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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:09 pm

REPOST:

Does this chilling painting show that Reeva had a premonition of her own death? Heartbroken parents share gunman image as they say model was 'scared' of Pistorius

. Explosive revelations made by model's parents in documentary tonight
. June Steenkamp claimed: 'She was afraid. She was so afraid'
. Mother also revealed model, 29, admitted the pair were arguing frequently
. Tomorrow Pistorius, 26, is due back in court
. Revealed Steenkamp's painting of gunman, angel and a stairway to heaven


By Jill Reilly

Published: 03:03 EST, 3 June 2013  | Updated: 07:43 EST, 4 June 2014

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:20 pm

Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   2h    
"I'm going to build shelters for abused women, raise money for that" #JuneSteenkamp, remarkable woman @bbcthree #OscarPistorius


Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   2h    
#BarrySteenkamp "Before I can forgive, I want to talk to him...I'm sure it will help" #OscarPistorius @bbcthree


Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   2h    
#JuneSteenkamp on #OscarPistorius verdict "Very, very disappointed...that they believe his story and I don't believe that story"


Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   3h    
#JuneSteenkamp "I realise that she cared for him...from some of those messages...she seemed in love" #OscarPistorius


Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   3h    
#JuneSteenkamp on coming face to face with #OscarPistorius "He pointedly looked at me, stopped in front of me and said 'Good morning'"


Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   3h    
#JuneSteenkamp on revenge, "What good is that going to do?...I must leave it up to the law" #OscarPistorius #ReevaSteenkamp


Elizabeth Yardley @DrLizYardley     ·   3h    
"beautiful outside & inside...she would put others before her" #JuneSteenkamp on daughter #ReevaSteenkamp @bbcthree #OscarPistorius

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:25 pm

"Pistorius faces years in jail after being convicted of culpable homicide in the killing of girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. However, there is no minimum sentence for the conviction in South African law and the double-amputee Olympian could receive a suspended sentence and no jail time."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/pistorius-free-compete-sa-olympic-body-says
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:21 pm



BBC Three @bbcthree    . 2h

Reeva Steenkamp's father on #OscarPistorius. http://t.co/JH1FYlyl36

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Post by CuriousPortlander on Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:46 pm


Oscar Pistorius: Reeva Steenkamp's parents request a meeting with athlete in emotional new interview after verdict

Tuesday 16 September 2014



June Steenkamp might have vocalised her forgiveness for Oscar Pistorius – the boyfriend of their late daughter Reeva, who he shot and killed on Valentine’s Day 2013.

But the model’s father, Barry Steenkamp, has said he can only begin to come to terms with their tragic loss once he’s had the opportunity to question the athlete himself, face to face.

...“It will,” June added. “He did ask to speak to us but we weren’t ready. Quite a while ago. You don’t actually want to talk to someone that has done that to your child.”


Read more:  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/oscar-pistorius-reeva-steenkamps-parents-request-meeting-with-athlete-following-his-sentencing-for-culpable-homicide-9735566.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:45 pm

Oscar Pistorius

BAN HIM FROM RUNNING TRACK

Says U.S. Olympic Legend


9/21/2014 12:45 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

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The London Economic‏ @LondonEconomic  
#OscarPistorius street art in Shoreditch, London using newspaper coverage of his trial pic.twitter.com/4UgbvpbgR0

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By: Karishma Thakurdin  /  Published 19 Sep, 2014

Henke Pistorius: “Oscar has more fighting spirit than anyone I know”

The Blade Runner’s dad has opened up for the first time about his sons’ childhood challenges, the lengthy court case and the tragedy facing two families.

For the past 18 months Henke’s absence from court proceedings led to a lot of speculation from people, but he’s set the record straight about this and many other rumours during a lengthy interview with You magazine.

Henke explained to the mag that the past 18 months have been almost unbearable at times. “It’s every parent’s nightmare. You never think so much drama would ever happen to your child. You live your life and then, suddenly, your life is on the front pages of newspapers and all over TV,” he explained.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Fri Sep 26, 2014 10:28 pm

Pistorius should 'pay' for killing our daughter, Reeva Steenkamp's mother says

Oscar Pistorius will not 'pay properly for killing our daughter' after being found guilty of culpable homicide, June Steenkamp says


June Steenkamp looks on as judgment is handed down in the murder trial of Oscar Pistorius  Photo: Alon Skuy/AFP/Getty Images

By Stephanie Findlay, Pretoria
2:41PM BST 23 Sep 2014


The mother of slain model Reeva Steenkamp has said she wished Oscar Pistorius was found guilty of her daughter’s murder.

The star sprinter shot Ms Steenkamp four times through a locked toilet door Valentine’s Day morning 2013 and was found guilty of cuplable homicide at the conclusion of his six month trial.

However June Steenkamp, Reeva’s mother, has said she was “very dissapointed, deeply sad and extremely angry” with the verdict.

“In my opinion it means that Oscar’s not going to pay properly for killing our lovely daughter,” she said.

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Post by Freckles on Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:00 am

From above link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/11116044/Pistorius-should-pay-for-killing-our-daughter-Reeva-Steenkamps-mother-says.html

" ..... “What didn’t seem to come out in the trial was that a pair of her jeans were found on the ground outside the open bathroom window. What were they doing there?” said Mrs Steenkamp.

“I know my daughter and she was extremely tidy and organised, she sorted out her cupboards every week and would never have left her clothes on the floor.” ......"
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:22 pm


Mystery Oscar statement issued

2014-10-02 00:47


Johannesburg - A press statement was issued by Paralympian Oscar Pistorius's family and legal team on Wednesday in attempt to forestall a pending news report, apparently relating to electronic communications devices.

"We are not sure of the allegations which are to be made or the source of such allegations, but we are not aware of any deletions having been affected by Oscar or effected on his instructions that could be relevant to this trial or could have impacted on this trial," they said.


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Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:19 pm


Oscar Pistorius made a secret call the night of the murder

Oct 2nd 2014 10:05AM


A new book reveals that Oscar Pistorius made a secret phone call to an old flame shortly before shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day last year.


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Post by Freckles on Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:40 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Oscar Pistorius made a secret call the night of the murder

Oct 2nd 2014 10:05AM


A new book reveals that Oscar Pistorius made a secret phone call to an old flame shortly before shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day last year.


Read more:  http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/02/oscar-pistorius-made-a-secret-call-the-night-of-the-murder/20971263/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_280453&ncid=txtlnkusaolp00001346

He was also busy watching PORN.
Which might explain why the cover was torn off the tablet? lap top?
He might have desired to share, Reeva got upset and tossed/ruined the device, stormed off to the bathroom while telling him, "You could ruin your career!"
He started yelling, as it was reported by neighbors, and she fled to the bathroom.
He realized she COULD destroy his image IF she mentioned his porn to anyone;
he decided then to eliminate the evidence: kill Reeva.

I wish the prosecution had focused on the porn which I understand is against the law in SA.

Calling the old gf: This could have caused an argument as it was eve of Valentine's Day and Reeva had made plans to spend the night with OP...Since they had been dating only a few months, IMO, I don't think their intimacy had involved sex yet.

He blew it.
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Post by Freckles on Thu Oct 02, 2014 5:49 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Oscar Pistorius made a secret call the night of the murder

Oct 2nd 2014 10:05AM


A new book reveals that Oscar Pistorius made a secret phone call to an old flame shortly before shooting his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day last year.


Read more:  http://www.aol.com/article/2014/10/02/oscar-pistorius-made-a-secret-call-the-night-of-the-murder/20971263/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_280453&ncid=txtlnkusaolp00001346

".... have uncovered cell phone data alleging the 27-year-old Paralympian had secretly chatted with 25-year-old Jenna Edkins for nine minutes on the night Steenkamp was shot. Apparently, Edkins was saved in Pistorius's phone book as "Babyshoes."

Why did this woman not come forward to at least give a statement to the PD?
This angers me!
She was willing to keep her silence and thereby endorsed OP's actions.
She best be careful as she might be the next to be jeopardized.... and no one will stand for her.

" .... ......"
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:42 pm

Oscar Pistorius ‘rang ex-girlfriend before he shot Reeva Steenkamp’

Jerome Starkey  |  The Times  |   October 03, 2014 7:38AM


Oscar Pistorius poses with his then girlfriend Jenna Edkins in 2008. Source: News Corp Australia
 
OSCAR PISTORIUS was on the phone to his ex-girlfriend hours before he shot and killed Reeva Steenkamp in the early hours of Valentine’s Day, while his brother Carl may have deleted data from his phone before it was given to police, according to a new book.

The athlete had a nine-minute conversation with Jenna Edkins as he drove up to his compound in the outskirts of Pretoria last year.

He started dating Miss Edkins in 2008 and described her in his autobiography as “a beautiful girl with blonde hair and sparkling blue eyes”.

He had saved her number in his phone under “Babyshoes”, according to a book about his trial by two South African journalists, but police failed to make the connection because the line was registered to Miss Edkins’s father

She was never questioned, but often spoke out in the athlete’s defence after his arrest. The double amputee was convicted of culpable homicide last month for killing Miss Steenkamp by firing four hollow-tipped bullets through a locked bathroom door, but he was cleared of the more serious charge of premeditated murder, because Judge Thokozile Masipa said the state had not proved his intention to kill.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:46 pm

Oscar Pistorius’s brother Carl allegedly wiped data off the Olympian’s phone days after he killed Reeva Steenkamp

AFP and Network Writers  AFP  October 02, 2014 9:55PM

POLICE suspected the brother of Oscar Pistorius of wiping data from the Olympian’s phone in the days after he killed his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, a South African radio station claims.

Investigators believed Carl Pistorius synchronised his computer with his brother’s iPhone, wiping out the entire call history and all WhatsApp messages, according to an investigation by Eyewitness News (EWN).

Police “considered charging him with defeating the ends of justice but ultimately declined to proceed with a case against him”, EWN said.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:53 pm

Oscar Pistorius’s Brother Allegedly Tampered With Athlete’s Phone

Posted by: Mara Ispas
Posted date: October 2, 2014


Paralympian Oscar Pistorius’s brother, Carl, allegedly tampered with the athlete’s cellphone in the days after Pistorius’s girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, was shot and killed, reported Eyewitness News on Thursday.

According to the report, the information was revealed in a new book entitled ‘Behind the Door’, co-authored by EWN reporters Barry Bateman and Mandy Wiener.

An investigation into Pistorius’s personal cellphone revealed his entire call history, Whatsapp messages, and several text messages had been deleted after the shooting occurred. It is understood the phone in question was only handed to police 12 days after the incident took place.

Investigators compared the service provider data of both Pistorius and his brother during that period of time. They found it was likely Carl removed the cellphone from the crime scene.
It was established the cellphone had been synced with a computer identified as ‘Titanium Hulk’.

According to EWN, Carl often uses this name to refer to himself on social media. His email address also contains the word ‘Hulk’.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:57 pm



ST Foreign Desk ‏@STForeignDesk  ·  15 hours ago  
#OscarPistorius brother Carl was suspected of wiping phone data after shooting
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:04 pm

How Carl Pistorius dodged a charge

Debora Patta @City_Press #OscarPistorius
2 October 2014 16:41


The team prosecuting Oscar Pistorius believed it had a case against the athlete’s brother Carl for defeating the ends of justice – but agreed not to if the defence accepted the chain of evidence related to Oscar’s cellphones, including a handset removed from the crime scene.

Two separate sources close to both the prosecution and defence have confirmed that Carl Pistorius had his brother’s iPhone for at least 24 hours after the athlete shot his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp dead in February 2013.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:07 pm

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman  · 21h21 hours ago  
#OscarPistorius during the trial, only WhatsApp evidence retrieved from Reeva’s phone was led. WhatsApp on Oscar’s pvt was deleted. BB

Barry Bateman ‏@barrybateman  · 21h21 hours ago  
#OscarPistorius handset’s entire call history and WhatsApp record was deleted, as well as several messages received after the shooting. BB

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Post by Freckles on Fri Oct 03, 2014 12:05 am


From above link:
https://twitter.com/barrybateman


Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius defence source dismissed Babyshoes / Edkins call as the “smoking gun”. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius defence source says Edkins was prepared to testify if the state attempted to introduce this evidence. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius a defence source says Oscar’s lawyers knew about the call to Edkins and had also consulted with her. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius prosecution member says Babyshoes call would have been considered character evidence and disallowed. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius a member of the prosecution team dismissed suggestions that the Babyshoes call was a crucial piece of evidence. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius during the trial, only WhatsApp evidence retrieved from Reeva’s phone was led. WhatsApp on Oscar’s pvt was deleted. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius family: 'we are not aware of any deletions... that could be relevant to this trial or could have impacted on this trial”. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius police suspected Carl was responsible for this, but ultimately did not proceed with a prosecution. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius handset’s entire call history and WhatsApp record was deleted, as well as several messages received after the shooting. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius brother Carl’s nickname is Titanium Hulk. Police suspected he synchronised the device with his computer. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius this was the handset removed from the crime scene and returned nearly two weeks later. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 23h 23 hours ago

#OscarPistorius police established in late October that Oscar’s personal handset was synchronised with a computer called Titanium Hulk. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 24h 24 hours ago

#OscarPistorius EWN discovered the Babyshoes information near the close of the defence case. It was passed on to the authorities. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 24h 24 hours ago

#OscarPistorius spoke to ex on eve of shooting. http://ewn.co.za/2014/10/02/EWN-Exclusive-Oscar-Pistorius-spoke-to-ex-on-eve-of-shooting-Steenkamp …
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 24h 24 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Edkins declined to comment, however said it was common knowledge that she and the athlete have remained friends. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 24h 24 hours ago

#OscarPistorius Masipa accepted the athlete’s version of mistaken identity - that he believed an intruder had entered his house. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 24h 24 hours ago

#OscarPistorius in her ruling, Judge Masipa did not take into account any of the evidence obtained from cellphones data. BB
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Barry Bateman @barrybateman · 24h 24 hours ago

#OscarPistorius detectives did not make the connection and Edkins was never questioned or asked to provide a statement. BB
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:02 am

Criminal Law of South Africa

- Prof James Grant PhD (Criminal Law), Associate Professor of Law, University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, SA

Unsuccessful Attempts to Justify Judge Masipa’s Errors (Revised & Expanded)

Posted: September 28, 2014 in Education

*** This is a revised and substantially expanded version of the post “Unsuccessful attempts to Justify Judge Masipa’s Errors”. It is organised around themes rather than individual commentators. ***

Introduction

There is something deeply disturbing about many of the attempts that have been made to justify Judge Masipa’s judgment in the Pistorius case. They seem to take the line that her conclusion of culpable homicide was conceivable on the law as it stands, and therefore, although her reasons were questionable, her conclusion was correct. It’s the argument that the end justifies the means. This type of justification is as problematic in law as it is in most other areas of life.

In law it is a licence to introduce uncertainty in our law, or worse, distort or destroy the proper functioning of the principles. Perhaps even worse than that, it seems to reconcile with the notion that the principles don’t matter, as long as the right conclusion was reached. This is the worst possible implication because it reconciles with a lawless society. We must not accept this. It is not even the thin edge of the wedge – it is the wedge, the whole of the wedge.

Another common theme can be observed – related to the point made above. It’s the notion that there was nothing wrong with Masipa’s reasons because they are in line with a defence raised even if she did not actually apply the defence or principles underlying the defence. This is all very well, except that if the Judge did not actually rely on that defence or the principles underlying the defence, we cannot pretend that she did. This is law by wishful thinking. I’m not sure it’s as bad as lawlessness. But if lawlessness was bad, this is madness.

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Post by Freckles on Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:08 pm

I like that link, AD.
From the above link:

http://linkis.com/criminallawza.net/20/22KmS

" ... .....Again, it does not help to say this cannot be true because he thought the deceased was in the bedroom. This is the argument that Masipa seems to have finally settled on – and it is fatally flawed in logic. She says: the accused could not have foreseen the possibility of killing the deceased, or anyone else for that matter, because he thought the deceased was in the bedroom. The fact that the accused thought that the deceased was in the bedroom says nothing about what he thought about the presence of someone else in the toilet. Indeed, it is his defence that he believed someone else was in the toilet."
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Post by Freckles on Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:34 pm

"....Carmen says:
September 28, 2014 at 19:05

Professor Grant,

Below is a small excerpt from a recent Judge Greenland interview. If Judge Masipa decides to give a noncustodial sentence and the prosecution subsequently appeals and wins, does this mean that Mr. Pistorius would be guilty of murder but would still only serve a noncustodial sentence? It doesn’t seem right.

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If they make that decision and his judgment is switched, do they go to sentencing again?

The Court of Appeal will not be charged with his sentence. The court will correct the verdict in my respectful view and that’s it. It cannot interfere with the sentence. It can only interfere with the sentence if OP appealed his sentence and the State cross-appealed for an increase in the sentence. So let us say that the unlikely event plays out that the judge imposes a meaningful custodial sentence here, OP will be on the horns of quite a bad dilemma because if he appeals his sentence, that opens the door for the State to cross-appeal to have his sentence increased to match the then corrected verdict of murder on the basis of dolus eventualis....."


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:58 pm

LIVE STREAM

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial

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Watch live: Oscar Pistorius finds out his sentence for shooting Reeva Steenkamp

Oscar Pistorius returns to court for sentencing following his conviction for culpable homicide of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. Live here from 8.30am BST


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/oscar-pistorius/10668819/Watch-live-Oscar-Pistorius-finds-out-his-sentence-for-shooting-Reeva-Steenkamp.html
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:02 pm

Oscar Pistorius could escape prison sentence in girlfriend's killing

Possible penalties for South African athlete include suspended sentence or fine


The Associated Press Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:23 PM ET | Last Updated: Oct 12, 2014 6:39 PM ET

Read more:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/oscar-pistorius-could-escape-prison-sentence-in-girlfriend-s-killing-1.2796705?cmp=rss
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:20 am

 Thanks, Alessandra and Freckles, for posting all these great articles, tweets, and links!  Very much appreciated!

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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:15 am

It is too early.... couldn't we do this in the afternoon in SA?
Sleep
Dont know how long I will last....



Oct 12, 11:33 AM EDT

Oscar Pistorius faces sentencing this week

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA

JOHANNESBURG (AP) -- What kind of sentence will Oscar Pistorius get for killing girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp?

South African judge Thokozile Masipa has wide latitude in deciding the sentence after several days of legal arguments and testimony that begin Monday. Last month she convicted the double-amputee runner of culpable homicide, or negligent killing. Sentences for such a crime can range from a suspended sentence and a fine to as many as 15 years in prison.

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AF_PISTORIUS_TRIAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:17 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial
Sure hope this starts soon....apparently there are now possible witnesses to testify in the sentencing phase?
Isn't this a little too late???

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan

#OscarPistorius manager Peet van Zyl here today - may be potential witness in mitigation of sentence. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial


2014/10/13 02:05

Oscar Pistorius has arrived at the North Gauteng High Court.
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:22 am

http://www.enca.com/oscartrial

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan
For first time, police have scanners at entrance of OP court room. Believed to be in response to threats on Pistorius life @eNCAnews
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:24 am

On youtube w/ live comments on side:
http://youtu.be/Gooucl7jB64?list=PL2BJTpLEt7O7zPu-8lpEaye8Os6chwX8G
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:37 am

And we are up!

State is presenting a witness who has chosen to not be televised.....
Lore Autsimber (sp) who is a doctor.....

Defense is presenting two witnesses. make that four more witnesses now!
Judge asks if def will need more than one week and he said he will not!

So we have about ONE WEEK before we can even begin to consider the sentence will be pronounced!!! Shocked
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:49 am

State witness:

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan

Hartzenberg: it was very difficult to treat Oscar Pistorius. Some sessions were just him weeping and me holding him

My comment:
OP sure knows how to con the world with his tears, his touchy feely crap. This Dr. deals with trauma. She saw OP back in Feb. 2014. Stated she sometimes was able only to hold him as he cried. Dr. stated to OP dr. would NOT act as a witness in the trial. Things changed!!! Yeah. Well, if HE felt that badly and had only known Reeva a few months when OP murdered Reeva, then think of her MOTHER and her FATHER and her sibs! Now pay up!!!

Dr. stated OP paced up and down, retched repeatedly (getting practice and observing reaction).... this is so incredibly sick. Dr. is talking of how he was "saddened" because he could not attend her memorial.... OP is a player. He is good! Will the judge buy in? Dr. is stating he was in a "spiral" of grief. States he directed anger and blame at himself.... yet, IRC, he denied all that in court!
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:57 am

Dianne Hawker @diannehawker
Hartzenberg: Negative media reports had an effect on Pistorius's identity and self-worth. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
2:51 AM - 13 Oct 2014

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OP felt he lost the friends he and Reeva shared; he has lost his vision: he lost credibility in the sports world; felt he had worked hard and lost it all. Must have been the victim's fault, eh OP? Feels he has to avoid certain places until healing takes places as it is too stressful. Felt upset when Reeva's family would not at first meet with him (No duh! Imagine how they felt!!)

Doctor has bought in totally. She will confirm his deep remorse and his PTSD.
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:59 am

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Hartzenberg: "we are left with a broken man who has lost everything." Career, self-worth, identity. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
2:57 AM - 13 Oct 2014
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:59 am

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Hartzenberg says it's unlikely Oscar Pistorius will ever recover from the shooting @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:02 am

I KNOW.
OP NEEDS TO SUE REEVA POSTHUMOUSLY FOR THE GRIEF, LOSS OF INCOME, LOSS OF FRIENDS, ETC, ALL HER FAULT !!!

KEEP IN MIND: OP ONLY DATED REEVA A FEW MONTHS!!!
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:04 am

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Hartzenberg says Pistorius's trauma was so severe that they did not discuss OP continuing with his career.

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OP is already talking of running in 2015!!!
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:07 am

Nel is asking if dr. knew OP had resumed training.
Dr. is stuttering. Says she knew he went to the track once because it was in the media. He did not tell this with her.OP had told her he had no future as an athletic. She turned in the report lately. It was completed back in Feb.

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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:13 am

Dr. is stating OP has lost all interest in much of life; love interest, friends, career. She does not believe he will ever be able to work again. Apparently, she is NOT aware of his interest in returning to running!!!

Nel asks IF he has lost his love interest does this mean he will never love again?

Dr. consulted with OP from Feb 2013 to Oct 2014. That is right.... until recently! s she not aware of the media reports of OP going back to training, preparing for returning to the track, etc.? How about the new gf he has had for some time?



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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:14 am

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Nel: I'm having a surprise that a professional person giving testimony on sentence did not read the full judgment. Is that irresponsible?
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:25 am

I may be wrong but it appears OP and his brother Carl, who is seated a short distance away, are busy texting to each other! Both have cell phones out, fingers busy, heads bent down. I wonder if they are sending signals to each other as to when to retch, ask to leave the court, etc... ????
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:27 am

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan

Nel: did Oscar Pistorius ever tell you that his ex girlfriend's mother had asked him to see a psychologist? Hartzenberg: no @eNCAnews
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:29 am

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Hartzenberg: Pistorius "always had someone in his life". @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
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Post by Freckles on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:38 am

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@eNCAnews Hartzenberg says #OscarPistorius behaviour is normal for someone suffering from PTSD #OscarTrial



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Now to #OscarPistorius fight in nightclub during trial. Dr H says she and athlete "dealt with that... the reasons why it happened.."
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:47 am

Thanks for all the updates, Freckles.  Court is in recess until 11:15 a.m. BST.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:59 am


Dianne Hawker @diannehawker


Nel says Hartzenberg is avoiding the question about the possible effects a new relationship would have had. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
2:41 AM - 13 Oct 2014

Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan


Nel puts it to Hartzenberg that she got emotional during Pistorius testimony. She admits she cried when he took legs off @eNCAnews
2:41 AM - 13 Oct 2014

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Dianne Hawker @diannehawker

Next witness is Mashaba Joel Maringa - a social worker employed by the department of Correctional Services. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
2:50 AM - 13 Oct 2014

andrew harding        ✔ @BBCAndrewH

So this witness was provided by the state. Defence wants him to give evidence about possible "house arrest" for #OscarPistorius
2:51 AM - 13 Oct 2014

Dianne Hawker @diannehawker
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Maringa: the accused would benefit from correctional supervision. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
3:00 AM - 13 Oct 2014


Dianne Hawker @diannehawker
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Maringa: OP should be declared to be unfit to carry a firearm. @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
3:01 AM - 13 Oct 2014

David Smith        ✔ @SmithInAfrica
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Maringa: "However, his encounter with firearms appears to tarnish his good standing." #Pistorius
3:01 AM - 13 Oct 2014


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Maringa recommends house arrest for Oscar Pistorius @eNCAnews #OscarTrial
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