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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu May 07, 2015 1:50 pm

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden 4m4 minutes ago

Burdette says Holmes bought $292.70 worth of paper targets from his company prior to #theatershooting. Watch live: http://link.kdvr.com/1PrjSDd

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu May 07, 2015 1:57 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman 6m6 minutes ago

They're taking  bags of evidence to jurors to examine, giving them gloves in case they want them. #theatershooting


heather hefner ‏@heathiebird03 3m3 minutes ago

Tons of evidence today The table filled w/ the items that are being shown to the jury 1 by 1 #theatershooting

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu May 07, 2015 2:19 pm


heather hefner ‏@heathiebird03 7m7 minutes ago

Evidence photo of JH's car A handgun was found in the side pocket of the door #theatershooting





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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu May 07, 2015 2:20 pm

heather hefner ‏@heathiebird03 7m7 minutes ago

Evidence Photo of an 8GB I Pod #theatershooting




heather hefner ‏@heathiebird03 6m6 minutes ago

Evidence Photo of a tactical belt holding 2 shotgun shells #theatershooting



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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Thu May 07, 2015 2:21 pm


Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ 9m9 minutes ago

Lunch break so return at 1:40pm MST #theatershooting #theatertrial

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu May 07, 2015 11:23 pm

Marshall Zelinger @7Marshall  · 10h
Mounting pile of physical evidence in #TheaterShooting trial. Will court reporter disappear or table collapse?




Carol McKinley ‏@CarolAMcKinley · 10h
Court clerk disappearing underneath mountains of plastic ev. bags ~ Ammo, helmet, groin protector #theatershooting


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu May 07, 2015 11:24 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 12h
All of the Aurora #theatershooting exhibits that have been released so far by the court can be found at: http://extras.denverpost.com/trial/docs.html

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu May 07, 2015 11:27 pm

7NEWS Denver Channel ‏@DenverChannel · 4h
#TheaterShooting gunman bought posters of people to use for target practice - http://bit.ly/1GSaEeC

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Thu May 07, 2015 11:43 pm



James Holmes Trial - Day 8 - Part 1

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James Holmes Trial - Day 8 - Part 2

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James Holmes Trial - Day 8 - Part 3

Published on May 7, 2015




James Holmes Trial - Day 8 - Part 4

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 6:48 pm

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Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 8h 8 hours ago
Kaitlyn Fonzi is on the stand. She lived in same apartment building as JH


s Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 8h 8 hours ago
Kaitlyn was in apt. 6 and above her was apt. 10


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 8h 8 hours ago
The apt. Building was quiet and she didn't know many that lived there

Kaitlyn said she called the police over loud music (techno music) that shook her apt

Kaitlyn noticed the music was coming from apt. 10. She knocked on door and wanted to open it because it was unlocked

Kaitlyn's gut told her not to open door and to just go home and call police

The music was so loud Kaitlyn had to raise her voice to talk to her BF



Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 8h 8 hours ago
We are hearing Kaitlyn's 911 call

The music kept going around 45 minutes after her first call so she called again


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 8h 8 hours ago
After the second call 30 min later the music stopped. The music played in total for an hour

Kaitlyn heard a loud crash and it was the swat team kicking the door in JH's apt

Kaitlyn saw JH pic on the news. She had seen JH around apt. building and she said hello and he never answered back

Kaitlyn remembers smelling strong gasoline smell in apt. building


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 8h 8 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions for Fonzi: When did music start/when did u call 911? Music started after 12 AM, I called around 12:10, 12:30

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 6:53 pm

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Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 8h 8 hours ago
Michael Holm is on the stand. He works for the city of Aurora. He's a Sgt.


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. Holm only spent a minute in theater #9. He moved on to directing officers in a search of building


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. Holm got info to change his location


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. was told of a possible explosive device at JH's apt


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. felt music was on a timer



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· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. Evacuated buildings all around the apt


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· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. Holm wanted a robot to enter apt



Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Defense asks Sgt. About a bullet sticking straight up in magazine


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· 7h 7 hours ago
Pros asks if that means anything. Sgt. States magazine was dropped or gun jammed in order for bullet to turn like that



Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
JQ- What time did u arrive at apt? 15 after 1am


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
JQ- was music still playing? It was off

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 6:56 pm

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Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Another Sgt. Is on the stand and he's apart of the bomb squad


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. Headed over to JH's apartment


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. had bomb tech robot go into apt. 1st #theatershooting #theatertrial Good thing I proofed my tweet auto correct had "bong tech robot"



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· 7h 7 hours ago
The robot had cameras that allowed the officers to see inside apt


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
We are going to watch a video of the robot in action


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Looking inside JH apartment at the chemicals on the floor


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Instead of working on his oral communications skills JH was doing some major bomb making in that apartment


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· 7h 7 hours ago
JH had the music coming from his computer

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 7:00 pm

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Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 7h 7 hours ago
Sgt. had to be careful with robot so it didn't trip the wire and
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 7:22 pm

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ  
 ·  6h 6 hours ago  
Defense trying to make point items were more flammable than explosive

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ  
 ·  6h 6 hours ago  
Pros making it known these items in JH's apartment could have killed people

THE BOMB JAMES HOLMES BUILT:
PHOTO SHOWS DETONATION OF APARTMENT BOMB BY PROFESSIONALS



http://www.thegoldpatrol.com/james-holmes-news.html




Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ  
 ·  6h 6 hours ago  
Pros making points that apartment could blow. It was highly dangerous

May seem minor, but #TheaterShooting defense trying 2 show in cross that booby-trapped apt. may have just caused fire, not massive explosion

@will_c_holden Think the pros will show the helicopter footage of APD blowing up the devices east of town?
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 7:27 pm


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Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury question to bomb robot operator: If apt. did blow, would there be danger from empty shells? A: I couldn't answer that.


n's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury question to bomb robot operator: Did apt. seem staged or rigged to blow? A: Configured to blow.


Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions to bomb robot operator: how did you know it was safe to enter? A: We didn't know. That's why we sent robot


Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions to bomb robot operator: What would trip booby-trap fishing line? A: Had to be pushed


Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions 2 bomb robot operator: When did u find out Holmes talked about apartment? A: On 2nd morning after briefing


Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions 2 bomb robot operator: By time apt. was safe, did u know what chemicals/powder were? A: Yes


Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions 2 bomb robot operator: What was blinking item on floor? A: 2 were launch controls, 1 was LED light from bike


Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions to bomb robot operator: If jars w/ rifle ammo/napalm exploded, what would happen? A: Ammo would spray

Jen's Trial Diaries retweeted


Will C. Holden @will_c_holden
· 6h 6 hours ago
#TheaterShooting jury questions to bomb robot operator: Was lamp on when u entered or was it dark? A: Lamp was on when we entered.


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 4h 4 hours ago
I think the prosecutions more excited about the bomb techs job than he is lol


Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 4h 4 hours ago
He's so nervous poor guy


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· 4h 4 hours ago
@TrialDiariesJ Humans are such odd creatures; he works with explosives for a living but a courtroom environment scares him

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 7:34 pm

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On the stand is Casey Overton. He went inside JH apartment to make sure the bomb robot was not caught up on trip wire.


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· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

The robot was not caught up. He X-rayed things in the apartment. Ammo cans (steel), 1 empty and 1 had .223 ammo inside


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· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Def not crossing, no jury ?. I think this guy is ready to be off the stand.

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Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 7:43 pm

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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

Next witness is Paul Capolungo. He is with Denver City Police bomb squad.



The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting
He went up in the bucket and looked inside the apartment.



The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

Many rooms to clear to be sure there was nobody else inside


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

He went up 2x. 1st time with Aurora Officer as cover.


he Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

Wore tactical vest and helmet during 1st time up. It’s thicker than bulletproof vest - more protection


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

He saw on top of fridge a black plastic box about 1ft x 1ft and the yellow wires were going into that box.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

He had digital camera and took some photos after the “break and rake” of windows

Photo of black box. on front is antenna



Antenna concerning b/c it means it can be fired remotely. Someone doesn’t have to be physically there to detonate it




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 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

From that point, he came off truck to show bomb squad photo of the box


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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

About 2 hours later (8:30 AM) decided to go back up to break out windows. Kitchen window - got strong gasoline odor


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· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

After the odor smell, you have a lot of vapors in there. To rid apt of vapors is to air out. They broke out all windows


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

At this time, they were still unsure if the apartment was occupied.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Moved down to living room window which was larger. Blinds shut. Broke it, strong gas smell. Looked around


e Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Had better view of living room. Robot obstructed good view so he could see other angle


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Could see mortar shells, jar on chair (full of liquid and ammo


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Bathroom window - tempered glass & frosted, didn’t see anyone or anything of concern.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Went to bedroom window. Broke window, pulled out blind, and saw ammo can on floor near bed.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Concerned about ammo can which can become IED.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Next day (7/21) was part of render safe team. Was involved in detonating the box on the top of fridge


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 4h 4 hours ago
#theatershooting

Water charge. Use explosives to propel water at high rate of speed to separate wires from box. It worked.

No cross by defense. Jury has ?’s

No jury ?’s.

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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

Witness finished. Next up is David Williams. He is a survivor of the shooting.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

He had a GSW to left hand and finger


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

He didn’t want to go but gave in.

They walked to the theater that night. The only lived a mile away. Got there 1-1.5 hrs before movie started.

Seated near a couple to left of them.

Shown diagram he filled out

Williams shows where he was on mock theater model



15 min into movie, saw someone step in through exit door; just a silhouette - thought it was someone dressed up as villain

Clapping from audience - people thought it was part of the movie.


The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  4h 4 hours ago  
#theatershooting

Side note: Just so disturbing to me

Canister arched and landed near him. He smelled gas that wasn’t what he thought was a prop.

He is ex-military, so he thought it was CS gas - used in training to disorient you. 2nd canister arched to R side

Loud gunshot into ceiling. His hands were in the air.

Phone in L hand and realized he couldn’t feel L hand but felt throbbing and fire

Could still hear gunshots and screams. “No longer hearing claps and cheers”.

Darted to his L trying to flee. Knew he had to get out. Saw blazes from everywhere, screams. He got out of theater.

He was still in his seat when his hand was hit

In lobby, went towards main doors, but as he was running he thought someone may be outside waiting.

Went to R side by arcade. Jumped beside 2 games for a few seconds. Could still hear a lot of gunfire in arcade

He heard 2 different weapons fired in theater.

Heard semi-auto shotgun, loud and rapid bursts and then single shots.

In arcade, heard the same shots.

Decides he didn’t want to die between arcade games. Ran outside thought front doors.

After outside, he ran to parking lot and stopped and didn’t see anyone else out there.

Noticed that his L hand was bloody and shaking. Got medical attention when ambulances came.

In ambulance, there was a young lady sitting to L of him in theater. She had neck injury Also a man shot in the back too.


Jury?: Did you see gunman move thru theater?

A: Yes, through aisles

Jury?: How many guns did you hear fired while you were IN the theater?

A: 2

pros asks Williams to show on diagram where he saw JH. Mostly at bottom of theater

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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol
· 3h 3 hours ago
#theatershooting

Up next is Sgt Shane Heiter. He is with the bomb squad.

They saw through open doorway the fishing line attached to the wall. To L line was hooked to striker plate

The striker plate was attached to thermos and then attached to skillet. Inside skillet was gray powder substance

Shane is looking at photos he took of JH apartment

These photos are before he entered

Defense arguing that these photos are cumulative. Judge is explain why they’re not


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· 2h 2 hours ago
#theatershooting

Testimony is over for the day. Trial to resume on Monday. Thanks for following along

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plastic ammo storage box


JH bedroom - black ammo can in photo


JH bedroom


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Glock magazine - 2 dots show fully loaded


Magazine pouch


Bundle of wire

30 round .223 magazines with live ammo & magazine holster & handcuffs


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Mortar and pestle with chunks of metal in it



Overview of contents of area


Living room - rendered safe. Felt sloshing from gasoline soaked carpet in clear path areas


Gas can under microwave


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Electrode aluminum flat


Packages of metal flat rods.


2 metal rods found in front of microwave. They have oxidation on them by some chemical


Smokeless powder


Close-up of chemical lab grade ammonium chloride


Trash can next to refrigerator. Chem. bottles found inside.


Close up of plate you connected wires to


Launch control remote controller


Accessories for launch controls found in floor

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R side of kitchen table. Poster of movie ‘Anchorman’ in frame


Kitchen table. Initiated device by Denver caused the debris


Living room toward front door.


Close up of freezer area. Metal bent from force of blast


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Refrigerator/Freezer - you can see where they rendered it safe with water charge


Photo of JH kitchen


Photo of JH apartment after rendered safe but before removal of items

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 8:37 pm

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Trevor Hughes ‏@TrevorHughes · 2h2 hours ago
Prosecutors say they're slightly ahead of schedule in presentation. (They've got two months.) #theatertrial is set for 4-5 months total.

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 8:39 pm

he Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol  
 ·  9h 9 hours ago  
#theatershooting
JH ALWAYS looks at footage of his apartment



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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Fri May 08, 2015 9:49 pm


Thanks for all the photos, Mylife! Very Happy

All I can say is WOW! I can't believe how much planning must have gone into all of this. Just wow.



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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by CuriousPortlander on Fri May 08, 2015 9:57 pm

James Holmes Trial - Day 9 - Part 1


James Holmes Trial - Day 9 - Part 2


James Holmes Trial - Day 9 - Part 3


James Holmes Trial - Day 9 - Part 4


All Published on May 8, 2015
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 10:38 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Thanks for all the photos, Mylife!  Very Happy

All I can say is WOW!  I can't believe how much planning must have gone into all of this.  Just wow.




You're welcome. There are actually even more photos. It is clear that JH spent a lot of time researching explosives and too little time researching neuroscience. It's really not surprising that JH's college work suffered that semester when you stop to consider how much time he must have spent on locating all of these devices, ammunition, body armor, weapons, chemicals, etc. and then figuring out how to use them to carry out his plan. So, so much planning and time went into this crime.

I'm not sure if I missed this, but have we learned how LE was first alerted to the fact that JH's apartment was rigged with explosives. I have seen the transcript of the interrogation between the bomb detective and JH in which the detective is asking JH for more information about what all is in his apartment that they need to worry about; however, I'm still not clear how they originally learned about the dangers behind the apartment door. Did JH just come right out and tell LE about the apartment after he was arrested or did LE learn on their own that the apartment was rigged? Can one of you help me out on this bit of case knowledge?
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Fri May 08, 2015 11:11 pm

Mylife101 wrote:
CuriousPortlander wrote:
Thanks for all the photos, Mylife!  Very Happy

All I can say is WOW!  I can't believe how much planning must have gone into all of this.  Just wow.




You're welcome.  There are actually even more photos.  It is clear that JH spent a lot of time researching explosives and too little time researching neuroscience.  It's really not surprising that JH's college work suffered that semester when you stop to consider how much time he must have spent on locating all of these devices, ammunition, body armor, weapons, chemicals, etc. and then figuring out how to use them to carry out his plan. So, so much planning and time went into this crime.

I'm not sure if I missed this, but have we learned how LE was first alerted to the fact that JH's apartment was rigged with explosives. I have seen the transcript of the interrogation between the bomb detective and JH in which the detective is asking JH for more information about what all is in his apartment that they need to worry about; however, I'm still not clear how they originally learned about the dangers behind the apartment door.  Did JH just come right out and tell LE about the apartment after he was arrested or did LE learn on their own that the apartment was rigged?  Can one of you help me out on this bit of case knowledge?

I'm a little fuzzy on this, too.  Here's what I was able to find regarding a timeline.

According to this article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/08/james-holmes-aurora-hearing/1816875/):

"It is believed that after Holmes arrived at 12:03 a.m., he soon exited the rear of the 415-seat theater through an emergency exit, went to his car in a rear parking lot and donned protective police gear, helmet and gas mask. He then took an assault rifle, handguns and a shotgun, re-entered the theater and began his shooting spree at about 12:35 a.m.

Aurora police officer Jason Oviatt arrested Holmes a few minutes later, after finding him outside, standing with his hands on top of his car."

And:  "Aaron Blue, a fellow officer, testified that he took out a knife and cut away Holmes' protective gear to search for other weapons. Blue said he asked Holmes whether he had any explosives, and Holmes told him that he had improvised devices at his apartment that would go off if they were triggered."

According to this article (http://www.newsweek.com/trial-reveals-aurora-gunman-james-holmess-booby-trapped-home-328795):  

"An Aurora detective testified that Holmes told him following his arrest that he had set very loud music to start playing 25 minutes after he left for the theater, hoping his neighbors would call police.

Prosecutors say a neighbor did go upstairs to complain, and she even kicked the unlocked door in anger. But she did not open it and went home to phone police."

We know the neighbor called 911 between 12:10 and 12:30, so it appears that she called shortly before he was actually arrested.

I don't remember how quickly the police responded to the neighbor's call; I think she said she had to call back later because they hadn't responded within an hour.  I think she said she went to bed and woke up when she heard the apartment building door being broken down.  I don't know if the responders at the apartment already knew what he had admitted after being arrested.  I know the responders said they found the circumstances at the apartment suspicious, so they may not have found out about his admission until later.  

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Post by Mylife101 on Fri May 08, 2015 11:45 pm

"And: "Aaron Blue, a fellow officer, testified that he took out a knife and cut away Holmes' protective gear to search for other weapons. Blue said he asked Holmes whether he had any explosives, and Holmes told him that he had improvised devices at his apartment that would go off if they were triggered."

Thanks, CP. This is the answer that I have been looking for. I think the door that LE was kicking down may have been the outside door that accesses the hallway that leads to interior individual apartment doors. I don't think they ever attempted to kick down the door to JH's actual apartment #10. Does this sound correct?
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat May 09, 2015 12:30 am

Mylife101 wrote:"And:  "Aaron Blue, a fellow officer, testified that he took out a knife and cut away Holmes' protective gear to search for other weapons. Blue said he asked Holmes whether he had any explosives, and Holmes told him that he had improvised devices at his apartment that would go off if they were triggered."

Thanks, CP. This is the answer that I have been looking for.  I think the door that LE was kicking down may have been the outside door that accesses the hallway that leads to interior individual apartment doors.  I don't think they ever attempted to kick down the door to JH's actual apartment #10. Does this sound correct?

You're welcome, Mylife.  And yes, you are correct.  Outside building door; not apartment #10 door.

The bomb squad robot blew out the bolt (which was actually unlocked) on apartment #10 door, and pushed it open.  It was never kicked down/open.

Now that I think about it, they knew there was a trip wire.  A juror question today clarified that they didn't know if the robot opening the door would trip the wire and that's why they used the robot.  So that kind of implies they knew the apartment was rigged.
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Raw Video: Detonation of bombs found in James Holmes' apartment

July 22, 2012, 2:49 PM

Police and federal agents took a caravan full of cars with chemicals from the apartment of James Holmes to a site east of Aurora to be destroyed on Saturday evening.

Video can't be embedded.  Watch it here:  http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/raw-video-detonation-of-bombs-found-in-james-holmes-apartment/
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Post by Freckles on Sat May 09, 2015 8:36 am

I hold a fewview many here would find unpopular so I am trying to quietly keep my opinions off the board. IMO, there are too many unanswered questions  and evidence  of others involved in this tragedy. Unlike Sandy Hook, I do believe this happened but I do not believe it is what we are seeing or reading.

Here are things I question from just the apartment:

1. Was the cupboard door holding the gas open or shut at time of entry?
2. IF it took TWO days to begin to dismantle the apartment of its explosives, WHY DID THEY NOT GO OFF?
3. It appears from  the reports all the windows to the apartment were broken prior to entry or at time of entry. All but the bathroom window! That window was glazed and they could not see in. Why would they not have broken that window as well?
4. Trip wire: Why did the robot not set off this "invisible" fishing line?
5. Answers are pat and rehearsed with a huge "paper" trail. Yet, despite being rehearsed, JH counters his statements with vague answers. He has a very clear mind as to where what was placed and the desired effect but then has flimsy responses when questioned on those details.
6. Do we yet understand WHY this person was involved in this tragedy?

At the theater:
1. Why was AH found slumped over the wheel of the vehicle?
Logic would have prescribed he flee from the incident and not just sit there patiently waiting for an arrest.

2. IF he was truly despondent, why did he not kill himself or resist the officers so they would kill him?

3. Like Sandy Hook, there happened to be drills taking place that very week and officers responded with comments relating to the fact and asking (as in Sandy Hook) If this was a drill?

Outside the box:

Bear in mind the mother of JH was unbelieving her son was involved in this. As a mother and a member of the psychology field, would she not have been aware of her own son's mental condition?

His major was neuro psychology. Of course he had knowledge of how the brain functioned. IMO, he was NOT researching some illness he may/may not have had. IF he had a mental condition prior to the incident, would he not have turned to the parents for guidance and assistance? They were a close family.

The father was to testify before Congress a few days after the shootings re the US/US companies involved in LIBOR (England) rigging of interest rates and corporate loans (rigged offers and credit scores involving higher interest rates to large corporations) and it looked to be very damning. Cronyism and favoritism were evident.



(Sandy Hook: Ryan Lanza's father (and perhaps mother) worked for a large company that also did international business. The father was to testify before Congress re LIBOR irregularities, as well.)

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Post by Freckles on Sat May 09, 2015 8:43 am

Mylife101 wrote:"And:  "Aaron Blue, a fellow officer, testified that he took out a knife and cut away Holmes' protective gear to search for other weapons. Blue said he asked Holmes whether he had any explosives, and Holmes told him that he had improvised devices at his apartment that would go off if they were triggered."

Thanks, CP. This is the answer that I have been looking for.  I think the door that LE was kicking down may have been the outside door that accesses the hallway that leads to interior individual apartment doors.  I don't think they ever attempted to kick down the door to JH's actual apartment #10. Does this sound correct?

Why on earth would anyone trust a mass killer?
Would you believe this person bent on destroying at random so many innocent people would be honest re ANY explosive devices on his body or within his presence? This is illogical!!

If you are jarring or kicking an enclosed apartment door, would you not  be fearful of setting off some of the explosives or disrupting gas patterns so as to  trigger a chain reaction of explosions inside the apartment? Too much Keystone Cops being played out... With this much varied explosive capability any air movement at all could have blown everything~ and surely they were aware of this! Makes no sense the actions the LE took...

It appears to me the officers already knew the answers to the questions they were asking....
and that bothers me.
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Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat May 09, 2015 3:01 pm

Hi, Freckles.  You raise some interesting questions.  I'll try to address some of them, based on watching the trial and reading articles. My comments in blue below.

Freckles wrote:I hold a fewview  many here would find unpopular so I am trying to quietly keep my opinions off the board. IMO, there are too many unanswered questions  and evidence  of others involved in this tragedy. Unlike Sandy Hook, I do believe this happened but I do not believe it is what we are seeing or reading.

Here are things I question from just the apartment:

1. Was the cupboard door holding the gas open or shut at time of entry? I don't know.

2. IF it took TWO days to begin to dismantle the apartment of its explosives, WHY DID THEY NOT GO OFF?  AFAIK, all of the devices would go off only if triggered. JH specifically said this after arrest (see quote from Officer Blue in above posts), and the evidence found at his apartment indicated such (trip wire, launch device, remote controls).  

3. It appears from  the reports all the windows to the apartment were broken prior to entry or at time of entry. All but the bathroom window! That window was glazed and they could not see in. Why would they not have broken that window as well?  They did break the bathroom window.  See trial video, Day 9 Part 3, at 36 minutes in.

4. Trip wire: Why did the robot not set off this "invisible" fishing line?  As I said in a post above, the responders were aware there was a trip wire, as JH had already told them there was one.  They didn't know if opening the door would trigger it, which is why they sent the robot instead of a bomb tech.  A bomb tech did testify (yesterday?  Sorry, I don't have a reference for this; just my memory) that at one point, they thought the robot might have gotten caught on the trip wire, so he was sent to the doorway to see if that was the case, which it wasn't.  At that point, they had "eyes on" to know exactly where the trip wire was, and knew not to advance the robot to the point of pushing against it.

5. Answers are pat and rehearsed with a huge "paper" trail. Yet, despite being rehearsed, JH counters his statements with vague answers. He has a very clear mind as to where what was placed and the desired effect but then has flimsy responses when questioned on those details.  I'm not sure what you are referring to here:  what answers were rehearsed?; how flimsy JH's responses were after his arrest?   If so, it's most likely because he was on pain killers at the time, per this article  (http://www.abc15.com/news/national/james-holmes-aurora-shooting-suspect-not-cooperating-with-investigators):  
"SAN DIEGO - First responders to the Aurora theater shooting at first thought the shooter was a fellow officer, and the shooter had taken 100mg of Vicodin about two and half hours before the shooting, according to information from sources."


6. Do we yet understand WHY this person was involved in this tragedy?  If you mean why did JH do this, we don't know for sure.  We haven't heard the defense's side yet (not that whatever they say would be believable...just sayin').  We don't know for sure why Jodi killed Travis, but we surmise it was out of rage for being rejected.  IMO, this may have been a similar situation.  

At the theater:
1. Why was AH found slumped over the wheel of the vehicle?
Logic would have prescribed he flee from the incident and not just sit there patiently waiting for an arrest.
Do you mean JH?  He was NOT found slumped over the wheel.  He was standing outside his car, with the car door open, with his hands on the roof. Per this article (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/08/james-holmes-aurora-hearing/1816875/):  
"Aurora police officer Jason Oviatt arrested Holmes a few minutes later, after finding him outside, standing with his hands on top of his car. Oviatt said Holmes was "completely compliant" when told to surrender. Oviatt, though, said that when he first spotted Holmes, he thought he was a fellow officer because he was dressed in full body armor and wore a gas mask and helmet.

"He was just standing there not doing anything, not urgent about anything," Oviatt testified.


My guess is, as One Wonders stated on a previous page, he probably was too drugged on pain killers, and that, combined with it being a sweltering hot night (according to some witnesses) and him dressed in all that body armor, his reaction time was significantly slowed down.  

We also don't know if he ever intended to get away.  As previously discussed on this thread, he didn't have much cash on him, had rigged his apartment to blow up all his belongings, apparently had no suitcases with him, and had made at least one previous statement asking if a potential date would visit him in prison, so maybe he fully expected to get arrested and therefore never attempted to flee.

I personally don't think logic ever comes into play in any of these cases we have followed, as far as expecting a murderer to act and/or think logically.  I think that's why we all have such a struggle understanding how any of these people can act the way they do.


2. IF he was truly despondent, why did he not kill himself or resist the officers so they would kill him?  We don't know that he was despondent, any more than Jodi was for Travis rejecting her.  I don't think he was thinking that HE was the problem (meaning, "I'm a failure; I may as well kill myself"). I think it was more him wanting revenge for being rejected by others.  I think he saw THEM as the problem. Of course this is all speculation on my part.  Or, as Mylife had stated earlier, maybe he just wanted to be infamous, since he certainly wasn't going to be famous as a neuroscientist.  As I previously commented, he certainly didn't seem to want to die at the hands of police, or else why wear all the body armor?

3. Like Sandy Hook, there happened to be drills taking place that very week and officers responded with comments relating to the fact and asking (as in Sandy Hook) If this was a drill?  Are you asking why none of the responders asked if this was a drill?  Many officers/detectives/first responders testified that they could tell by the raised, intense voices on the radio and the amount of radio traffic that this was a very serious, real situation.

Outside the box:

Bear in mind the mother of JH was unbelieving her son was involved in this. As a mother and a member of the psychology field, would she not have been aware of her own son's mental condition?  What mother would believe their child would be capable of something so horrendous?

IF he did/does have a mental illness, sometimes, those closest to a situation can't see the forest for the trees.  They believe what they want to believe, and may not see the reality for what it is.  IF he didn't have a mental illness, there was nothing to observe, other than anti-social behavior.  We don't know enough yet to know if his mental illness is real or just a defense to escape the death penalty.


His major was neuro psychology. Of course he had knowledge of how the brain functioned. IMO, he was NOT researching some illness he may/may not have had. IF he had a mental condition prior to the incident, would he not have turned to the parents for guidance and assistance? They were a close family.  

The father was to testify before Congress a few days after the shootings re the US/US companies involved in LIBOR (England) rigging of interest rates and corporate loans (rigged offers and credit scores involving higher interest rates to large corporations) and it looked to be very damning. Cronyism and favoritism were evident.  

(Sandy Hook: Ryan Lanza's father (and perhaps mother) worked for a large company that also did international business. The father was to testify before Congress re LIBOR irregularities, as well.)

AFAIK, there has been no evidence to support this as true (this was originally reported on a blog and has never been confirmed by MSM, per this article:  http://www.naturalnews.com/036703_James_Holmes_photos_identity.html)

See also:  http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/sandyhook.asp#libor, which states this rumor is totally false:  

However, as noted at TPM, neither of the companies these men reportedly work for (G.E. and FICO) has any obvious connection to the LIBOR scandal, the Senate Banking Committee currently has no hearings scheduled on that issue, and neither man was ever considered as a potential witness in such an investigation:
Like FICO, GE has no obvious connection to the investigation, which has roped in various other financial institutions. And once again, there is no "witness list" that includes Lanza because there isn't even a hearing on the issue.

"This rumor is 100% false," a Senate Banking Committee aide [said] by email. "The Senate Banking Committee does not have any LIBOR hearings currently scheduled, and has never considered either of these men as potential witnesses."


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Hope she is safe and well with all this nasty weather.  Me, too!


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Post by CuriousPortlander on Sat May 09, 2015 3:22 pm

Freckles wrote:
Mylife101 wrote:"And:  "Aaron Blue, a fellow officer, testified that he took out a knife and cut away Holmes' protective gear to search for other weapons. Blue said he asked Holmes whether he had any explosives, and Holmes told him that he had improvised devices at his apartment that would go off if they were triggered."

Thanks, CP. This is the answer that I have been looking for.  I think the door that LE was kicking down may have been the outside door that accesses the hallway that leads to interior individual apartment doors.  I don't think they ever attempted to kick down the door to JH's actual apartment #10. Does this sound correct?

Why on earth would anyone trust a mass killer?
Would you believe this person bent on destroying at random so many innocent people would be honest re ANY explosive devices on his body or within his presence? This is illogical!!

If you are jarring or kicking an enclosed apartment door, would you not  be fearful of setting off some of the explosives or disrupting gas patterns so as to  trigger a chain reaction of explosions inside the apartment? Too much Keystone Cops being played out... With this much varied explosive capability any air movement at all could have blown everything~ and surely they were aware of this! Makes no sense the actions the LE took...

It appears to me the officers already knew the answers to the questions they were asking....
and that bothers me.

I would say they didn't necessarily trust him, but as standard operating procedure,  ANY statement they get from ANYONE indicating possible danger to others must be investigated.  And apparently everything he told them turned out to be true.  Although most killers we've seen have lied about many things, JH seems to be the exception.

Again, they did not kick in or jar the apartment door.  They kicked in the outside door to the building, not his apartment.  They testified that all the windows were covered with closed blinds, so they couldn't see inside at that point.  They had to get cameras in there to see what they were dealing with.  They didn't know what would happen if they opened the apartment door, which is why they sent in a robot.  They showed a video of the robot doing so.  Maybe breaking the windows would have been more likely to cause an explosion and they felt the better option was to send the robot to breach the door before attempting to break all the windows.  With all due respect, I'm sure trained bomb technicians know better than we do what presented the higher risks.

Doesn't seem at all suspicious to me, but I respect your opinion.
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Post by Mylife101 on Sat May 09, 2015 5:05 pm

^^^ CP wrote: "I would say they didn't necessarily trust him, but as standard operating procedure,  ANY statement they get from ANYONE indicating possible danger to others must be investigated.  And apparently everything he told them turned out to be true.  Although most killers we've seen have lied about many things, JH seems to be the exception." (BBM)

JH's apparent honesty about this likely source of additional carnage is exactly why I have been so curious to learn how LE originally became aware of the explosives in JH's apt.  I have learned (thank you, CP) that LE was alerted to the explosives by JH, himself, telling Officer Blue at the time of arrest.  I am compelled to wonder if JH's admission could provide insight into the state of his mind when he was being arrested.  You know, that pesky little knowing the difference between right and wrong thingy.

So, why go to sooo much trouble to rig such an elaborate explosive booby-trap just to turn around and tell LE about it?  Why not let that part of his grand plan play out so that he could later marvel at his sick genius once the deaths and destruction were complete?  I can think of several reasons why JH might have fessed up right away and I'm sure the rest of you can think of several more.  Perhaps, it is as simple as the pain meds he took impaired his judgment of what to admit or not admit.  I think this is probably the most likely reason.  However, if we were to give JH any little, tiny benefit of the doubt here it may be that JH had just learned the hard way that the real act of shooting at and killing terrified humans was bloody, gruesome, depraved and a far cry from the videogame or movie-like thrill ride that he had anticipated.  Is it possible that he was just standing there with his hands on top of his car, feeling sick to his stomach, while having an "OMG, WTF did I just do" moment?  Maybe, at that moment JH decided that "enough is enough" and just came clean with Officer Blue.  Of course, it was probably just the Vicodin talking.

It would be nice to think that there is something more to JH than just a purely, evil monster. But, probably not...
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Post by Freckles on Sat May 09, 2015 11:18 pm

Mylife101 wrote:^^^ CP wrote: "I would say they didn't necessarily trust him, but as standard operating procedure,  ANY statement they get from ANYONE indicating possible danger to others must be investigated.  And apparently everything he told them turned out to be true.  Although most killers we've seen have lied about many things, JH seems to be the exception." (BBM)

JH's apparent honesty about this likely source of additional carnage is exactly why I have been so curious to learn how LE originally became aware of the explosives in JH's apt.  I have learned (thank you, CP) that LE was alerted to the explosives by JH, himself, telling Officer Blue at the time of arrest.  I am compelled to wonder if JH's admission could provide insight into the state of his mind when he was being arrested.  You know, that pesky little knowing the difference between right and wrong thingy.

So, why go to sooo much trouble to rig such an elaborate explosive booby-trap just to turn around and tell LE about it?
 Why not let that part of his grand plan play out so that he could later marvel at his sick genius once the deaths and destruction were complete?  I can think of several reasons why JH might have fessed up right away and I'm sure the rest of you can think of several more.  Perhaps, it is as simple as the pain meds he took impaired his judgment of what to admit or not admit.  I think this is probably the most likely reason.  However, if we were to give JH any little, tiny benefit of the doubt here it may be that JH had just learned the hard way that the real act of shooting at and killing terrified humans was bloody, gruesome, depraved and a far cry from the videogame or movie-like thrill ride that he had anticipated.  Is it possible that he was just standing there with his hands on top of his car, feeling sick to his stomach, while having an "OMG, WTF did I just do" moment?  Maybe, at that moment JH decided that "enough is enough" and just came clean with Officer Blue.  Of course, it was probably just the Vicodin talking.

It would be nice to think that there is something more to JH than just a purely, evil monster. But, probably not...

This bothers me.
That was a very expensive and dangerous ruse Dangerous physically to himself if any of those volatile chemicals went awry , dangerous as to expose his plans if anyone was checking inventory or mail or observing him coming and going from the apartment building, highly costly (running estimates of about 20 thousand dollars), and certainly overkill! However, since he felt he was committed to this, WHY would he then tattle on himself? IF he could not continue to keep his plans to himself, what prevented him from sharing said plans earlier with others?

It makes no sense... I have not heard of anyone going to such lengths just to give it all up.
I don't think video games played in on this.
He does not appear to fit the pattern of being evil although I would have preferred that as it would offer some kind of understanding to us.
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Post by Freckles on Sat May 09, 2015 11:36 pm

CP,

I have read your responses and find some of your comments to be helpful while other comments leave me pondering... Wanted you to know I am not ignoring you but thinking of what you wrote. awe

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I appreciate the time you spent responding to my statements. Thanks!

With each of these cases, I spend a lot of time evaluating the evidence presented.
I even discuss cases with family and friends to see what they think...(I try to get them to come to RC and just READ!Sent out the link to many people....)
I try hard to get ALL the pieces to fit in and sometimes it just doesn't work. Refreshing to have someone else cross check the info....

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Mylife
said:  "So, why go to sooo much trouble to rig such an elaborate explosive booby-trap just to turn around and tell LE about it?"

I was wondering the same thing.  The only thing that makes sense to me is he said he did it to divert the police's attention to his apartment and away from the movie theater.  I've never been sure if this was so he had time to get away or so that they couldn't rescue more people (i.e., more fatalities).

If that was truly his reason for rigging the apartment, then it was all for naught, as the police showed up so quickly at the theater (both to arrest him and prevent him from getting away, and to save as many lives as possible). ETA: His plan to divert attention failed, so no point in keeping it a secret. That's the only thing I can thing of.

It sure was a lot of research, planning, cost, and arranging for no reason.  Doesn't make a lot of sense, but then neither does shooting a theater full of strangers.



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Freckles wrote:CP,

I have read your responses and find some of your comments to be helpful while other comments  leave me pondering... Wanted you to know I am not ignoring you but thinking of what you wrote. awe

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I appreciate the time you spent responding to my statements. Thanks!

With each of these cases, I spend a lot of time evaluating the evidence presented.
I even discuss cases with family and friends to see what they think...(I try to get them to come to RC and just READ!Sent out the link to many people....)
I try hard to get ALL the pieces to fit in and sometimes it just doesn't work. Refreshing to have someone else cross check the info....


You're welcome, Freckles.  I meant to respond to your first post about similar things, but got too far behind to do so.  

I find everyone's comments to be thought-provoking, and I like to research to see if I can find answers to all of our questions.  I didn't follow this case until the trial started, so I'm finding interesting stuff with googling older articles that I hadn't seen before.

It's hard to get all the pieces to fit when we'll probably never have all the pieces, like why he did this.  And since there was a gag order back when, I'm sure there's a lot of information to come that we haven't been privy to.  I can't wait to hear more.

Glad some of my comments were helpful.  Thanks for your response.  
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Sun May 10, 2015 12:57 am

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Mylife
said:  "So, why go to sooo much trouble to rig such an elaborate explosive booby-trap just to turn around and tell LE about it?"

I was wondering the same thing.  The only thing that makes sense to me is he said he did it to divert the police's attention to his apartment and away from the movie theater.  I've never been sure if this was so he had time to get away or so that they couldn't rescue more people (i.e., more fatalities).

If that was truly his reason for rigging the apartment, then it was all for naught, as the police showed up so quickly at the theater (both to arrest him and prevent him from getting away, and to save as many lives as possible).

It sure was a lot of research, planning, cost, and arranging for no reason.  Doesn't make a lot of sense, but then neither does shooting a theater full of strangers.

@CP,

Oh, I think JH had a reason.  JH stated in the interrogation that it was to draw large numbers of LE to his apartment just before he started his theatre massacre.  The apartment explosion was to reduce the number of available LE responders in order to give JH more time to shoot people at the theatre.  That makes sense and I believe JH on that point.  I just was just struggling to figure out why JH admitted to the booby-trapped apartment if his intent was to kill as many people as possible.  I clipped a paragraph from my own post a little farther back on this page:

Mylife wrote:"So, why go to sooo much trouble to rig such an elaborate explosive booby-trap just to turn around and tell LE about it?  Why not let that part of his grand plan play out so that he could later marvel at his sick genius once the deaths and destruction were complete?  I can think of several reasons why JH might have fessed up right away and I'm sure the rest of you can think of several more.  Perhaps, it is as simple as the pain meds he took impaired his judgment of what to admit or not admit.  I think this is probably the most likely reason.  However, if we were to give JH any little, tiny benefit of the doubt here it may be that JH had just learned the hard way that the real act of shooting at and killing terrified humans was bloody, gruesome, depraved and a far cry from the videogame or movie-like thrill ride that he had anticipated.  Is it possible that he was just standing there with his hands on top of his car, feeling sick to his stomach, while having an "OMG, WTF did I just do" moment?  Maybe, at that moment JH decided that "enough is enough" and just came clean with Officer Blue. Of course, it was probably just the Vicodin talking."

So, to clarify, I believe JH absolutely rigged the apt with a defined purpose.  Just not sure what his motivation was for deciding after the shooting to just come clean about the apartment.  "Telling on himself" to "save lives" is a freakishly contradictory action coming from a man that just shot and killed people only moments before, IMO.  I probably was just the Vicodin speaking for him at that point.  

Like you, I am fascinated by human behavior.  Out of all the things that have been revealed so far about JH's actions in this crime the one action of JH telling on himself is the one that perplexes me the most because it runs so counter to his intention to kill people.  I don't need to know why. I just want to know why.
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Freckles on Sun May 10, 2015 9:31 am

CP:
It is interesting to see how information is collected and then the evidence is "developed" leading to opinions regarding factos. I went back to the first link and read some there to see if I could explain where I obtained certain info re certain statements I had posted on this page re the drills, the father testifying, etc.. I do not place complete trust in news' sources or Wiiki or SNOPES;I find myself having to evaluate what it being communicated with the other info revealed. (Snopes may have an edge over RC but it is not much IMO. Mydeathspace.com is a wonderful (and sometimes brutal) site to supplement or verify. )

Here is the link to the first postings on RC of JH:
http://www.realitychatter.com/t4076-james-holmes-shoots-71-kills-12-during-midinight-showing-of-dark-night-rises-at-colorado-movie-theater?highlight=James+++Holmes
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Post by Freckles on Sun May 10, 2015 9:51 am

That's it! In ALL the pics we have seen of JH since the shooting, he appears rather "loopy" or out of it. How could some dump of mashed potatoes manage such an elaborate scheme of shooting and rigging, and when apprehended and since, remain almost in a catatonic stage? What is he drugged on anyway? He can barely function and I blame that on the drugs or the drug damage since the incident.

How could he have progressed thru a BA degree and then moved on to his MA? That is some heavy college especially in his field! (UCR --University of Calif at Riverside--- is predominately a science college with a strong theater division. It is well respected among the science schools. Not a light wt school for science at all.)

I wonder: Could he have volunteered for being a test subject? His MA thesis had something to do with regression to change past events... That was off page 2 or 3 of first thread.
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Post by Freckles on Sun May 10, 2015 9:57 am

REPOST:
http://www.realitychatter.com/t4076p50-james-holmes-shoots-71-kills-12-during-midinight-showing-of-dark-night-rises-at-colorado-movie-theater?highlight=James+++Holmes

Re: James Holmes Shoots 71, Kills 12, During Midinight Showing of 'Dark Night Rises' At Colorado Movie Theater

Post by Bmore on Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:42 am
the link isn't there... Let's see...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/first-video-of-james-holmes-emerges-18-year-old-presenting-at-science-camp/

And if it doesn't work... here...
showing a gangly, 18-year-old Holmes speaking at Miramar College in San Diego. His presentation is on “temporal illusion,“ which he defines as ”an illusion that allows you to change the past.”
He appears slightly nervous speaking to the group but also extremely intelligent.

This is how he was explaining his mentor’s shared interest in fantasy versus reality in the video:

“He also studies subjective experience, which is what takes places inside the mind as opposed to the external world. I’ve carried on his work in dealing with subjective experience.”

He appears slightly nervous speaking to the group but also extremely intelligent.


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I would like to know who the person is carrying on JH's work in this area???

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Post by Freckles on Sun May 10, 2015 10:02 am

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4076p50-james-holmes-shoots-71-kills-12-during-midinight-showing-of-dark-night-rises-at-colorado-movie-theater?highlight=James+++Holmes


From p2:

".....Re: James Holmes Shoots 71, Kills 12, During Midinight Showing of 'Dark Night Rises' At Colorado Movie Theater

Post by Calypso on Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:55 am
Read with a grain of salt. Comments are interesting too.

http://reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/23080

Aurora massacre: Several links between James Holmes and US Gov't research


By Wayne Madsen

Posted: July 23, 2012

WayneMadsenReport.com

WASHINGTON -- James Holmes, the 24-year old suspect in the mass shooting of

Batman "The Dark Knight Rises" movie goers in Aurora, Colorado that left 12 people

dead and 58 injured, has had a number of links to U.S. government-funded research

centers. Holmes's past association with government research projects has prompted

police and federal law enforcement officials to order laboratories and schools with which

Holmes has had a past association not to talk to the press about Holmes.

***SNIPPED~ ...."


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Freckles on Sun May 10, 2015 10:09 am

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4076p100-james-holmes-shoots-71-kills-12-during-midinight-showing-of-dark-night-rises-at-colorado-movie-theater?highlight=James+++Holmes

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".... Re: James Holmes Shoots 71, Kills 12, During Midinight Showing of 'Dark Night Rises' At Colorado Movie Theater

Post by Calypso on Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:32 am
I, for one, am suspicious of the whole thing.

BREAKING NEWS: Proposed UN Arms Trade Treaty Includes Small Arms

http://www.thegunmag.com/breaking-news-proposed-un-arms-trade-treaty-includes-small-arms/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57478483/miller-aurora-shooter-must-have-practiced/

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"Here's an individual who we see kind of lolling in court but who went into that theater, actually shooting and hitting with bullets more than 52 people of the 70 injured," said Miller on "CBS This Morning." "Here's a guy who went in with what we think was about 100 rounds; that gives him a 50 percent hit ratio.

"From law enforcement, when you go on the range and you're shooting at a paper target - it is standing still and waits for you - that's a 90 to 94 percent hit ratio in a lot of places. In combat shooting in the street, police officers often hit in ranges of 21 to 25 percent of their targets."

In addition, Miller said, the shooter was able to maintain that high ratio with three different types of weapons.


Might find this read through interesting:

http://blog.doodooecon.com/2012/07/former-occupy-san-diego-member-attacks.html ..."
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