills with her then-boyfriend, Damian MacNeill, as his father watched.

“He wanted to know what was missing,” she said of Martin MacNeill on the fourth day of his murder trial. “He did say she was not taking her pills, she had high blood pressure and high cholesterol.”

Later, on cross-examination, Heng confirmed that she had told investigators that Martin MacNeill had also said he believed the pills may have contributed to his wife's death and he “couldn’t bear to look at them.”
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Read more:  http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865588964/CPR-on-body-in-bathtub-would-not-be-effective-doctor-testifies-in-MacNeill-trial.html
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Re: Michele MacNeill Found Deceased 4/11/07, Martin Macneill Charged With Murder

Post by Nan11 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:19 am

ishi wrote:CP your notes are wonderful!! Thank you so much!
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:56 pm


Notes from Oct. 24 - jury is not present


Doug Whitney, Case Officer

  • Asked to look at case in July 2008 by Jeff Robinson
  • Made contact with Alexis
  • Started collecting info
  • Knows Ada; daughter of Vanessa; adopted by the MacNeills (so Ada is not Martin's daughter)
  • Investigator Patty Johnson interviewed Ada roughly Aug/Sept. of 2008
  • Ada's the one that discovered her mother in the tub
  • Interview set up through Alexis; Alexis was a mother figure for Ada
  • He did not personally interview Ada; doesn't think Robinson did either
  • After first interview with Ada, things came to light that they were interested in
  • They were hoping they'd get more info from Ada than her original interview
  • He asked Alexis to follow up with questions for Ada for confirmation/corroboration
  • Never informed Alexis what specific info he was looking for
  • Asked for info on what she had seen at the scene; she must have been rather close to the tub to see her mother's body
  • Never said "this is what we need Ada to say"


Cross:

  • He did share most, but not all, of his theories with Alexis, but those theories changed on a weekly basis
  • He emailed an interview to Alexis (Ada's?) to get Alexis' comments on it
  • Prior to interview at justice center, he spoke to attorneys about interviewing her
  • Spoke with Patty Johnson about that interview; discussed where interview would occur
  • Attorney showed witness an email from Rachel in July 2008
  • In the email, Rachel shares info about a discussion with Ada; email said MM had time to rearrange her body
  • Ada described what her mom was wearing (including pants); Alexis added "I think she means her running suit"
  • Judge asked to see email; email accepted into evidence
  • reviewed another email from Sept. 2008; email says Alexis is afraid to question her further without help
  • email from Patty Johnson from Sept. 2008; Mary O'Brien (attorney) told Patty adamantly that Ada be interviewed at Justice center (via professional)
  • another email from Alexis (Feb. 26, 2009)
  • in discovery, defense only received emails sent to this witness, but not what he sent out
  • another email from Alexis; she talked to Ada several times, and Ada keeps saying the same thing
  • discussing interview (Alexis, Linda, Jeff) about the case including Ada's testimony
  • Alexis presented drawing about how MM found his wife and discussed what Ada had seen in relationship to that
  • Alexis reported that MM said he found Michele with head towards faucet; Alexis said that Ada said Michele's head was at opposite end of tub (feet at faucet); witness said another witness (Daniels) said the opposite
  • Defense attorney making big deal about this witness telling Alexis what other witnesses had said
  • another email; Robinson discussing how much water Ada saw in the tub; Ada reported about 1/4 full


Judge asks witness questions:

  • Judge asked witness how many times he asked Alexis to follow up with Ada; possibly 2 times; thinks one was unsolicited (volunteered by Rachel); maybe a couple of times
  • What topics were being followed up on - what she saw when she first came into bathroom, what she was told, and demeanor of MM


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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:59 pm


Jury still not present


Jeff Robinson - became case officer, Bureau of Investigation Chief; in 2011; replacing Whitney


  • established relationship with Alexis as a witness in the case
  • never interviewed Ada
  • he asked Alexis to follow up with Ada as he reviewed the case and questions came up
  • questions for Ada were relative to where Michele was in tub; and level of water; he asked for a diagram of such
  • Never directed Alexis as to what specific facts he wanted to get from Ada
  • Discussed with Alexis the progress of the case


Cross:

  • witness doesn't disagree with anything Whitney just testified to
  • reviewing another email where witness asked Alexis to get diagram from Ada
  • email also asked to get water level from Ada
  • discussing multiple emails where witness was asking Alexis to follow up with Ada about which drain Michele's hair was stuck in; the lower or the upper
  • emails being discussed are regarding answers he was still waiting on (water level)
  • Judge asked if email contains new info he didn't ask for; yes
  • Contained new details he hadn't heard before
  • Alexis told witness she was working on civil case re:  MM's house; Alexis said she was afraid her father would win that case; asked witness to write a letter
  • subsequent email where witness discussed case with Alexis
  • email from witness to Whitney about concern over conflicting answers
  • admits that child witnesses are better off being interviewed by professionals


Re-direct

  • investigation reopened in Jan. 2008
  • Doug assigned in July 2008; that's when things got rolling
  • Alexis wasn't originally "point" person; eventually became point person, as well as Linda Cluff (Michele's sister)
  • Alexis and Linda were victim representatives in this case; were kept updated on the case; routine procedure
  • Never suggested or fed her an answer that he needed; just asked simple questions
  • Theories were changing over time, depending on who they talked to; once witness got involved, he followed the evidence and collected info



Re-cross:

  • In Sept. 2009, witness released certain info to media (through prosecutor)
  • Deseret News articles published with info released
  • Attorney bringing up Nancy Grace, 20/20; witness participated in 20/20 interview
  • witness did not follow the media
  • someone (judge?  prosecutor?) said he doubted a 10-yr. old was reading the Deseret News


Re-re-direct:

  • witness does not know what Ada saw in media; Alexis said she was keeping Ada from seeing media
  • purpose of releasing info was to get new leads/info




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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:01 pm

Jury still not present

Alexis Michele Somers (MM's daughter)

  • Ada is Vanessa's daughter; MacNeills adopted her shortly thereafter
  • Alexis has been Ada's legal guardian for about 7 years; won custody about 7 months after mother's death (summer 2007)
  • living in Henderson, Nevada when she got custody
  • Ada is 12 now; 6 when Michele died
  • Ada gave interview at justice center sometime in 2008 (Sept); so she was 7 when first interviewed
  • Alexis talked to Ada about what she observed; Ada would bring things up over time; sometimes responded with questions to Ada; how did you find Mom?  What happened that day?
  • Discussing leading questions (which contain answer in question) vs. open-ended; she asked Ada very general open-ended questions; most of it was Alexis just listening to Ada when Ada would bring it up
  • Whitney and Robinson came to her with some questions about Ada's observations
  • She recalls them asking how close Ada got to the tub; that's how she worded it to Ada
  • She recalls being asked to follow up on how much water was in tub; that's how she worded it again
  • Media reports started around 2009 (when investigation was changing); newspaper interviews (Deseret News, Daily Herald; local news), and then TV interviews; local TV news stations, ABC (20/20), Nancy Grace; various news outlets throughout the years
  • When 20/20 was broadcast, she was living in Utah (with Ada)
  • Alexis didn't allow Ada to be interviewed or to watch any news/media; didn't want her to be tainted; knew she'd be a potential witness; wanted to protect Ada from media
  • She doesn't remember ever expressing to Ada what Alexis believed (that dad killed mom), but she believes Ada knows that now; not sure; ask Ada
  • Alexis is not aware of what conversations other sisters have had with Ada
  • In Jan. 2011, she and Linda Cluff had interview with investigators; she recalls telling investigators what Ada had told her about what she observed that day
  • She believes she reported that Michele was facing the opposite direction (feet at faucet)
  • She was later asked by investigators to get diagram from Ada
  • Judge asking for clarification on how Alexis asked for diagram
  • She was emailed a form to fill out; Alexis drew picture of tub; Ada drew how mom was laying in tub; took 5-10 minutes
  • Judge asking what questions she asked Ada during that time
  • Ada was saying other things (like describing the water, mom's eyes were open); she said a few things that Alexis drew on diagram
  • Showing diagram to Alexis; Alexis wrote down what Ada said on that diagram
  • Alexis never prepared or coached Ada on what she should say; just asked her what she remembered
  • Has anyone else discussed this with Ada; only MM


Cross:

  • Discussing preliminary hearing testimony where she said she doesn't remember specific conversations with Ada
  • She remembers Ada bringing up info about mom's death
  • Alexis was present when Ada was interviewed but wasn't allowed to watch; never received a transcript of that interview
  • After that interview, she had multiple conversations with Ada; asked to follow up with Ada
  • attorney showing Alexis an email where investigator asked her to follow up
  • email said she had talked with Ada several times and this is what she kept saying
  • detectives have shared info and documents with her over the years, including some summaries of their investigations; read and responded with her comments (things they got right and wrong)
  • attorney reviewing document stating which direction Michele's body was facing; Alexis said her dad had flipped the body due to Ada having found her with her feet at the faucet
  • doc says Daniels said her head was at faucet
  • Alexis said Ada saw her before the Daniels
  • Alexis said that could have given time for MM to flip the body
  • Ada said her head was at the other end (feet at faucet)
  • In the doc, Alexis said she hadn't asked Ada how close she got to the tub; Alexis now says she thinks she mispoke


Re-direct:

  • she had worked a long shift before interview with detectives; was tired
  • Ada described laying on back; eyes open, head at faucet; Alexis misunderstood from beginning and thought Ada had said her feet were by faucet


Judge asking:

  • for clarification on questioning Ada; asked open-ended questions; what did you do when you got home; what did you see?
  • 5-10 mins. of discussion


Re-re-direct:

  • investigators never asked for specific answers


Judge:  Approach

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Post by Nan11 on Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:55 pm

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:09 pm

Jury is now present

This is long, so I'll try to break the bullet list into smaller sections

Rachel MacNeill (MM's oldest daughter)


  • lives in Salt Lake City, Utah
  • last saw Michele Easter, 2007
  • Rachel is the oldest; children in order are:  Rachel, Vanessa, Alexis, Damian, and the 4 younger adopted ones
  • Noel, Elle, Giselle, Sabrina adopted; Ada is also adopted by MacNeills (biological niece)
  • Growing up, she was very close with her dad; he was her best friend
  • Family was close; closer to her father than her mother growing up
  • Left home at 16 to go to BYU
  • MacNeills were in the home about 1 year before Michele died
  • Rachel never lived in that home in Pleasant Grove
  • April 11 - she was at work (had left cell phone at home); when she got home, saw missed calls from her dad; jumped in her car and called her dad
  • MM left her a voicemail; "Rachel, quick get to the hospital, it's your mother"
  • She called him and asked what's happening
  • He said "Rachel, come home"; she said what's happening; he repeated "come home" and then hung up on her

  • Rachel immediately went right to Pleasant Grove home
  • observed neighbors in the kitchen; right away went to look for her father; wanted to make sure he was OK
  • he was sitting on couch in her parent's room; Alexis was there
  • she told him she couldn't comprehend
  • MM wanted to tell her what had happened; knowing Michele had died, she didn't want to hear; MM was adamant about describing and showing what happened
  • She said she didn't want to know; he insisted; she stood back and watched and listened (in the master bedroom)
  • He went into the bathroom right off the bedroom; she stood in the doorway
  • MM showed step-by-step how he found her mother; talked about Ada first finding her mother; "Ada was ruined"; and then walked through where he found her mother; Alexis was also present
  • Rachel is very emotional; asked for a few moments break (stretch break for jury)

  • Rachel stayed at the home that night
  • MM told her that evening in the bedroom that he was very concerned with getting an autopsy done right away; kept repeating that; she asked why?  He said he was concerned there would be a police investigation and he didn't want anyone to think he had murdered her mother; she said why would anyone think that; she doesn't remember his response
  • That day, she found her mother's belongings (stuffed animals, hospital bed, towels, sheets, a running suit, garments) discarded in the garage; it was all wet and bloody (she whispered that; I hope the jury heard that); all thrown in garage
  • She took the garments, a dark blue running suit, and took them to her father
  • He said "how dare you show me those things; get rid of it!"
  • She washed them, put them in a bag and kept them, and eventually turned them over to investigators

  • She was a dental assistant; when her mom died, she quit her job because her father said they needed to get a nanny, and it didn't make sense to her, so she quit to take care of the younger kids
  • He told her "don't you dare do that" (about quitting her job); you need to go on with your life; and he'd find someone to take care of the children
  • She continued to live in SLC, but she occasionally stayed at MacNeill's home after death
  • MM continued to talk about getting Nanny
  • A few days after death, MM was adamant to go to the temple to pray about getting a nanny
  • They went to the temple on the Tuesday after the funeral (which was on Saturday)
  • MM went to work and met her at the temple (Alexis drove on her own)
  • She expected to spend time speaking with her father; they went their separate ways instead and he said to meet outside
  • She couldn't find him in the temple; looked everywhere; walked outside and got in her car to look for him; she drove to see if she could find his car; drove by his work; didn't see his car there
  • One of them called the other; he was very upset; said "where are you? We were supposed to meet outside"
  • She went back; he was very upset; she apologized; he was on bench and approached him; she sat down; a woman walked up right away from the parking area; she approached them and said "I'm so sorry for your loss; I was at the funeral"; dad said "thank you; what's your name?"  Jillian.  Dad said he had to excuse himself to go to restroom.
  • Jillian kept talking to her about nursing school; Alexis said her mom had just died and couldn't talk, but Jillian kept talking
  • MM came back; asked again what her name was; asked for her phone number; typed it into his cell phone
  • MM said "she seems really nice; what's her name again?"  "Maybe we should call her and go to lunch?"  She said I thought we were here to talk about a nanny; he yelled at her
  • Identified a picture of Jillian "Gypsy" Willis; (she can't even look at it; said ugh twice and burst into tears)

  • thought she had seen Jillian at the funeral and at USDC
  • Next saw Jillian the day MM had her move in as the nanny; he was putting a lock on her door because he didn't want her to feel uncomfortable because there was "a man in the house"; this was approximately very shortly after death; maybe two weeks if not less
  • She came in after Jillian moved in; MM wanted her to show Jillian around
  • Jillian didn't do anything that was related to the children; cook, clean, take care of children; she didn't do any of it; the kids were taking care of themselves; MM was doing cooking
  • MM asked her to come to family meeting after that temple day; he said he had put up flyers asking for a nanny; he said Alexis was to no longer be a member of the family; that she thought he was having an affair; that her mother thought they were having an affair; "ridiculous", and that Alexis was to no longer be a member of the family
  • She refused to play a role in finding/hiring a nanny after finding out Alexis had been excluded from family
  • Became aware that MM and Jillian had an intimate relationship shortly after death; obvious; she was "goo-eyed" at my dad; did nothing like a nanny would do

  • Prior to April 11, she and MM talked about his will; bizarre; objection by defense; approach

  • MM talked about what was in his will; she, Alexis, and her mother were present; MM said that he wanted to go over everything; Alexis will be made executor if anything were to happen; her mom said "what about me?"; objection non-responsive; stricken from record
  • MM said that Alexis would be in charge upon death, in presence of her mother
  • MM gave $5000 each to Damian, her, and Alexis; very unusual; had never done anything like that before; never explained why; just a gift; this was around Easter; shortly before mom's death
  • On April 11, he wanted to show her how he found her mom; MM said Ada found her; he went into bathroom
  • He demonstrated how she was found; was adamant describing it; said Ada had gone in and found mom and called him; he went in and found her.  He showed her by bending over the tub to show how mom was found hanging over tub with her legs sticking out; described her as face down; he said she was under the water; her head was under water
  • He said he couldn't lift her out; said he had Ada get neighbor; said she must have fallen and hit her head; kept repeating that the autopsy needed to be done

  • He said she was wearing just a garment top; nothing else
  • Attorney shows her bagged articles of clothing of her mother's; black shirt; she keeps handling it trying to figure out what it is; it's the top of the running outfit (but it's cut from the EMTs); the one she found in the "big bloody mess" of everything that was thrown in a pile in the garage
  • another bag with a garment in it; her mother's white garment; found in the same place in the garage
  • another bag with her mother's bra; found in the same pile
  • turned all these items over to the investigators eventually

  • Discussion back to temple; (she looks disgusted when it's brought up)
  • MM said he had recognized Jillian; Jillian said she worked with him
  • Jillian looked dressed as if going into the temple, but Jillian got in her car and Rachel never saw her go into the temple
  • She saw her dad, days before mom's death, carrying heavy sheetrock down the stairs; she offered to help him carry them; he had no difficulty and was running down the stairs with them
  • Before the funeral, she overheard MM talking to ME, Dr. Fricky (she could hear both ends of conversation)
  • Following funeral, there was a family gathering for lunch; MM was there; he was commenting on how he's a single man now and being social; very casual; joking about being single; laughing; made her sick and she left

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Alexis Michele Somers (MM's daughter); continued

Cross:

  • lawyer asking her about not mentioning the joking about being single during preliminary hearing; witness doesn't remember; shut down that line of questioning (lawyer didn't try to refresh her memory)
  • Asking her about Easter (a few days after the surgery); Michele was feeling a bit nauseous from surgery; mom was in bed when Rachel saw her; attorney trying to get her to say "she was sick" and that she had a migraine that day; she's not answering; lawyer now showing her the transcript from the prelim hearing; testimony was that she was in pain and had a migraine, and that she felt sick
  • MM was sitting on couch; appeared distraught, was crying; "Ada is ruined"
  • but at some point he was showing neighbors the remodeling
  • going over what was wadded up in the garage; decorative towels from bathroom; little stuffed animals; big pile thrown in garage
  • She's not good with blood; she saw blood and everything was wet
  • Attorney questioning how much blood she saw; seeing blood makes her sick; "not my mother's blood"
  • She washed the clothing that day (April 11)
  • She bagged the clothing she had washed; gave to investigators much later
  • she didn't want her little sisters to see the pile of stuff in the garage, especially the bloody clothing; dad said to get rid of it; she wanted to keep it but didn't want to keep bloody clothes, so that's why she washed them

  • After MM demonstrated how Michele was found, that's when he kept bringing up the autopsy; continually
  • lawyer going over interview with Det. Whitney; she doesn't remember what she told Whitney (effectively shutting down line of questioning)
  • Now showing prelim transcript; going over her testimony; she told prosecutors before the prelim that MM kept talking about the autopsy; Rachel keeps saying she doesn't remember what she testified to, even after reading the transcripts
  • Now discussing the overheard conversation with Dr. Fricky, who was on speakerphone
  • MM was speaking to Dr. Fricky; asking if Alexis was asking  a lot of questions of Dr. Fricky; she said Alexis wasn't on the phone with Dr. F; MM was
  • Shown transcript; she told Doug Whitney that Alexis had asked a lot of questions and medical things and Rachel kept leaving the room; too much for her to hear

  • Temple incident:  questioning which Tuesday it was; could it have been the week after (i.e., two weeks after funeral); she doesn't remember
  • Conversation about nanny happened on April 11; lawyer is saying that was brought up on day of funeral; not the day of death, per Rachel's conversation with Det. Whitney; reviewing these transcripts are not refreshing her memory; Rachel said he brought it up many times
  • Attorney said he didn't want you to be the nanny because of your mental (something; condition? state?)  Objection by the state; sustained
  • At funeral, Rachel read from her journal; doesn't remember if she wrote in it daily
  • Attorney asking her what the journal looked like
  • Defense attorney Spencer asked for the journal to be turned over; she says she couldn't find her journal; she had just moved; most of her stuff was in a different state
  • MM joked at funeral (first comment when he spoke!)
  • She does not recall her dad seeming sad at the funeral
  • Going on testimony; she said he fluctuated between being sad and smiling; she said it depended who he was talking to; smiled/happy towards a few people, and Gypsy was one of them; attorney is saying this is new info that she's never said before
  • "He had a big toe; he said it hurt"

  • Attorney pushing her to say she was in bedroom downstairs and dad was in kitchen, and he was making a hop/drag sound; she doesn't remember that, but she remembers being asked that question at the prelim
  • Attorney clarified that Rachel didn't help carry the sheetrock
  • MM and Michele gave her a car; MM paid for her two weddings; and honeymoon
  • Attorney asking her if she asked her dad in Mar/April 2007 for a new computer; no
  • She bought a computer with the $5K he gave her so she could make a tribute website for her mom
  • Attorney bringing up that her mom bought furniture for Rachel's apartment; mom didn't work outside home, so the money came from him; yes, mom helped decorate apartment
  • talking about Rachel having lived in Seattle

  • lived with Alexis for 3 years
  • showing her the $5K check; also another check written by her mom the next day for $1K; Rachel doesn't remember getting that check; might have been for something she bought for them that she was reimbursed for
  • showing her copies of checks made out to Rachel
  • June 3, 2007; email written to "Lexie" - "something is very wrong"; questions about Gypsy/Jillian; why did dad pretend not to know her; why was she outside the temple that day; Rachel doesn't remember writing the email, but admits those were all questions she had
  • Ever have delusions or psychosis?  Objection:  foundation
  • Have you ever been diagnosed as bi-polar?  Yes


Re-direct:

  • during demo of how mom died, Alexis was present with her
  • On April 11, Alexis, some neighbors, and her father where there; later the rest of the children were there
  • $5K checks were handed out with MM, Michele, Alexis and Rachel present; doesn't remember if Damian was there
  • Others were present when Jillian moved in (MM, Damian, Elle, Giselle, Eileen, Alexis, her)


Jury Questions:

  • Did MM describe turning mom's body over during demo?  I don't remember
  • Did MM express any concerns to you what he thought the autopsy might find?  I don't remember



Jackie Colledge; had a ballet school in Am. Fork; MacNeill children went there

  • At first, business relationship
  • Invited Michele to volunteer because of sewing skills, cooking, etc.; eventually Michele became a board member for the ballet assoc.
  • all 8 children took ballet there
  • good relationship with Michele; eventually they became very close friends
  • 20 year relationship
  • Attended Michele's funeral; MM spoke at funeral; he talked more about himself than Michele; talked about how he and the children would survive; it was about him and his grief
  • MM and Jillian came to her house (with Sabrina, Elle, and Ada) two Monday's after the funeral; witness' husband was present
  • MM introduced Jillian as new nanny; witness said she said how sorry she was for Michele's death
  • MM said Michele had health problems her whole life and refused to take medication
  • Witness offered to help take kids to ballet; MM said he hired a nanny who was a nursing student who wouldn't be available to pick up the kids to get them to ballet
  • On Mothers Day, her grandson was christened that day at church; MM addressed congregation that day; he said how sad he was, and most of the rest of the talk was about single mothers and how they should be recognized on Mother's Day




Cross:

  • the day they went to her house, it seemed sooner than 3 weeks after funeral



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Jury excused for the day and not present



  • Both parties stipulate that the defense is not offering a defense that Michele committed suicide; jury will be so instructed

  • Discussion about Ada testifying; defense arguing case law about a child's testimony being tainted intentionally or unconsciously and being excluded as a result.  Judge asked for specific examples.
  • Ada first described black and blue clothing; later called it a running suit, as Alexis did.
  • Defense doesn't know how that tainting occurred.  Therefore, impossible to cross-examine her.
  • Defense saying Ada understood Alexis' opinion that MM killed Michele
  • Ada's testimony has changed over time, per defense
  • Lots of "new" facts being introduced
  • McDonalds info also changed; Ada originally said mom was too sick to drive her to McD's; now she's saying Michele was planning to take her to McDs
  • Discussing case law relative to this
  • Defense wants Ada to not testify at all; but willing to accept partial testimony up to the justice center interview

  • State acknowledges best practice would have been professional interviews
  • defendant doesn't have right to expect child witness to only be questioned professionally
  • State bringing up case law; refers to a child parroting what others said; not the case here
  • State understands concern, but tainting is just speculation
  • State says everything can be explored on cross-examination
  • Discussing eye witnesses and how it can be questionable; but shouldn't be excluded
  • The Daniels are husband and wife, but both described different clothing; that was allowed
  • Judge sees some of what Ada said is corroborated by others (Daniels)
  • defendant's statements to 911 corroborate; defendant's own statements about Ada being "ruined" corroborates
  • Judge saying corroborating witnesses is what defense is saying is the problem; her story matches theirs (now)

  • Defense:  body position illustrates the problem; her testimony about it changed
  • Defense goes on and on; too hard to capture
  • Defense: we know her testimony was tainted; requires extraordinary remedy (exclude testimony)

  • State:  bias, reliablity, etc., can all be questioned during cross
  • State:  more has come out, but not from taint; extraordinary if court excludes testimony
  • Judge intends to render decision tomorrow morning at 8:30 if attorneys don't reach stipulation before then

  • State brings up Roma Henry; jury was inquired; no one knew that witness; judge asked state not to call witness before next week to give defense time to prepare; judge will allow Henry to testify

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