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#OscarTrial Vergeer admits OP armed himself with intention to shoot.....
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Nel: "Are you saying the accused accepts the court's finding?" Vergeer: "The accused has respect for the court's finding." #Pistorius
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:37 am

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Vergeer clearly irritated by Nel questioning her about Pistorius account of shooting. She says she relied in court's judgment @eNCAnews


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Nel: but you also have to take note of the seriousness of the offence? Vergeer: that is correct @eNCAnews


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#OscarTrial Judge asks Vergeer to listen to the questions or she 'may spend days on this witness stand'


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Nel and Vergeer lock horns. Nel: did you take the degree of negligence into account. Vergeer: I'm not a legal expert. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:40 am

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Nel: degree of negligence should have been taken into account. Vergeer agrees but adds "for the purpose of the court".
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:47 am

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#OscarTrial Nel wants to know if Vergeer took in account that the toilet door was locked and 4 shots rather than 1 were fired. She says yes


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Nel asks Vergeer about her testimony that she saw images of Reeva's body, the damage done. Vergeer: yes, it was terrible

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Vergeer took into account the 9 calibre weapon amd black talon ammunition.


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Vergeer says she hasn't been able to speak to Reeva's family directly, but not for want of trying



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Vergeer says she can't ignore trauma suffered by Reeva's family.


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Vergeer: Oscar Pistorius has made the best of what he has within his abilities. It's not as we perceive from outside
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:54 am

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Vergeer: Oscar Pistorius has made the best of what he has within his abilities. It's not as we perceive from outside

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Vergeer says OP was able to control his circumstances and was able to cope with his disability.



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Vergeer: how can you say that Oscar Pistorius won't be exposed to rape? Without legs he will be vulnerable

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Vergeer talks of disabled #OscarPistorius vulnerability in prison - showering, bandaging legs each day, risk prostheses would be taken etc.


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Vergeer: OP's stumps need to be bandaged and cleaned. Hygiene compliance in prison may be difficult.


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#OscarTrial Vergeer laughs at suggestion from Nel that a court order be made instructing his prosthetic legs are not taken away in jail
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:59 am

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Prison Authorities have 6 hours to assess disabled prisoners needs, must not take away prosthetics . Not always complied with.

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#OscarTrial Vergeer gives eg: she obtained order that diabetic prisoner have pills. 'A week later he was dead'. No pills provided

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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:13 am

Nel stated the entire report submitted by witness was askew.
Said she went from the concept of overpopulation to lack of services, to a whole prison population while some areas are overpopulated while the (handicapped section) is not overpopulated.

She asks why we put people in prison when why could be released back into society as they are not a threat? She feels therapy is only available to certain types of prisoners and she feels is wrong to imprison while other community services are available. She is a social worker. She IS paid NOT from public funds but from the defense. She is not personally aware of this but got her info for her report from the internet....but she did not provide an internet addy; that will be provided to the court. She stated she formed an opinion based upon infor from the web site; she got other info from there as well.

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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:29 am

Comment section at youtube:

Buck Necked
Judge erred - OP: "too hot to sleep, guess I'll turn OFF the fans ('she must have left behind me')." Stalked down hall screaming "get out" twice (rcvd "no answer"). Vic had phone behind locked door.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2BJTpLEt7O7zPu-8lpEaye8Os6chwX8G&v=dbyHs7UAL-c#t=6377
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:59 am

On Annette Vergeer, social worker, defense:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL2BJTpLEt7O7zPu-8lpEaye8Os6chwX8G&v=dbyHs7UAL-c#t=6377

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loool looks what this skunk like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/annette.vergeer.7


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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:19 am

They are back. My puter is giving me problems.

Apparently, OP has been paying monthly to Reeva's family.
Nel has stated ALL the money will be returned to him!
I know I had read Reeva had been sending money to her parents so they could make a go at it and then her Dad had the heart attack....
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Vergeer recommended that "Sunday Rapist" Jaco Steyn get correctional supervision for sexually assaulting 3 teen


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#OscarTrial #Vergeer does not know or remember what she recommended in the #JubJub case

(He was convicted of murder of 4. She is uncooperative; she states she put it all before the court. Her opinion leaned toward community service.)

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Here we go. Nel brings up Vergeer's report that Jub Jub get correctional supervision
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:49 am

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Vergeer adamant that correctional services cannot assure Oscar Pistorius'a safety in jail.
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:50 am

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#OscarTrial Nel suggests Vergeer would ask every other of her 'cases' what their post-trial plans are..but she didnt do that in OP's case
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Nel says Vergeer sniggered. "Do you think that's appropriate?" She counters, and asks if his questioning style is appropriate.
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Vergeer apologises for laughing, denies her behavior meant to be disrespectful

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Vergeer admits her research in prison was 10 years ago.

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Vergeer says she goes to various prisons around the country, but has only been inside one - at Krugersdorp.
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:56 am

Payments to Reeva;s parents:


Vergeer says OP legal team told her that he'd been paying Reeva parents monthly amount

Vergeer says OP sold his car and asked that money be given to lawyers for Reeva's parents if they wanted it

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Vergeer admits she was told Reeva parents rejected R370000 from Oscar



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Nel says the monthly payments made to Reeva's family will be paid back in full
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:05 am

Until tomorrow....
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:08 am

@Freckles:

Thank you for all the updates!
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:48 am

Oscar Pistorius cast as a 'poor victim' in hope of lenient sentence, claim prosecution in hearing over Reeva Steenkamp killing

. Oscar Pistorius is awaiting sentence for killing Reeva Steenkamp
. Pistorius is being portrayed as a 'poor victim', says prosecution
. Prison would 'break' the athlete, claims social worker called as a witness
. Several days of testimony expected before judge reaches decision
. Pistorius could get maximum sentence of 15 years in prison
. Paralympic athlete was convicted of manslaughter during trial last month
. Pistorius shot his girlfriend four times on Valentine's Day last year  
. Athlete described as showing 'genuine remorse and pain' over killing


By Pa Reporter

Published: 04:36 EST, 14 October 2014  | Updated: 08:28 EST, 14 October 2014

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2792081/oscar-pistorius-cast-poor-victim-claims-prosecution-sentencing-hearing-reeva-steenkamp-killing.html#ixzz3G7vayl7p
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:59 am

Oscar Pistorius sentencing: Recap of updates as athlete back in court for Day Two of sentencing

Oct 14, 2014 14:26  |  By Steve Robson
 
The hearing in Pretoria continues as prosecutors argue he must be jailed

~Snipped~


8:50 am

Gerrie Nel continues to question Pistorius' manager Peet van Zyl.

He is being questioned about an email he sent blaming the media for a loss of Pistorius' charity work.

"These platforms are all taken away by the state and the media," it reads apparently.

"Why do you blame the state for doing their job? The only inference I can make is that you view  Pistorius as the victim," says Nel.


8:55 am

Van Zyl now being asked about the doctorate Pistorius has been given by the University of Strathclyde.

He says it was because of his work with prosthetics.

Nel says that's not what was said during the awards ceremony.

Nel argues Pistorius was given the doctorate for his sporting achievements.


Oscar Pistorius, holds his scroll after receiveing his honorary doctorate from Strathclyde University in the Barony Hall.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/oscar-pistorius-sentencingrecap-updates-athlete-4433580#ixzz3G7xayKZq
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:06 am

Oscar Pistorius Started Paying Reeva Steenkamp’s Family After Killing

Agent Puts Amount at About $600 a Month


By Matina Stevis
Updated Oct. 14, 2014 9:24 a.m. ET

PRETORIA, South Africa— Oscar Pistorius started paying Reeva Steenkamp ’s family a monthly allowance shortly after he shot her dead on Valentine’s Day 2013, a witness said Tuesday.

Probation officer Annette Vergeer was hired by Mr. Pistorius’s defense team to testify in court proceedings to determine the paralympian’s sentence, which entered their second day Tuesday. Ms. Vergeer said the monthly payment for 6,000 South African rand (about $600).

Ms. Vergeer admitted under cross-examination that she was testifying in her “private capacity” and for money.

Mr. Pistorius’s agent, Peet van Zyl, said outside court that the payments to Ms. Steenkamp’s family started in March 2013, just weeks after the killing.

The prosecution said that Ms. Steenkamp’s family intends to repay the money, and that her mother, June Steenkamp, had earlier rejected a 375,000 rand lump sum from Mr. Pistorius as “blood money.”


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:25 am

RELATED ARTICLE:

Pistorius trial: The final days

OPINION -  Monday 13 October 2014 - 2:39pm  - by Greg Nicolson

“I don't think they'll send him to jail,” says one waiter outside a Braamfontein cafe on Sunday. Why? “Bribery.”

“There are many black people in prison with wheelchairs so if they [don't send him to jail because of his disability] they must release them too,” says his colleague.

After a marathon trial that last month found Oscar Pistorius guilty of culpable homicide for shooting his model girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp and for negligently handling a firearm in Tasha's restaurant, the former athlete returns to the Pretoria High Court on Monday for sentencing. Judge Thokozile Masipa could send Pistorius to jail for a lengthy period or he could avoid jail completely with a suspended sentence.

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Stan, a 24-year-old entrepreneur who didn't want his surname mentioned, and 20-year-old creative Tshepiso Tshabalala are discussing the case in a nearby bar. “I believe he killed this girl,” says Stan. “I'm not gonna lie; if it was a black guy, even a rich one, he'd be [found] guilty.” Stan did not believe Pistorius's defence and says that if he doesn't go to jail for culpable homicide, he also believes bribery has been involved.

The accusation of bribery and related jokes were frequent after the verdict was delivered but there's no evidence to even remotely suggest it has occurred and is extremely unlikely. However, it suggests a deep distrust of the justice system stemming from the country's social divides, inequalities and common lack of accountability for public figures seen as guilty of wrongdoing.

“It's time they just put this guy in jail. Let's just say this,” says Stan.

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http://www.enca.com/opinion/pistorius-trial-final-days
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:46 am

Oscar Pistorius potential 'victim of gang rape' if sent to prison

Probation officer Annette Vergeer, appearing at the sentencing of the former Paralympian for the defence, says prison would "break" Pistorius

By Erin Conway-Smith, Pretoria
12:52PM BST 14 Oct 2014


Oscar Pistorius should not go to jail because the overcrowded conditions of South African prisons would leave him vulnerable to gang rape and disease, a court has heard during arguments over the Paralympian's sentence.

Probation officer Annette Vergeer described the dangers of drugs, gangs and sodomy in the country's prisons, which she said are poorlyequipped for disabled people.

Ms Vergeer also warned of the risks of transmission of Aids, tuberculosis and other diseases, due to overcrowding and poor sanitation.

Prison would "break" Pistorius, and "take away his future," she said, adding: "How can we say Pistorius will not be a victim of gang rape?"

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/11161522/Oscar-Pistorius-potential-victim-of-gang-rape-if-sent-to-prison.html
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:23 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:@Freckles:

Thank you for all the updates!

I second that!  Thank you!  
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:22 pm

Welcome all!

I am sharing a general fb page which lists many stories.
After that, posting a few I found of high interest.

https://www.facebook.com/topic/Oscar-Pistorius/108406542516296?source=whfrt&position=1&trqid=6070157545157413450


Oscar Pistorius Offered Money to Reeva Steenkamp's Family: Witness
(34.000 $)

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pistorius-trial/oscar-pistorius-offered-money-reeva-steenkamps-family-witness-n225116?cid=sm_fb_20141014_33601527

Pistorius Should Serve 3 Years' House Arrest, Prison Official Says


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/13/355832292/pistorius-should-serve-3-years-house-arrest-prison-official-says?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=2037
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:27 pm

"A probation officer employed by the defense team for Oscar Pistorius recommended Tuesday that he be spared a prison term for the killing of his girlfriend, arguing that appalling jail conditions including overcrowding, gang rape, violence, drugs, AIDS and poor hygiene would be devastating to the South African Olympic athlete."

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-oscar-pistorius-sentencing-20141014-story.html
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Post by Freckles on Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:30 pm

".... Oscar Pistorius should mop floors two days a month for the next three years to pay for killing his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, a state official testifying for the defense recommended Monday.

The “shockingly inappropriate” recommendation, along with house arrest, was offered up Monday as a sentence for the Olympian's conviction of culpable homicide as witnesses testified at the North Gauteng High Court....."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/oscar-pistorius-sentence-culpable-homicide-conviction-debated-court-article-1.1972370
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:11 pm

Freckles wrote:"....  Oscar Pistorius should mop floors two days a month for the next three years to pay for killing his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, a state official testifying for the defense recommended Monday.

The “shockingly inappropriate” recommendation, along with house arrest, was offered up Monday as a sentence for the Olympian's conviction of culpable homicide as witnesses testified at the North Gauteng High Court....."


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/oscar-pistorius-sentence-culpable-homicide-conviction-debated-court-article-1.1972370

Seriously?  Is that how little they value human life?  Wow.  Just disgusting.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:55 pm



South Africa's prison system is in disarray: Annette Vergeer 

SABC Digital News

Published on Oct 14, 2014
South Africa's prison system is in disarray. This, according to a report by probation officer Annette Vergeer. Vergeer testified during Oscar Pistorius' sentencing proceedings that South Africa's jails are ill-equipped to accommodate disabled prisoners. She told the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria that the athlete should not face jail time. Pistorius was convicted of culpable homicide last month for killing his girlfriend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtO57st2Djo&feature=youtu.be

(The prosecutor ripped apart her testimony during cross-examination)
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Oscar Pistorius Pre-Sentencing Arguments: Tuesday 14 October 2014, Session 1

SABC Digital News

Streamed live on Oct 14, 2014
State prosecutor Gerrie Nel continue to cross-examine Petrus van Zyl, the former manager of Oscar Pistorius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM8lwX3pHnI&index=3&list=PLyxkBFYMs1vz9__Y-rCwab-htixelEcqS




Oscar Pistorius Pre-Sentencing Arguments: Tuesday 14 October 2014, Session 2  

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Streamed live on Oct 14, 2014
The State in the Oscar Pistorius trial says the convicted killer is not as generous and kind as his former manager portrays him as being. Peet Van Zyl was under cross-examination by Prosecutor Gerrie Nel after testifying in mitigation of sentence. On Monday, Van Zyl told the North Gauteng High Court about a lot of work that Pistorius has done for Unicef and other charities around the world including individuals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa1VOGSdqQY&list=PLyxkBFYMs1vz9__Y-rCwab-htixelEcqS
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:34 pm

Famous Killers Don't Go To Prison: The Oscar Pistorius Story

Written By: Smriti Sinha
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October 14, 2014 | 1:40 PM  

The first day of Oscar Pistorius' sentencing hearing saw one of the defense witnesses argue that cleaning a museum for 16 hours a month would be suitable punishment for someone being tried for culpable homicide. Witnesses who followed on the second day argued that jail would be inappropriate for the double-amputee Olympic runner because his mental health would deteriorate and he'd be uncomfortable managing his prosthetics behind bars.

The South African athlete's trial for killing his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp last year on Valentine's Day is in its judgement stage in Pretoria and his defense is making the case to keep him out of prison. While this is a predictable and understandable thing for the Pistorius defense team to be doing, the situation is becoming a theater of the bizarre in light of the real possibility that Pistorius will walk away from this trial with nothing more than a glorified slap on the wrist as his punishment.

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Clearly, the arguments to keep him out of prison are taking full advantage of his favored status as an athlete and possible complications stemming from his physical disability—none of which should be primary considerations in a murder trial. Another supposed mitigating factor is his body of charitable work—proof, according to the defense, of a man valuable to his community. The question all this raises is a simple one: Can good character go so far as to save someone from prison when their crime comes at the cost of a human life?

The answer to that question will determine whether Pistorius ever gets to compete on the track again. Regardless, the International Paralympic Committee, the South African Sports Confederation, and the Olympic Committee, have all agreed that he can still represent South Africa. For Pistorius at least, it seems a murder trial may end up being little more than an inconvenience.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:38 pm

Steenkamp family rejected £21K ‘blood money’ from Pistorius, court hears

Oscar Pistorius offered the family of Reeva Steenkamp £21,000 as compensation for the death of his former girlfriend, a court has heard. But the Steenkamp’s reportedly rejected the payment which they called “blood money” and promised to hand back other payments Pistorius had given them. Pistroius’ probation officer Annette Vergeer revealed details of the payments on the second day of the athlete’s sentencing hearing in Pretoria which was watched by his father Henke and Ms Steenkamp’s mother June. Ms Vergeer said Pistorius had been paying £350 per month to the Steenkamps as a form of maintenance, or compensation, though the payments stopped a while ago.


"He sold his last asset, his motor vehicle and requested the amount be paid into the account of the Steenkamp’s lawyers should they wish to accept the amount. I was informed they did not want the amount of money offered by the accused."

Pistorius’ probation officer Annette Vergeer

Suggesting the athlete was genuinely remorseful for the killing, she told the court he sold one of his cars for £21,274 and offered it to the Steenkamps as a lump sum. Pistorius, 27, was cleared of murdering his former girlfriend but found guilty of culpable homicide - the equivalent of manslaughter in the UK. The double-amputee Olympian could receive a fine and a suspended jail sentence or as many as 15 years in prison for the convictions. The hearing continues tomorrow.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:15 pm

The “ruined lives” of Oscar Pistorius and Ched Evans: why do men matter more than women?

The narrative of the fallen abuser is all too familiar: the ruined life that matters is the man’s rather than the woman he raped, hit or killed.

by Frances Ryan Published 14 October, 2014 - 11:05

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http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/10/ruined-lives-oscar-pistorius-and-ched-evans-why-do-men-matter-more-women

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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:31 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial



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Reeva's close friend Gina Myers, Steenkamp family representative Kim Martens also potential state witnesses - as is Sam Taylor's mom Trish.
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Only state witness there is certainty on is correctional services official James Smalberger.

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Looks like state may call two individuals involved in Pistorius night club incident. No certainty yet


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Nel is going to call 3 or 4 witnesses. He's asking for an early lunch, and court to resume at 1pm.

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Roux: when we were told that Reeva parents didn't want the money, we offered to put it in trust account so there if they reconsidered


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Roux: money paid from Oscar to Reeva parents was paid unconditionally. He doesn't want it back


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Vergeer says Pistorius detention in police cells post shooting was a ”shock and an eye opener” to him

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State will call senior correctional services official James Smalberger to testify.

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Nel brings in the Dewani extradition case. The SA gov won the case, UK court accepted SA courts were safe.

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Nel: I put it to you that your report is not informed by any facts. Have you followed the Shrien Dewani case?
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:41 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial

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Vergeer: I don't think people dispute that sex in jail is daily occurrence. There is no privacy


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Vergeer: people are exposed to rape in prison.


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Vergeer: "The condoms would not be applicable to everybody in the prison... It's not a problem, it's a fact, that's why I mentioned it."


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Nel: there are condoms in government buildings. Why is it a problem when available in jail?


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Nel asks why Vergeer is against condoms being available in prison. "Are you against consensual homosexual sex?"


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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:49 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial


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Nel: Oscar Pistorius is not a victim. Vergeer: I never said that.


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Nel: He's a broken person because of what he did… we have to weigh that up against a broken family…


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Nel asks Vergeer about her claim that correctional services don't have facilities to treat OP. Why do you say that?he asks "


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Vergeer: Should he be pushed on slippery floors, he will be more vulnerable than a person in a wheelchair.


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Vergeer: But then again, we could ask why should this accused be treated differently?


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Vergeer says Pistorius can also work at police station as part of community service No


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Nel: for correctional supervision to be effective, the person should be taken out of their comfort zone.

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Vergeer: The sentence must "serve a purpose".


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Vergeer: we can't satisfy public opinion. Because even as we are sitting here, people are divided


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Nel trying to show that Vergeer only supports prison for people perceived to be threats to society. She denies this


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Nel points out that not only dangerous people go to jail. Lawyers who defraud people go to jail.


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.@eNCAnews Nel: "Taking a life is a serious offence and sentences should indicate to society that human life is valued"

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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:51 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial


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Vergeer: look at Mandoza, he didn't go to jail. It can't be generalized that all culpable homicide cases end with imprisonment

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Nel: society demands that if you kill someone, there should be a harsh punishment. Vergeer: I can't dispute that...
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:53 am

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Vergeer says imprisoning Pistorius would mean he couldn't continue with his psychological therapy


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Nel: So if any accused is undergoing psychological treatment, you will have to advise they don't to go prison as the treatment will stop? Cool
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:00 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial

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Martin: after school, Reeva started dating with a jockey. It was a very very emotionally abusive relationship


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Martin: Reeva studied law. She got a bursary


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#PistoriusTrial They sent Reeva to an all girls convent school. 'she was a v hard worker, v meticulous, neat and tidy, took school seriously


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Martin: June always worked, doing "something on the side". She opened a spaza shop for the stable hands.


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Barrry Steenkamp is wiping way tears while Kim speaks about her cousin

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Martin says Reeva's parents always battled financially

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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:07 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial

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Oscar Pistorius is tears

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Reeva's break up with Warren Lahoud happened in July 2012 - months before she met Oscar Pistorius

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#PistoriusTrial The break-up with Warren was v traumatic and she told her cousin 'it was like divorce'




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Martin: Reeva broke up with Warren because she wanted kids and he didn't.

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Martin details Reeva's relationship with Warren Lahoud. "He treated her very well, Reeva loved him as well"

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Martin: Reeva wasn't happy in Johannesburg. She said modeling industry was cut throat and false. Her relationship was coming to end.

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Martin: Reeva paid for her parents medical aid. She lived with Martin for about 6 months.

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Martin: Reeva moved to JHB to get away from her abusive ex and to start over.


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RS took up modelling to put herself "in a position to look after her parents." Gave her first pay check to parents. "Reeva was like that."


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Jockey Wayne Agrella was the man Reeva dated. He's denied that he was abusive to her - and described her as love of his life


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#PistoriusTrial The incident made her 'take stock of life'. She studied law but she felt her 'life could end in split

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RS broke her back in horse riding accident, says Martin. Weeks in traction. Intense recovery procedure.
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:10 am

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Martin: Aunty Junes house was always full of stray animals. She can't say no. June Steenkamp smiles for the first


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Martin says Reeva's parents were very generous, despite financial woes, they made place for people in need

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Martin reveals that Barry Steenkamp lost everything after his stable business collapsed. He then started wood chip business
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:13 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial


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Kim Martin is ready to continue after being comforted. She's chosen to sit in the witness box.


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Court adjourns. #OscarPistorius meanwhile has slumped forward too and is being comforted by his brother.


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Martin: I remember saying to my husband, I hope to God he's cheating on Reeva

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#OscarTrial @reevasteenkamp's father Barry wipes his eyes with scrumpled up white tissue, mother June rests an arm on his shoulde


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#PistoriusTrial Now the day of the shooting: Martin says they were driving to work, in traffic, when they heard on the radio
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:21 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial

Kim Martin, cousin to Reeva, testifying for State:

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Martin: I kept trying to call Reeva. But she wasn't answering

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Martin: "I started screaming and my husband said 'calm down, we don't know anything yet.'


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Martin describes realizing that Reeva was dead. "For me, it was the end of the world"


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#PistoriusTrial Alot of people in the court crying now. Hard listening to this pain


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Martin and her family booked flights to PE immediately. She was worried about how she would face Reeva's parents.

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Martin: we were all like why Reeva?


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Martin: (In PE) "everyone was fighting with each other. It was a horrible time."



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Martin: "My aunt was hysterical. She was being looked after by someone." She was shrugging her shoulders all the time.


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#OscarPistorius is hunched over with gentle sobs, as Kim describes the day of Reeva’s death. June Steenkamp watches, expressionless.



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Martin - it's ruined my whole family. It's ruined Uncle Barry and Auntie June. #OscarPistorius They were so proud of her.



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#PistoriusTrial Martin continues to spit the words out through her tears. She's determined to say this


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#PistoriusTrial Martin's testimony has reduced several to tears - Sam Taylor, her mother Trish, Gina Myers, Kim Myers..all sobbing


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Martin: Barry's health has suffered. He wasn't well to begin with, he's had a couple of strokes because of this


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Martin: One June Steenkamp, "the signs of stress and trauma are obvious."
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:22 am

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Martin says she got Barry and June's blessing to give evidence - "they said I must be Reeva's voice"
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:25 am

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Tears streaming down June Steenkamps face now as court hears how she told Kim Martin to be Reevas voice in court.


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Martin says Barry told her he would "lose it" if he had to testify



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#PistoriusTrial Her children are in therapy and her daughter has even been in institution for youth to help cope


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#PistoriusTrial OP has his head in his hands and he seems to be rocking back and forth slightly


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#PistoriusTrial Kim Martin has missed her daughter's matric drama final. She didnt want to be here but 'I had to be here. I owe it to Reeva.
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:27 am

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Martin: I knew how strongly Reeva felt about women abuse - she wanted to empower women

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For Reeva to have left an abusive relationship and to lend support to abused women program's.... she would have been terrified in OP's bathroom!
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Martin says she met Oscar Pistorius once: for breakfast on 2 January (2013)
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:33 am

2014/10/15 07:30

Court has gone back to Christmas 2012. It was the first Christmas that Reeva wasn't with her family. She also wasn't with Oscar Pistorius.

Said Reeva did NOT spend New Year's Eve with OP; Reeva spent it alone. Same as with Christmas when she couldn't get home.....

IMO, this adds to Reeva/OP NOT madly in love with each other!!!
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Post by Freckles on Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:39 am

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Martin: The restaurants were all full, the orders were wrong. Oscar was getting a bit agitated.

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Martin says she didn't see much affection between Reeva and Pistorius


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Martin says Reeva shrugged when she asked her if she was happy and said "Yes, but we have to talk"

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