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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:14 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 6m
A reminder that if #theatershooting jurors find JH insane, they can't find him guilty on even one charge. They can't do both.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:16 pm

The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol · 14m
#theatershooting

Attempt to commit murder in 1st degree also included in some of the wounded's counts.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:31 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman  · 10m 
Judge; JH acknowledges he planned and carried out attack but blames "the delusional beliefs and psychotic thought process." #theatershooting


Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden  · 11m  
Holmes' name may not be read #theatershooting instructions but his alleged desire 2 acquire "human capitol" is. Live: http://link.kdvr.com/1HtoMvA


The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol  · 12m  
#theatershooting

Instructions on legal insanity being read now.


The Gold Patrol® ‏@thegoldpatrol  · 18m  
#theatershooting

Judge explains the voluntary act with a culpable mental state.


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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:39 pm

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 3m
I stand corrected. Though it technically wasn't part of instructions, #theatershooting judge read jury form, which includes Holmes' name.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:50 pm

Larry Ryckman‏@larryryckman · 4m
See a complete list of all 165 of the charges facing the Aurora #theatershooting defendant at http://dpo.st/trialdocs

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Freckles on Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:54 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman  · 6m  
A reminder that if #theatershooting jurors find JH insane, they can't find him guilty on even one charge. They can't do both.


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#theatershooting

There are 600-700 pages of jury instructions. WOW.

Each victim will be mentioned and all the charges of murder, attempted murder, conspiracy to commit murder, etc., will be listed as separate charges for each of the victims. Yes, the list would be massive...
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Freckles on Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:01 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden  · 17m  
Not misprint: A #theatershooting def. mitigation witnesses will be out of country during ptnl. penalty phase researching Monarch Butterflies

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(One of the defense witnesses for the penalty phase (should they have a penalty phase) is doing a research on Monarch Butterflies and might be unavailable to testify. Apparently he knows Holmes since Holmes was a child.)

How appropriate he will not be there to testify... specially since he has known JH so long.Shocked
I wonder how the parents feel about the lack of testimony...
Actually, how predictable.

Why not take the testimony over the phone as they did with the Jodi Arias case? Hmmm????? awe
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Post by Mylife101 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:25 pm

Freckles wrote:http://www.realitychatter.com/t4076p150-james-holmes-shoots-71-kills-12-during-midinight-showing-of-dark-night-rises-at-colorado-movie-theater#168708

BTW, that red hair he supposedly dyed himself? Yeah.
I used to dye my hair in order to hide my grey.
Do you know how many times I chased the drippings on my forehead or the tips of my ears? And I had years and years of practice... monthly.

I do not believe he could have dyed his hair red without the dye dripping on his forehead, ears, neck, etc.. Yet, when I look at the photo, I see no red smears or "freckles" caused by the dye...

He must be a very talented artist....

Hi Freckles,

JH dyed his hair before the end of June 2012.  The manager of his apartment building testified that JH already had the orange hair when he paid his July 2012 rent in the last week of June.  The kind of "dye" that JH used is not the kind of permanent hair dye that one would use to change the color of their hair or to hide their grey.  The hair dye that JH used is a thick product that more or less attaches itself to the hair strand as opposed to really penetrating the hair strand and permanently altering the color.  The type of hair dye that JH used leaves the hair strands with a thick, rough, unnatural texture. Take a look at the texture of the girl's hair in the photo below.



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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Freckles on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:14 pm

Mylife
We hashed this over a time back....I just don't buy into it... You are telling me this is like the old Nestle color spray product? One time and wash out? While that may be true of the product, it is apparent from all the earlier pics ( taken after the arrest) the hair appears to NOT have been washed out in one showering... unless he showered without getting his hair wet.... winks
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:19 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman  · 8m  
King playing clips of Reid repeatedly urging JH to "speculate." #theatershooting

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:24 pm

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden  · 2h
DA says "Veronica Moser-Sullivan, forever our kindergartner", plays #TheaterShooting 911 call w/ gunshots, ends w/ "Pic is her/sound is him"


Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden  · 2h
#TheaterShooting DA-> John Larimer "was 1 of the people killed when the defendant was sane." Almost subliminal. Live: http://link.kdvr.com/1HtoMvA


Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman  · 4h  
Brauchler is stressing that it's not enough to be schizophrenic. That's not insanity under the law. #theatershooting


Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 5h
Citing cases, #TheaterShooting Judge won't allow DA's red underlining on slides, will allow "kill suit" phrase. Live http://link.kdvr.com/1HtoMvA


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:33 pm

Rick Sallinger ‏@ricksallinger  · 2m  
#theatershooting defense concludes telling jurors "find Homes insane". Prosecution rebuttal next.


Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden  · 3m  
#TheaterShooting court will take 15 min break then end w/ @GeorgeBrauchler's rebuttal. He has 25 minutes. Watch live: http://link.kdvr.com/1HtoMvA


Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 5m
"... was in the throes of a psychotic episode." King finishes argument, judge gives jurors a 15-20 minute break. #theatershooting


Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 6m
#TheaterShooting Defense Attorney Dan King ends his closing by telling the jury "Do the right thing. He's not guilty by reason of insanity."


Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 7m
Defense to Jury: "Acknowledge the overwhelming evidence that Holmes was in throes of psychotic illness at time of #theatershooting."


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:43 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 5m
Brauchler is up next. He will have 25 minutes. Court will go well past 6. Jurors will begin deliberating tomorrow morning. #theatershooting

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:45 pm

Freckles wrote:Mylife
We hashed this over a time back....I just don't buy into it... You are telling me this is like the old Nestle color spray product? One time and wash out? While that may be true of the product, it is apparent from all the earlier pics ( taken after the arrest) the hair appears to NOT have been washed out in one showering... unless he showered without getting his hair wet.... winks

Hi Freckles,

It is called "semi-permanent" hair color. According to the product listing on Amazon.com, the semi-permanent hair coloring "lasts 3-6 weeks on most hair" and there are "20 delicious semi-permanent colors".

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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:25 pm

^^^ The color might be semi-permanent but in order to obtain the orange hue shown in Holmes' pictures, the hair has to be bleached first, then the Nepalm Orange colour is applied to the hair. It is quite a process.





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1st- SFX Napalm Orange over bleached hair, right after dying.
2nd - SFX Napalm Orange over bleached hair, a week after dying.
3rd - SFX Napalm Orange over bleached hair, two weeks after dying


From Becky's Beauty Hut, Emporium, Pa.- Hair Dyes used: Napalm Orange


Napalm Orange on 40 vol bleached hair.

Madisson- Hair dyes used: special Effects Napalam Orange


The color I used was Special Effects Napalm Orange in the bangs. I had originally bleached the hair to a medium blonde color. My natural hair color is dark brown so it took a lot of lightening. I usually go 4 weeks before I redye the color.
The first photo is the day after I colored it. You can see that it almost came out as a redish orange.
The second photo was after roughly 2 weeks since I last colored the orange.
The last photo was three weeks of fading.


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:32 pm



James Holmes Trial - Day 49 - Part 1 (Jury Instructions)

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:39 pm



James Holmes Trial - Day 49 - Part 2

Published on Jul 14, 2015




James Holmes Trial - Day 49 - Part 3 (Prosecution Closing)

Published on Jul 14, 2015




James Holmes Trial - Day 49 - Part 4 (Defense Closing)

Published on Jul 14, 2015


Source: Croaker Queen - YouTube
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:47 pm

KDVR FOX31 Denver ‏@KDVR · 6m
#TheaterShooting case in jury's hands as of 9 AM Wed. We'll carry the verdict live here: http://kdvr.com/tag/theater-trial-live/ …

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:28 pm

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 1h
The 12 deliberating #theatershooting jurors: 640, 17, 329, 535, 87, 118, 378, 155, 527, 737, 557, 311. More on them: http://kdvr.com/aurora-theater-trial-jury/ …

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:30 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 1h
The jury is 9 women, three men. #theatershooting

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:31 pm

Larry Ryckman ‏@larryryckman · 1h
Brauchler says the evidence and 2 state-ordered psychiatrists say the same thing: "Sane, sane, sane. Guilty. Thank you." #theatershooting

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Mylife101 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:32 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:^^^ The color might be semi-permanent but in order to obtain the orange hue shown in Holmes' pictures, the hair has to be bleached first, then the Nepalm Orange colour is applied to the hair. It is quite a process.





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Special Effects Napalm Orange Hair Dye Gallery!


1st- SFX Napalm Orange over bleached hair, right after dying.
2nd - SFX Napalm Orange over bleached hair, a week after dying.
3rd - SFX Napalm Orange over bleached hair, two weeks after dying


From Becky's Beauty Hut, Emporium, Pa.- Hair Dyes used: Napalm Orange


Napalm Orange on 40 vol bleached hair.

Madisson- Hair dyes used: special Effects Napalam Orange


The color I used was Special Effects Napalm Orange in the bangs. I had originally bleached the hair to a medium blonde color. My natural hair color is dark brown so it took a lot of lightening. I usually go 4 weeks before I redye the color.
The first photo is the day after I colored it. You can see that it almost came out as a redish orange.
The second photo was after roughly 2 weeks since I last colored the orange.
The last photo was three weeks of fading.


More ...

http://www.funkyshop.com/specialeffectshairdyenapalmorange.htm

Oh, wow! So, the hair needs to be bleached first. No wonder the hair texture ends up looking the way it does. That is a bit of work I suppose.

Great link, AD.
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Post by Mylife101 on Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:39 pm

Okay, we have now seen and heard all of the evidence for both sides.

What did you think of the closing arguments?   Cool

I think that Brauchler did a great job on the prosecution's closing argument. I also think that King did a very good job with what little he had to work with.

I would find JH to be sane and guilty if I were a deliberating juror. How about the rest of you?
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Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:47 pm



James Holmes Trial - Day 49 - Part 5 (Rebuttal)

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:55 pm

Dr. Max Wachtel ‏@mwachtel · 27m
Defense poked some holes in prosecution's expert testimony during #TheaterTrial close. Not sure why he didnt do it earlier. #theatershooting

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:27 pm

The Profiles Of The 12 Jurors Who Will Deliberate The Theater Shooting Case

July 14, 2015 7:00 PM

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The following are the profiles of the 12 jurors who will decide the fate of defendant James Holmes’ life:

– #640: White woman in 40s who has a son who is bipolar.
– #17: Middle aged white woman, attorney, said she doesn’t believe in “not guilty by reason of insanity.”
– #329: White woman in her 30s and a former victim’s advocate.
– #535: Middle aged white woman who suffers from depression. Her niece was at the Columbine shooting. She was also married to a police officer.
– #7: Middle aged white woman who believes in “eye for eye.” She suffered from depression.
– #118: Older white woman with son with PTSD. She’s a physicist who has worked with explosives.
– #378: White woman in 50s who was a paramedic for 20 years. She believes in treating patients with mental illness with respect.
– #155: White male who believes mental illness is real.
– #527: White male who is a store manager.
– #737: White male Columbine survivor early his early 30s. His first reaction to getting the jury summons was, ‘I can’t do this.’ He went through 10 years of therapy.
– #557: Hispanic woman in 30s or 40s who says mental illness is not an excuse.
– #311: Middle aged white woman who says she believes in the death penalty but believes one death is bad enough. She has been on a jury before.

The alternates must still be at the courthouse while the other jurors deliberate for however long it takes to come to a decision.

Read more:

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Bmore on Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:57 am

Hi Guys...

I'm finally back on, my work computer blocked me right after Travis then I got an email about Cassidy Goodman because I had it set up to monitor and you all posted her plea deal and when I clicked the link I was able to get back in!!! I haven't really been following this case but as far as the hair goes my one daughter has been every color of the rainbow for the last 4+ years and for it to turn out vibrant you need to lighten your hair. You can go into any Sally's or Hot Topic and buy the bleaching kit and Manic Panic dye... And it says demi-permanent but it doesn't come out unless you dye over it or bleach it out again... It'll fade but that's about it... He could of done his hair in about 2 hours, depending on how fast his hair lifted...
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Post by Freckles on Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:31 am

Bmore wrote:Hi Guys...

I'm finally back on, my work computer blocked me right after Travis then I got an email about Cassidy Goodman because I had it set up to monitor and you all posted her plea deal and when I clicked the link I was able to get back in!!!  I haven't really been following this case but as far as the hair goes my one daughter has been every color of the rainbow for the last 4+ years and for it to turn out vibrant you need to lighten your hair.  You can go into any Sally's or Hot Topic and buy the bleaching kit and Manic Panic dye...  And it says demi-permanent but it doesn't come out unless you dye over it or bleach it out again...  It'll fade but that's about it...  He could of done his hair in about 2 hours, depending on how fast his hair lifted...

Welcome home! Glad to see you....

My question was not so much IF it could be done or how it was done but if he did it or if an amateur did it.
Essentially, could he have done it by himself and not have had drippings or smears along ears, hair line, etc
I often ended up with the tops of my ears stained or a stain on the face near hair line when I tried to catch a wayward drip.
(Yes, I had trouble coloring in the lines in grade school.... Embarassed )
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Post by Bmore on Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:39 am

The thing with the manic panic type dyes is that they are vegetable dyes and don't stain the skin really... A little dishsoap on a paper towel and you're pretty much good to go... And like mentioned before his looks faded so any skin staining would have been long gone...
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Post by Freckles on Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:52 am

Mylife101 wrote:Okay, we have now seen and heard all of the evidence for both sides.

What did you think of the closing arguments?   Cool

I think that Brauchler did a great job on the prosecution's closing argument. I also think that King did a very good job with what little he had to work with.

I would find JH to be sane and guilty if I were a deliberating juror. How about the rest of you?

I need to review some of the tapes before I could state how he should be found.
I am disappointed in both the defense and the prosecution for "sloppy" forensics;
it seems more an emotional and PC presentation by the state with a terribly weak defense.

As an example:
What evidence was collected on the bloody shoe prints on the walkway behind the theater (seen in vid and pics) ?
Since the prints do NOT lead to the car JH was associated with, whose were they?
What size? What size shoes did JH wear? What brand? (Brand is specific by tread as registered trademark and used by FBI. See: Nicole Brown Simpson murder and OJ...)

The first of several reports to 911 mention two or more shooters.
I do not feel this has been properly addressed.
One person stated and individual rec a phone call and went to the back door of the theater.
Do we have forensics on the cell phone for JH?
Did he have a cell phone with him?
Where did the call originate from on his cell phone?


IMO, there are way too many unanswered questions. Why did the prosecution/LE not pursue the case more diligently?
I do think JH had some knowledge  of the events but I am not convinced he did this, did it alone, did it on his on volition.
Look to his education and his thesis.
(BTW, why weren't more witnesses called on his behalf? Teachers ???They surely had opinions on his presentations, performances, attendance, etc.,)
I do believe, outside of the drugged moments, he IS sane and was sane when it happened.
I only question if he acted alone and on his own volition.

This case has played to the media.
It will be found to be in agreement with what is PCkPC; swept under the rug so we all can "move on"...
but we never "move on"....Improbable and impossible. Perhaps, what we are asking is for someone to move it off the front page of media as we are getting bored with it? Our minds are made up and we don't want to hear anything that might upset our formed opinions?
As in the case of William Heirens (Chicago, 1946, Lipstick Killer) I do not believe truth  was needed as long as the outcry for a perp was met.

Our attention span lacks. We want answers and resolution and to move on. To celebrate we were in the "popular opinion" group.
Do we really want the truth? What about all the personal agendas?
"You can't handle the truth!"
For that, we need to be accountable.


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Post by Freckles on Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:53 am

Bmore wrote:The thing with the manic panic type dyes is that they are vegetable dyes and don't stain the skin really...  A little dishsoap on a paper towel and you're pretty much good to go...  And like mentioned before his looks faded so any skin staining would have been long gone...
Is this not the same as what we use for Easter eggs?
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Post by Bmore on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:08 pm

no... it's think goopy stuff. It makes your hair really soft but as it goes away the dryness from the bleaching chemicals comes through... My daughter doesn't go pastel anymore, she has mousey brown hair and does the deeper colors like now she's like a teal / forest green mix so it'll always be soft... Color stylist say it's from the devil because it's hard to get out...
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Post by Weeziethm on Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:41 pm

Bmore wrote:Hi Guys...

I'm finally back on, my work computer blocked me right after Travis then I got an email about Cassidy Goodman because I had it set up to monitor and you all posted her plea deal and when I clicked the link I was able to get back in!!!  I haven't really been following this case but as far as the hair goes my one daughter has been every color of the rainbow for the last 4+ years and for it to turn out vibrant you need to lighten your hair.  You can go into any Sally's or Hot Topic and buy the bleaching kit and Manic Panic dye...  And it says demi-permanent but it doesn't come out unless you dye over it or bleach it out again...  It'll fade but that's about it...  He could of done his hair in about 2 hours, depending on how fast his hair lifted...

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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Bmore on Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:12 pm

Hi... I'm so out of the loop on these cases... Caylee and Travis really struck me so I followed them but being cut off from anyone to discuss them with I haven't really followed any... Glad to be back...
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Freckles on Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:10 pm

Bmore wrote:Hi...  I'm so out of the loop on these cases...  Caylee and Travis really struck me so I followed them but being cut off from anyone to discuss them with I haven't really followed any...  Glad to be back...

On profile, I set it up for notificTIONS TO MY EMAIL ACCOUNT ANYTIME SOMEONE POSTS.
(dANG! I hate this lap top!! Too much to go back and edit so I am leaving it...)
Anyway... I always leave one of the notifications in my in basket on email so I have it as kind of a back door entry back to RC...
at one time, I was having trouble with my book marks, etc., and it came in handy....

Just an idea.

Haven't seen too much of Weezie... Good to see her posting! Cool
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by One Wonders on Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:36 pm

Mylife101 wrote:Okay, we have now seen and heard all of the evidence for both sides.

What did you think of the closing arguments?   Cool

I think that Brauchler did a great job on the prosecution's closing argument. I also think that King did a very good job with what little he had to work with.

I would find JH to be sane and guilty if I were a deliberating juror. How about the rest of you?

My own personal opinion is the Prosecution did a great closing. The defense not so much. However, I think if the jury finds him Guilty, Not Insane I think the defense will (notice I say THINK) put on a much better case to keep him alive.

I find him GUILTY to the nth degree. He was SANE before, during and after no question in my mind what-so-ever.
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by One Wonders on Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:13 pm

Freckles wrote:
Mylife101 wrote:Okay, we have now seen and heard all of the evidence for both sides.

What did you think of the closing arguments?   Cool


I think that Brauchler did a great job on the prosecution's closing argument. I also think that King did a very good job with what little he had to work with.

I would find JH to be sane and guilty if I were a deliberating juror. How about the rest of you?

My Replies In Red Under Yours.
I need to review some of the tapes before I could state how he should be found.
I am disappointed in both the defense and the prosecution for "sloppy" forensics;
it seems more an emotional and PC presentation by the state with a terribly weak defense.
I personally don't see "sloppy forensics".

As an example:
What evidence was collected on the bloody shoe prints on the walkway behind the theater (seen in vid and pics) ?
Since the prints do NOT lead to the car JH was associated with, whose were they?
Victims.
What size? What size shoes did JH wear? What brand? (Brand is specific by tread as registered trademark and used by FBI. See: Nicole Brown Simpson murder and OJ...)
My guess is that the prints were matched with the victims shoes or feet, but wasn't needed as proof that James Holmes committed this crime.

The first of several reports to 911 mention two or more shooters.
I do not feel this has been properly addressed.
I'm satisfied that it has been properly put to bed. JH failed to recruit Gargi and Ben and gave up on recruiting anyone else cuz Gargi and Ben told him he needs to talk to someone about his killing people and if I recall correctly his reply was that he was talking to someone, imo it was Dr Fenton.
One person stated and individual rec a phone call and went to the back door of the theater.
Do we have forensics on the cell phone for JH?
Did he have a cell phone with him?
Where did the call originate from on his cell phone?
The cell phone he had to dupe the theater goers was the Cell Phone Stun Gun he brought and payed for.


IMO, there are way too many unanswered questions. Why did the prosecution/LE not pursue the case more diligently?
I do think JH had some knowledge  of the events but I am not convinced he did this, did it alone, did it on his on volition.
Look to his education and his thesis.
All I can say about this is that YES, James Holmes is the one and only murderer in this case. As I said above his recruitment of Gargi and Ben failed, furthermore nowhere in his writings does he discuss anyone else to help him out.
(BTW, why weren't more witnesses called on his behalf? Teachers ???They surely had opinions on his presentations, performances, attendance, etc.,)
I believe this will happen when the defense begs for his life in the penalty phase if we get that far.
I do believe, outside of the drugged moments, he IS sane and was sane when it happened.
I agree that he has never ever been INSANE and is still SANE to this day.
I only question if he acted alone and on his own volition.
When we look at the forensic evidence it points directly to him and no other person. ALL of the evidence collected at the scene and his home (that failed to explode) was his and his alone. We saw tapes of some of the purchases HE made, we saw receipts in HIS name, we saw credit card statements of HIS purchases.  Every piece of death garb, every weapon, every bullet was his and his alone.

This case has played to the media.
It will be found to be in agreement with what is PCkPC; swept under the rug so we all can "move on"...
but we never "move on"....Improbable and impossible. Perhaps, what we are asking is for someone to move it off the front page of media as we are getting bored with it? Our minds are made up and we don't want to hear anything that might upset our formed opinions?
As in the case of William Heirens (Chicago, 1946, Lipstick Killer) I do not believe truth  was needed as long as the outcry for a perp was met.
In my personal opinion I have rarely seen blurps of this trial on the big news channels. I have solely watched it on my computer every day.

Our attention span lacks. We want answers and resolution and to move on. To celebrate we were in the "popular opinion" group.
Do we really want the truth? What about all the personal agendas?
"You can't handle the truth!"
For that, we need to be accountable.
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:12 pm

Theater Shooting Jury Has Questions During First Hours Of Deliberation

July 15, 2015 12:26 PM

CENTENNIAL, Colo. (CBS4)– The jury in the Aurora theater shooting trial had at least two questions for the judge in the first hours of deliberation on Wednesday.

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The first question from jurors had to do with the hours they will work and materials needed for examination of evidence during deliberation.

Judge Carlos Samour read the request from the jury in court where the gunman, his lawyers and the prosecution team gathered.

“On the top it says hours of jury 8:15 to 4:30 so those are apparently the hours they are going to be speaking and it says we request a white board and it’s signed by the foreperson,” said Samour.


The second question was if there was a guide to all the evidence but the answer was no.

An alternate juror also asked if there would be access to a fax machine during deliberations so that he/she could go work while waiting for the jury to reach a verdict. The judge allowed access to the fax machine.

Samour said every time the jury poses a question he will reconvene those players inside the courtroom so that all parties have the opportunity to hear and respond to what the jury is asking and/or requesting.

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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/15/theater-shooting-jury-has-questions-during-first-hours-of-deliberation/
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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:20 pm

Holmes’ attorney says he could’ve done more to keep convict off death row in other case (Video)

Posted 6:33 pm, October 24, 2014, by David Mitchell and Dave Young

DENVER — The lawyer who defended Sir Mario Owens says he could’ve done more to keep him off death row in Colorado.

The same lawyer is now the lead attorney for James Holmes, who is also facing the death penalty.

Dan King’s surprising testimony took place Friday.


Owens is on death row and out of legal appeals. He was convicted, along with Robert Ray, for the double murders of Javad Marshal Fields and Fields’ fiancee Vivian Wolfe in 2005.

Owens public defenders are now trying to convince a judge the convict had inadequate defense counsel at his original trial.

Owens’ lead attorney in 2008 was Dan King, chief trial deputy for the state public defenders’ office. “Dan King is looking back on his trial and he’s saying ‘yes, I made mistakes,'” says criminal defense attorney David Beller.

King is lead attorney for Aurora Theater shooting suspect James Holmes.

King testified Friday that he was not properly qualified to defend Owens, blaming mistakes in judgment, strategy and lack of experience.

Read more:

http://kdvr.com/2014/10/24/holmes-attorney-says-he-couldve-done-more-to-keep-convict-off-death-row-in-other-case/


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:25 pm

Dr. Max Wachtel ‏@mwachtel · 2h
CJD 12-03 sets the maximum expert fee for most sanity evals in Colorado at $1500. Dr. Reid's: over $400,000. #theatertrial #theatershooting


Dr. Max Wachtel ‏@mwachtel · 8h
#TheaterTrial jurors have 659 pages of verdict forms to complete. It could happen, but they're unlikely to finish today. #theatershooting


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Re: James Holmes: Colorado Theater Murder Trial

Post by Alessandra_Deux on Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:17 pm

Jason Sickles ‏@jasonsickles · 1h
No verdict today in the Colo. #theatershooting trial. Day 2 of deliberations scheduled for 8:15 a.m. MT tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/theatershooting?src=hash

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