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Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 10 March 2014, Session 1

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Steenkamp's pathological evidence not for broadcast: Judge Masipa

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Oscar Trial: Ammo Used Was Designed To Kill Not Disable

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Pretoria – Pathologist Gert Saayman, testifying in the Oscar Pistorius murder trial on Monday, told the court the ammunition used in the shooting was black talon, designed to cause maximum damage in its victim.

According to reporters inside the Pretoria High Court, Saayman testified that Pistorius used black talon ammunition when he shot and killed his model girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. This ammunition has been taken off the market in some countries.

Saayman said the bullets shattered into multiple parts in some of the injuries Steenkamp sustained. He also said Steenkamp ate about two hours before she was killed.

Pistorius meanwhile, has not been able to stop vomiting and retching since Saayman began to give his evidence just after 12pm.

Earlier on Monday Judge Thokozile Masipa ordered the live broadcast be cut during Saayman’s evidence. She also banned reporters from tweeting and blogging live the pathologist’s testimony.

Court is adjourned until Tuesday.

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Pistorius' bullet was designed to maximise tissue damage: pathologist

Sapa | 10 March, 2014 15:08


Olympic and Paralympic track star Oscar Pistorius looks on from the dock during his trial for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, at the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria.
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The bullets fired from Oscar Pistorius's gun which killed Reeva Steenkamp are known as expanding bullets, the High Court in Pretoria heard.

They were designed to cause maximum tissue damage, pathologist Professor Gert Saayman said.

Such a bullet caused major damage, opening up when striking human tissue.

Doctors knew to be careful when dealing with such wounds because they could cut themselves on the projectile.

Pistorius sat in the dock with his head down and hands covering his face.

He closed his ears and gagged as Saayman gave graphical evidence.

Steenkamp had a blue discoloration on her inner right buttocks that could have been caused from the bullet wound to her right hip.

"But no projectile could be found," said Saayman.

There was also a reddish bruise on the right nipple.

The court heard that Steenkamp had a few bruises on her body that were not as a result of the shooting.

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SABreakingNews : #OscarTrial Pathologist says Reeva ate 2hours before she was killed at around 3am. OP says they went to bed at 10pm
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Pistorius vomits while hearing ‘explicitly graphic’ details from model’s autopsy

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Pistorius, 27, also broke down and sobbed loudly, twice interrupting the testimony of pathologist Gert Saayman as he described pretty blonde Reeva Steenkamp’s injuries.

Saayman testified that Steenkamp, 29, died from multiple gunshot wounds, including one each in the head, arm and hip. Pistorius also squeezed off a fourth round that missed.

As Saayman spoke, Pistorius threw up into a bucket that had been given him.

He then sat with head bowed, covering his ears with his hands and a white handkerchief — by now a familiar pose — on the sixth day of his trial in a South African courtroom.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:25 am

"Professor Gert Saayman, the state pathologist, said Steenkamp had been dressed in a grey Nike shorts and a black vest top when she was killed by three bullets fired by Pistorius.

He said the model was shot in the hip, arm and head and had additional injuries caused by shrapnel and splinters from the door, along with a wound to her hand potentially caused by her raising it to protect her face.

Some of the bullets were damaged by their trajectory through the door, causing additional damage, Prof Saayman added.

The bullet to her head splintered and parts embedded in her brain, he said."

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"The judge has banned details of the pathologist's evidence from being tweeted or live broadcast to protect the "dignity" of Steenkamp and the feelings of her family, along with "vulnerable members of society including children" who might be tuning in to the live coverage.

Print media were told they could publish "summarised, paraphrased and responsible" reports about what was said during the hearing.

Her ruling was made after a request by the pathologist who said his role as a doctor required him to bear in mind the ethics of his actions.

He said that he was concerned that the intense public interest in the case would result in excessively detailed reports.

The case continues."

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:45 am

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:50 am

Oscar changes his story

10 March 2014 14:18

At first he didn’t say a word about an early morning conversation with Reeva Steenkamp. Now he claims they spoke shortly before he had shot her.

In Oscar Pistorius’ affidavit submitted last year at his bail application, he describes how he and Steenkamp went to sleep that evening, how he woke up in the early hours of the morning and then got up to bring the fan in before he heard a noise in the bathroom.

But in his explanation of plea submitted to the court when his trial began on Monday, there is new information that was not in his initial affidavit. In this statement, he says he spoke to Steenkamp shortly before he got up to bring the two fans in.

“In the early hours, I brought two fans in from the balcony.

“Shortly before that, I spoke to Reeva who was next to me in bed,” the explanation of plea reads.

There’s a big difference, says Barry Hurter, a criminal law expert and attorney in Johannesburg.

The state can now cross-examine Pistorius about this difference when he testifies.

There are also two other differences. In the affidavit, Pistorius speaks of “the fan”, but in the explanation of plea of “two fans”.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:03 am



Oscar Pistorius’ bullets designed for maximum damage, court hears

Charl du Plessis | 10 March 2014 15:54

The ammunition that killed Reeva Steenkamp was designed to fold out “like the petals of a flower” and inflict maximum damage to a victim.

This was according to today’s testimony by Dr Gert Saayman, a forensic pathologist, who conducted the autopsy on Steenkamp.

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Saayman testified that the bullet shards he discovered in Steenkamp’s body was “ranger” ammunition, formerly known as “Black Talon” ammunition.

Saayman said he was not a ballistics expert but that he was familiar with this type of ammunition as he had seen such injuries before.

He testified that the bullet was designed to “mushroom” or open up like the petals of a flower, to transmit the maximum amount of kinetic energy (motion energy) to the victim.

Furthermore, the “petals” also have very sharp edges, designed to inflict even more damage.

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Oscar Pistorius trial halted after athlete is sick in the dock as pathologist details Reeva's gunshot injuries

Mar 10, 2014 10:56  By Steve Robson


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Oscar Pistorius' murder trial had to be halted after the athlete was repeatedly sick in the dock as he listened to graphic evidence about his former girlfriend's post mortem examination.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:15 am

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#OscarPistorius OP still making regular loud retching noises, appears to be vomitting as details of post mortem are read out

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andrew harding ‏@BBCAndrewH  · 6h  
Media lawyer submits that newspapers and Tweeters should be allowed to report as in "any other case." #OscarPistorius

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Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 1h  
#OscarPistorius using Black Talon / Ranger ammunition, pathologist says, designed to expand on impact, max damage. Basically, RS no chance

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 1h  
#OscarPistorius Without details, RS head wound extensive, probably instantly fatal, pathologist says. He noted, however, heart can beat on

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 1h  
#OscarPistorius Analyzing any evidence, pathologist says RS ate no more than 2 hours before death (died after 3am) Doesn't match OP story

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:35 pm

"Saayman stood for much of his testimony, referring to photographs that were not shown to the gallery as he described bullet wounds on Steenkamp's body, one to the right side of the head, one to the right arm and one to the right hip area. He also described exit wounds caused by the bullets and other abrasions and discoloration of the skin, consistent with the impact of a bullet fired through a wooden object such as a door.

Saayman said that each of the three main gunshot wounds Steenkamp suffered could have been fatal in isolation. Steenkamp's right arm was also broken and she had multiple skull fractures, both because of the effect of bullets, Saayman said.

There was another wound on one of Steenkamp's hands, Saayman said. Steenkamp, a model and personality on a television reality show, was wearing a pair of sports shorts with a Nike logo, a former sponsor of Pistorius, and a black undershirt when she was shot, he said.

Saayman also gave his expert opinion on how long before she died Steenkamp last ate by the food contents in her stomach. He estimated that it wouldn't have been more than two hours before she died. That appeared to contradict Pistorius' version that suggests the couple had eaten and were in bed by 10 p.m. Steenkamp was shot after 3 a.m."

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:51 pm



Tragic ... Reeva Steenkamp was shot dead

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:50 pm

"Roux said that Pistorius also believed that he had called before security arrived at the home, contrary to Baba's testimony.

Roux then argued that on the second call that Pistorius indicated that “he” was fine.

Baba shot back that if Pistorius believed there was an intruder in his home - the defence's key argument - why had he not used the alarm system at the home."

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Post by Freckles on Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:08 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Oscar changes his story

10 March 2014 14:18

At first he didn’t say a word about an early morning conversation with Reeva Steenkamp. Now he claims they spoke shortly before he had shot her.

In Oscar Pistorius’ affidavit submitted last year at his bail application, he describes how he and Steenkamp went to sleep that evening, how he woke up in the early hours of the morning and then got up to bring the fan in before he heard a noise in the bathroom.

But in his explanation of plea submitted to the court when his trial began on Monday, there is new information that was not in his initial affidavit. In this statement, he says he spoke to Steenkamp shortly before he got up to bring the two fans in.

“In the early hours, I brought two fans in from the balcony.

“Shortly before that, I spoke to Reeva who was next to me in bed,” the explanation of plea reads.

There’s a big difference, says Barry Hurter, a criminal law expert and attorney in Johannesburg.

The state can now cross-examine Pistorius about this difference when he testifies.

There are also two other differences. In the affidavit, Pistorius speaks of “the fan”, but in the explanation of plea of “two fans”.

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Thanks you! I was sure I had heard OP state he had brought in FANS but I could not find it when I looked back!
Now I hear mention of FAN? Wow.

OP appears to be using drama to appeal to the court. Sad 
Good luck with that!
Any woman out there knows how to turn on the tears and use vomiting to make a point... Shocked 
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Post by Freckles on Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:11 pm

Could OP have gotten physical with the victim prior to her running to the bathroom? Is that a possibility to explain some of the injuries?
Then, after running to the bathroom, the victim may have contemplated going out the bathroom window (reason for open window...oddly, OP does not state it was open due to the HEAT...) ? OP became more enraged when he could not control victim so he started shooting thru the door?

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:44 pm

"Gesturing to show the court where Steenkamp's injuries were located, Saayman described three major gunshot wounds – in her right upper arm, her right hip and her head. He said any one of them could have been fatal on their own.

The pathologist also reported an injury on the webbing of her left hand, between the second and third fingers, as if a gunshot had passed through, traveling from the back of her hand in the direction of her palm. Saayman said there were also several indistinct bruises on her thigh, shin and below her knee, which he believed to be injuries that were a day or so old.

The wound that caused the most damage, according to Saayman's testimony, appeared to have been the one to Steenkamp's head, caused seemingly by a bullet traveling on a downwards trajectory from the top of her head towards the base of her skull, although the pathologist was careful to note her head could have been in various positions when the bullet struck at a shallow angle. He said the gunshot would have been "immediately incapacitating," rendering her "for all intents and purposes, incapable of voluntary actions," and knocking her unconscious."

~Snipped~

He said the gunshot which struck her abdomen would have shattered her right hip bone, which would have been "incapacitating" for moving about.

Photographs of Steenkamp's wounds were not shown to the gallery, but only to the judge and court assessors.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:01 pm

12:46 - All reporters in court now telling about how OP is constantly retching while Saayman gives evidence. Roux says it won't stop but tells court to carry on.
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12:42- Judge now hears repeated retching by OP and stops evidence to inquire about him, says Crawford.
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12:39 - OP still making regular loud retching noises, appears to be vomitting as details of post mortem are read out, says Alex Crawford.
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12:34 - To clarify: We can tell you, for instance, what OP's doing in court right now. We can't tell you what Saayman is saying while testifying though. Not now.  
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12:32 - David Smith has quoted Judge Masipa as saying: When I referred to Twitter, I failed to refer to blogging as well. Twitter is not allowed, blogging is not allowed.
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12:24 - Oscar is throwing up. He's been dry-heaving every time Reeva's body is mentioned, according to News24's Sipho Hlongwane who is in court.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:33 pm

@Freckles:

I don't know how he was able to carry a fan (or two fans) from the balcony into the bedroom if he was not wearing his prosthetic legs. Samantha Taylor, his ex-girlfriend, said on the stand that he can walk without them, "but he has to lean against something".

With regard to "the dry heaving drama", I think it is obvious that it was a plot to get the attention away from the evidence that was presented to the court by the Pathologist who performed the autopsy of Reeva Steenkamp.


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 9:52 pm

Pistorius vomits during graphic testimony

Posted: Mar 10, 2014 5:25 AM CDT
Updated: Mar 10, 2014 3:53 PM CDT


By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and GERALD IMRAY
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PRETORIA, South Africa (AP) - Hunched over, vomiting into a bucket by his feet and retching loudly, Oscar Pistorius was vividly reminded at his murder trial Monday of the gruesome injuries he inflicted on his girlfriend when a pathologist described how the Olympian fatally shot her multiple times with bullets designed to cause maximum damage.

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Saayman methodically listed the extent of the three main gunshot wounds Steenkamp suffered on Valentine's Day last year when she was shot by the double-amputee runner in the right side of the head, the right hip and the right arm through a toilet cubicle door.

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Through the sounds of Pistorius retching in the dock, the pathologist testified that he was able to identify the ammunition from a bullet fragment lodged at the bottom of Steenkamp's skull. The bullets were designed to expand on impact and cause severe damage.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:19 pm



Reeva Steenkamp

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:35 am

AS IT HAPPENED - Pistorius trial, day 6, part 2
2014-03-10 13:45

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14:36- No, OP's vomiting hasn't stopped. Saayman is still on the stand.

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Post by Freckles on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:04 am

AD reported:

7:44: " ....The wound that caused the most damage, according to Saayman's testimony, appeared to have been the one to Steenkamp's head, caused seemingly by a bullet traveling on a downwards trajectory from the top of her head towards the base of her skull, ...."

8:52: " ... she was shot by the double-amputee runner in the right side of the head, the right hip and the right arm through a toilet cubicle door...."

It sure sounds to me as if he knew she was in the toilet stall area;
he did have his legs on;
he shot downward into a the head of a seated Reeva.

I found it odd OP went out to bring back TWO fans from the deck.
That tells me it was either very hot and they were wanting to blow the air out of the home rather than circulate it into the home from the cooler morning air. Have they no air conditioning?

The open bathroom window:
Why would a man leave a ladder up against the outside of his home IF he was afraid of intruders? And why would he leave a window open next to the ladder?

Much of the alibi OP gave to the LEOs just appears to be a pack of lies...It makes no sense at all. And knowing he has just shot Reeva, WHY would he toss her over his shoulder and try to carry her down a flight of stairs??? Could it be.... he just wanted to "muddy" the crime scene?

I am rather cynical of his story.
He disgusts me as he appears to act like a spoiled and petulant child... and that is not becoming on an adult. He has violated the laws of his country regarding gun ownership, ammunition type, discharging of his weapon (as playful as it might be) and asking others to carry responsibility for him. His attitude re his responsibility is no different, IMO, than George Zimmerman....
The two will justify until they are blue in the face....
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:23 am


I have not been watching this trial but thought I'd watch it for several minutes now. Can't find a link to a "Live Stream." I guess I'll have to go to page 1.

I don't know if this has been posted already but in my efforts to find a Link to a "Live" stream, I came across this page full of things about OP's trial. There is no "live" stream on this page though . . . that I could find.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/oscar%20pistorius%20trial%20live
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:24 am


If anyone is up and watching a live stream of the OP trial, I would appreciate a Link.

Thanks in advance.
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:37 am


I still have not found a "live" stream of the OP trial. I guess it is not being streamed at this time.

I found this page. It appears to be archived videos of the trial. I don't know for sure though since I've not been following this trial daily.

http://new.livestream.com/wildabouttrial/events/2811169
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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:26 am


Well . . . the reason I could not find a "live" stream earlier was because it was too early in Africa and the trial was not streaming.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:16 am



Oscar Pistorius Trial: Tuesday 11 March 2014, Session 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwGGOv6GmO8&list=TLo9bx0T3givQzjhOni3-XXv_By-t5XfF_




Oscar Pistorius Trial: Tuesday 11 March 2014, Session 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poIzMRczcpM&list=TLiVn-JIgPBJrNfv7DZiN-Qnq2bchNwlpq




Oscar Pistorius Trial: Tuesday 11 March 2014, Session 3

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:25 am



Pistorius had fired a gun through the sunroof of the car: Darren Fresco

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Published March 11, 2014

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:39 am

10.15 Roux is grilling Fresco on his witness statement. Roux sounds surprised at Fresco's admission that he has not re-read his statement before appearing in court today.

He wants to know why Fresco did not say he was asked to lie on Pistorius' behalf.

"I can't tell you why I did not say that.  

But what I can tell you is that my version is the truth.
"  

10.11 Roux is asking Fresco about the incident in the restaurant.

Fresco said the wife of the restaurant owner came to the table.

Roux says the court has heard that the husband came first.

Fresco insists:

"If my memory serves to remind me, it is that the wife came to our table first."  

10.10 Now Barry Roux, the lawyer for Pistorius, is questioning Darren Fresco.

10.07 Gerrie Nel, the prosecutor, is asking about any damage from the shooting.

Fresco says that shrapnel - perhaps a broken tile, or the bullet itself - grazed the shin of Kevin Lerena, a boxer who was dining with them.

Fresco says he willingly agreed to take the blame.

The restaurant owner's wife came over and Fresno apologised.

10.03 Fresco tells how Pistorius pulled the trigger.

More ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10689058/Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial-March-11-as-it-happened.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:48 am

Friend: Pistorius shot gun in car, cafe

Updated: March 11, 2014, 10:14 AM ET

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PRETORIA, South Africa -- A friend of Oscar Pistorius testified in the Olympian's murder trial Tuesday that the athlete twice fired guns in incidents the double-amputee denies.

Both events took place before Pistorius shot dead his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Feb. 14, 2013.

~Snipped~

When the car Fresco was driving was stopped for speeding in late 2012, Pistorius argued with a police officer who handled his gun, which Pistorius had left on the passenger's seat.

"'You can't just touch another man's gun,'" Fresco recalled Pistorius telling the traffic officer. "Now your fingerprints are all over my gun. So if something happens, you're going to be liable for anything that happens."

Fresco said the altercation with the police ended and they drove away with Samantha Taylor, the runner's girlfriend at the time, who has given a similar account of the episode. Later that day, Pistorius shot out the car's sunroof, Fresco said.

"Without prior warning, he shot out the sunroof," Fresco, who was driving, said of Pistorius, who he said was in the passenger seat.

Fresco said he "instinctively" moved over to the right side of the vehicle and away from where the gun was shot, then asked Pistorius if he was "mad."

"He just laughed," Fresco testified. "But it felt as if my ear was already bleeding."

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:56 am

AS IT HAPPENED: Pistorius trial, day 7, part 1

2014-03-11 09:39

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Oscar_Pistorius/Live/LIVE-UPDATES-Oscar-Pistorius-trial-day-7-part-1-20140311-2

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AS IT HAPPENED: Oscar Trial, Day 7, Part 2

2014-03-11 14:02

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Oscar_Pistorius/Live/LIVE-UPDATES-Oscar-Trial-Day-7-Part-2-20140311
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:16 am

OSCAR PISTORIOUS MURDER TRIAL - LIVE STREAM

LINKS:

The Telegraph - Watch live: Oscar Pistorius murder trial

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10689058/Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial-March-11-as-it-happened.html


The Guardian - Oscar Pistorius trial - live stream

Full coverage of the trial of South African athlete for murder of girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, in Pretoria last year

http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2014/mar/03/reeva-steenkamp-oscar-pistorius-trial-live-stream


Mediaite - Oscar Pistorius Trial LIVE VIDEO

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-live-here-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-day-7/


WPTV  West Palm Beach - Live video from the Oscar Pistorius murder trial

http://www.wptv.com/oscar-pistorius-trial


eNCA - Oscar Pistorius Trial LIVE

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:33 am

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Pros attempting to refute OP's story bit by bit: RS DID scream, did not go to bed at 10pm and was awake longer before shots

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius But note pathologist can't testify on if RS DID scream, what order of shots were. Order possible through ballistics later

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius So we back to order of shots. Critical: If evidence arm/hip shot first, RS likely screamed, OP likely knew she was there

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Regarding RS screaming, and the arm shot, pathologist says would be somewhat abnormal if one does not scream with this wound

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius The RS food argument: OP says in bed at 10pm that night. Prosecution: No. She ate 2 hrs before death (which was 3am

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius And finally pros gets from pathologist food still there during autopsy a day after shooting: Fresher, eaten closer to death?

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Pros reinforces from pathologist: 1. Screaming poss during shots, 2. RS may have urinated, awake, 30m - 1hr before death

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Roux establishes from path. for defense that are variations in food digestion, and RS could have eaten longer before death

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Prof. did autopsy on RS on Feb. 15. Day later, some digestion carried on, and food still there = She ate close to death?

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius As soon as I say that, Nel starts asking about wounds again, OP holds head in hands

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius So, Roux saying if don't know % of food left, don't know size of meal, therefore she may have ate earlier, poss a big meal

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Pathologist says doesn't know percentage of food that remained in RS body. Ie how big the meal she ate was. He can't tell

Gerald Imray ‏@GeraldImrayAP  · 6h  
#OscarPistorius Pathologist points out 6 hours after food means all stomachs empty. 4 hours means most stomachs empty

More ...

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:41 am

Oscar Pistorius Trial Day 7: Bullet sequence may ultimately decide Blade Runner's fate

By Nastasya Tay
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PRETORIA, South Africa – It would have been "abnormal" for Reeva Steenkamp not to scream while she was being shot, says the pathologist who conducted her autopsy, provided she had not yet received the head wound that knocked her out.

Pathologist Gert Saayman said Steenkamp would have been able to "rationally conduct" herself despite other wounds until her boyfriend, Paralympian Oscar Pistorius, shot her in the head on Valentine's morning last year.

A major point of contention in the trial will be the order in which the bullets Pistorius fired hit Steenkamp, as prosecution witnesses have insisted they discerned female screaming during and prior to the "bangs" they heard.

The athlete, in his account of events, is adamant that Steenkamp made no verbal sound while she was behind the locked toilet door, so he mistook her for an intruder.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:45 am

Oscar Pistorius trial: Defence questions pathologist claims

Published on Mar 11, 2014
7:43 PM


PRETORIA (AFP) - Oscar Pistorius's defence lawyers on Tuesday probed a pathologist's explosive testimony that Reeva Steenkamp ate hours before she was killed, a claim that again put the Paralympian's version of events in doubt.

Forensic pathologist Gert Saayman told the murder trial - now in its second week - that Pistorius's girlfriend ate at about 1:00 am, roughly two hours before her Valentine's Day death last year.

That contradicts the South African star sprinter's claim that the pair were in bed asleep in his upmarket Johannesburg home for five hours before Ms Steenkamp was killed.

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Post by Ann - Tx on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:51 am


Ales, thanks for the "live stream" links! I knew you would know who is "live streaming" the OP trial.

Wow! You rock, Ales. You have really kept this thread updated; Freckles too. Thanks . . . even though I'm not following this trial closely.

Every few days or so, maybe you could bump that comment box (the one with the Links).
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:59 am

Oscar Pistorius shot gun out of car without warning, judge hears
 
By Richard Allen Greene and Marie-Louise Gumuchian, CNN
March 11, 2014 -- Updated 1537 GMT (2337 HKT)

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Pathologist back on stand

Earlier, Pistorius' defense team questioned pathologist Gert Saayman's finding that Steenkamp had eaten less than two hours before she died, which contradicts the athlete's account that they had been in bed for several hours before the shooting.

The testimony is key because Pistorius said he and Steenkamp ate several hours earlier, which means her stomach likely would have been empty at the time of the shooting.

Saayman, however, held tight to his estimate.

Saayman also told the court on Monday that Steenkamp had been shot three times, in the head, hip and arm. If she had been shot in the hip or arm first, she would have been able to scream, he said.

"I think it would be somewhat abnormal if one did not scream" when receiving a wound like Steenkamp's arm wound, Saayman told the prosecution.

Neighbors said they heard a woman screaming before the shots were fired, but defense lawyers argue that Pistorius was the only one who screamed.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:02 pm

Ann - Tx wrote:
Ales, thanks for the "live stream" links!  I knew you would know who is "live streaming" the OP trial.

Wow!  You rock, Ales.   You have really kept this thread updated; Freckles too.  Thanks . . . even though I'm not following this trial closely.

Every few days or so, maybe you could bump that comment box (the one with the Links).

Hi Ann,

I will bump the comment box with the links to the live feeds, I might add other links to it.

You are very welcome!  Very Happy
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:12 pm

The Oscar Pitorius Trial

Live from the Oscar Pistorius trial day 7 with EWN's Barry Bateman

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http://new.livestream.com/ewn/OscarPistoriusTrial/videos/44831900
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:49 pm

Oscar Pistorius trial: Live streaming coverage - Defense fails to shake pathologist's testimony

By: Richard Allen Greene and Ed Payne, CNN
Posted: Mar 11, 2014
Updated: 6 hours ago



Oscar Pistorius arrives inside North Gauteng High Court for the third day of his trial accused of the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on March 5, 2014 in Pretoria, South Africa. Picture ByChristopher Furlong

PRETORIA, South Africa (CNN) -- The defense failed to poke many holes in the testimony of a pathologist who cast doubt on the time line of events Oscar Pistorius said led up to the death of his girlfriend.

Gert Saayman held tight Tuesday to his estimate that Reeva Steenkamp ate two hours before her death.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:00 pm

NEWS24

ARTICLES RELATING TO OSCAR PISTORIUS

2014-03-11 16:28

http://www.news24.com/Tags/People/oscar_pistorius
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Post by Freckles on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:47 pm

Nice info coming out of court today.

Logically, one WOULD scream in pain IF a bullet had entered their body.The bullet entering her arm with so much destruction as to break the bone would suffice, IMO.

IF she had been shot first in the head there would be no screams.
OP says they were his (which I doubt but let us leave that for a minute.) IF she had FIRST been shot in the head, would she have been capable of raising her arm/hand in an attempt to protect herself? I think not. The nerve centers would have been severed so the intentional action could not have happened. She could not have raised an arm that distance and held it there long enough to have a second bullet penetrate thru the arm.

The head wound had to have been last.
The gun was fired striking her.
She screamed in pain and perhaps anger.
She was then shot thru the head.

Let's see.
She went to get a bite to eat or snack on about 2 hours before she died.That puts it @ 1:30.
He brings in two fans.
He goes to bed. Says she was next to him in bed.
(Other gfs have stated he never slept on the side he supposedly slept on with Reeva. They also said his gun was never kept under the bed but was on the nightstand near him.)
He hears a noise, grabs the gun from under the bed,  and does NOT check to see if his partner is the one making the noise?

I call BS...

As crude as it may seem, since she was murdered on Valentine's Day, I am guessing OP may have had "romantic plans" and was rebuffed. The rebuffing angered him.  He exacted his anger on her.

From link above:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10689058/Oscar-Pistorius-murder-trial-March-11-as-it-happened.html

" ...The head shot would be, however, in a "different league" and immediately cut her ability to react. ..."
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:10 am

The Oscar Pistorius murder trial Day 8

TimesLIVE, Tymon Smith, Graeme Hosken, Sapa, AFP and Reuters | 12 March, 2014 09:36


A policeman demonstrates the effect of hitting of a bathroom door with a cricket bat during the trial of South African Paralympic athlete Oscar Pistorius in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria.
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PISTORIUS FORENSICS UNDER FIRE - Sapa

A large splinter of wood was missed when forensic analysts were re-assembling the door Oscar Pistorius fired shots through, killing his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, the High Court in Pretoria heard on Wednesday.

Under cross-examination by Barry Roux, SC, for Pistorius at his murder trial, police forensic analyst Colonel Johannes Vermeulen said at first that he did not know what happened to the missing wood splinters.

He was then shown a picture of the door, with a piece of wood, described in court as a splinter, lying on a pile of plastic next to the door in the picture.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:16 am

Oscar Pistorius trial, day eight - in tweets

Live updates as door from athlete’s home is displayed in court along with partial reconstruction of toilet cubicle during Olympic and Paralympic star’s trial for the murder of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp

David Smith
theguardian.com, Wednesday 12 March 2014 03.33 EDT




David Smith @SmithInAfrica

Roux: "Am I right that in the forensics department at that time there were some qualified tool mark examiners?" Vermeulen: "That is correct"

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:27 am



Oscar Pistorius Trial: Wednesday 12 March 2014, Session 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiKK3vA9XpQ&list=TL82pa2VUuzPmjQWRDGE5G1us8Hy4-pfNk




Oscar Pistorius Trial: Wednesday 12 March 2014, Session 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKRZIuBxLc&list=TLsbEOfNXHyS90Oga_fF_84ahRFGVZ9xUh




Oscar Pistorius Trial: Wednesday 12 March 2014, Session 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXoq6o_tH_8&list=TLApSbMnPeK0cKwHEnDqkaYZd8ITdkqGUM
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Chriselda Lewis updates on the Oscar Pistorius trial day 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r__YyT905UU&list=UU8yH-uI81UUtEMDsowQyx1g
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